New Disney titles for 2012 (Rescuers Aristocats Pocahontas etc.) !

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by EricJ

BUT--as Disney found out when they tried to market it, and establish Roger as the new corporate character-icon of New Meets Old--it wasn't Disney, or even Touchstone. It was Amblin'.

(Spielberg only needed Disney's blessing for the distribution and character rights.
You recall, it wasn't even Disney animation, but Richard Williams, and if that sounds like I'm saying that contemptuously, it's because I'm watching "Thief & the Cobbler" on Netflix even now.

Tests for Who Framed Roger Rabbit stretch back to at least 1985, long before Zemeckis and Spielberg were involved. They showed experimental pencil tests for the film on the Disney Channel - maybe the "Disney Family Album" series, I'm not sure, don't have it and don't remember - with a Veronica Lake-style Jessica Rabbit shmoozing a stand-in for Eddie at a nightclub. Roger Rabbit was a project inherited by Eisner and Katzenberg, and Katzenberg was intrigued by it, and Spielberg being a fairly unequivocating Walt Disney fan bit on the pitch, and soon Zemeckis became involved. Someone really needs to write a book about the making of that film, because it could have gone so terribly wrong, and it could have been the Heaven's Gate of Disney animation. It truly was an all-or-nothing gamble worthy of Walt in the 30's and 50's.

When you say "it wasn't even Disney animation", animation houses all over the world were hauled in to try to get that film finished on time - I remember some comments in the press stating that Roger Rabbit contained one of the longest credit sequences in the history of films and yet *still* left out hundereds of people. Disney's James Baxter (Mermaid, Rescuers Down Under, Hunchback) and Phil Nibbelink (The Black Cauldron, Mouse Detective) are in the animation credits. Disney owned the property, they produced the movie with Spielberg, it was going to be under the banner of Walt Disney Pictures until Eisner or Katzenberg decided weks before release that releasing it under the Disney brand would hurt the film at the box office, and so they went with Touchstone at the last minute. It's a Disney film with a British animation director and an international team of animators. It wasn't in-house because it couldn't be done in-house.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by BobbyB

No doubt. I think Little Mermaid unequivocally began Disney's return to animation greatness in the late 80's. It was very well received, a big success for the studio, and kicked off a string of unabashed hits with Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin and the Lion King.

And while I absolutely love Who Framed Roger Rabbit, it was an Amblin' release first and foremost and had animated characters from many studios besides Disney (WB, Betty Boop, MGM, etc.)

Need any further evidence? You might find scant traces of Roger & Jessica Rabbit hidden in obscurity in Disney World while Ariel has her own grotto and is preparing to debut an entire castle and ride in Fantasy Land at Magic Kingdom.

Forget that whole ToonTown land at Disneyland and Roger Rabbit's CarToon spin. Ariel has a ride, Roger Rabbit has an entire section of Disneyland.

Seriously, though, Michael Eisner pissed off Steven Spielberg something fierce, and that's why you haven't seen them exploit the characters since 1994 or so.

[PuppyJonathan]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Forget that whole ToonTown land at Disneyland and Roger Rabbit's CarToon spin. Ariel has a ride, Roger Rabbit has an entire section of Disneyland.

Seriously, though, Michael Eisner pissed off Steven Spielberg something fierce, and that's why you haven't seen them exploit the characters since 1994 or so.

Micheal Eisner pissed anyone off

[zoodermin]

I think that it is said that The Little Mermaid began the Disney animation Renaissance because it was the first full-fledged animated film that had a big box office success and a lot of positive reception and accolades in quite some time. For Walt Disney Animation Studios, which at the time was struggling to remain relevant it was a vote of confidence that led to the creation of other successful animated films that were met with the same or even higher approval and higher box office receipts.

This however does not imply that TLM did this single-handedly, as stated in many posts the influence that Roger Rabbit had in this process is huge. Aside from being a great film, it put animation back on the map and was very successful both critically and commercially. The main reason this film is sometimes overlooked is due to the fact that it's not entirely animated but a hybrid between animation and live-action so technically and is not considered an "animated" film and that's why Mermaid looks like the pioneer of the Renaissance. Also, is shameful that Disney has let Roger Rabbit go into obscurity in recent years and I hope a BD release isn't far away.

[disneyfreak]

Originally Posted by xmjonny

Does anyone know if Cinderella is having a Best Buy steelbook release?

Its very possible, but at this time no one really can answer whether or not we will be getting one until upcoming weeks, usually around end of july or august they will tell you that you can pick it up september.

[Monterey Jack]

I think Little Mermaid is significant less for its box office take than for single-handedly creating the "Disney Princess" merchandising empire. All of the "flop" Disney films from the late 00's and early teens lacked marketable DP's. But Princess & The Frog and Tangled brought the cash cow back (even if the former was only a moderate financial success in theaters).

[I-C-Blue]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

ANYONE WHO WANTS PINOCCHIO AND DOESN'T WANT THE 1 DISC EDITION THAT WILL COME OUT IN THE UK, BUY THE FRENCH VERSION INSTEAD WHILE SUPPLIES LAST!!



You're on the web man, use it!!
Pinocchio is not part of the Diamond line anymore so it's getting re-released (in a 1 disc edition). look above for the 2-disc edition
Fantasia/2000 are not that hard to find

Dang it am I missing anything good from the second disc? I might just shoot for this anyway, essentially for the movie. Why is this getting re-released?

As for Fantasia - unless they listed it wrong, I noticed it isn't region-free

[14731779]

I read somewhere i think it was gere somebody tell that he/she was going to copy an dvd audio and put in the blu ray disc, is it possible? If it is how do you do it? And can you do the same with subtitles?

[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by I-C-Blue

Dang it am I missing anything good from the second disc? I might just shoot for this anyway, essentially for the movie. Why is this getting re-released?

As for Fantasia - unless they listed it wrong, I noticed it isn't region-free

Pinocchio is probably not region free either. I can check if Fantasia is region free myself (the database says it is)

Originally Posted by 14731779

I read somewhere i think it was gere somebody tell that he/she was going to copy an dvd audio and put in the blu ray disc, is it possible? If it is how do you do it? And can you do the same with subtitles?

You need PC software and a Blu-ray drive. You rip both on your pc and do some tinkering subtitles are time consuming to get from a DVD, you're better off adding new ones from the internet.

[14731779]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

Pinocchio is probably not region free either. I can check if Fantasia is region free myself (the database says it is)



You need PC software and a Blu-ray drive. You rip both on your pc and do some tinkering subtitles are time consuming to get from a DVD, you're better off adding new ones from the internet.

Thanks can u advise me a software and a link with its instructions, because im pretty lame with new sofrware

[Flanger-Hanger]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Roger Rabbit has an entire section of Disneyland.

Cloned for Tokyo, too.

I'm not going to multi-quote here, as that will take forever, but Ernest you've made my day(s) with this thread, well done.

You seem to have the same problem as me when it comes to Disney's myth building around their "renassiance" that ignores any and all technical, artistic, box office and critical acclaim (and struggles, yes) the films they made got prior to Mermaid (and RDU because it undermines the "string of box office success" narrative). The true story is much more fascinating and enlightening.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Flanger-Hanger

You seem to have the same problem as me when it comes to Disney's myth building around their "renassiance" that ignores any and all technical, artistic, box office and critical acclaim (and sturggles, yes) the films they made got prior to Mermaid (and RDU because it undermines the "string of box office success" narrative). The true story is much more fascinating and enlightening.

I go with the more "Waking Sleeping Beauty"-friendly idea that The Renaissance began with Great Mouse Detective getting the new kids going (the use of new directors, not the CGI clock chase) after the Black Cauldron shakeup--
And that Roger Rabbit was more of an Alice-like 80's cultural anomaly that tapped into a few wishful buttons of a lot of baby-boomers who were just now admitting that they remembered Tex Avery toons--and not much else--now that they were showing up on the birth of cable, and remembered the movie-cameo versions as being a lot more faithful to the original than they were.
Some say "Without Roger, there would have been no Disney Renaissance", I say "Without Roger, there would have been no Tiny Toons Adventures."

(And if I seem excessively unsentimental towards the Loudest Movie Ever Made, don't worry, I didn't like it back then, either. )

[yumny]

Originally Posted by EricJ

I go with the more "Waking Sleeping Beauty"-friendly idea that The Renaissance began with Great Mouse Detective getting the new kids going (the use of new directors, not the CGI clock chase) after the Black Cauldron shakeup--
And that Roger Rabbit was more of an Alice-like 80's cultural anomaly that tapped into a few wishful buttons of a lot of baby-boomers who were just now admitting that they remembered Tex Avery toons--and not much else--now that they were showing up on the birth of cable, and remembered the movie-cameo versions as being a lot more faithful to the original than they were.
Some say "Without Roger, there would have been no Disney Renaissance", I say "Without Roger, there would have been no Tiny Toons Adventures."

(And if I seem excessively unsentimental towards the Loudest Movie Ever Made, don't worry, I didn't like it back then, either. )

You're not alone, I've never liked WFRR. I was surprised to find out people actually really enjoyed it and thought it was great. I found it to be rather campy, at some times hard on my attention span and generally.. just meh. That shoe scene will traumatize me for the REST OF MY LIFE by the way.

[Lnds500]

Secret of the Wings Trailer - YouTube

Final scene. it says "Disney HD Digital". I guess this has something to do with Disney All Movie Access

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Flanger-Hanger

Cloned for Tokyo, too.

I'm not going to multi-quote here, as that will take forever, but Ernest you've made my day(s) with this thread, well done.

You seem to have the same problem as me when it comes to Disney's myth building around their "renassiance" that ignores any and all technical, artistic, box office and critical acclaim (and struggles, yes) the films they made got prior to Mermaid (and RDU because it undermines the "string of box office success" narrative). The true story is much more fascinating and enlightening.

I've softened a bit on Disney's PR - they're a publically-traded company, they do what they have to do to bring in a return. It used to drive me a little wonky to hear Disney advertise, say, Beauty and the Beast as "the most acclaimed animated film of all time" (it isn't, that's Snow White by a good country mile), or see posters of The Lion King with the slogan "the greatest animated film of all time", which is so subjectively hyperbolic, it's ultimately meaningless, other than it suggests the company seems to think it's their "greatest" film (and if so, that's kind of sad, but what are you going to do...*shrug*).

My problems arise when I'm faced with people who actually believe those ad lines.

Eric raises a point stating that he believes the 2nd Golden Age started with Mouse Detective...my problem with that is that even when Mouse Detective premiered in the summer of 1986, I felt like I was watching something that was clearly created on the thinnest of shoe-strings. Every possible shortcut they could use to save money, they used, and it shows. It wasn't poorly received, and I continue to have some affection for it, but An American Tail, released in the Fall of 1986, trounced Mouse Detective and had sizable and lasting cultural impact to boot. It was An American Tail and it's home video success that motivated Disney to re-invest in animation. Mouse Detective illustrates a disinterested governance with no faith in the animation unit, not the start of grand things to come. That's my take on the matter, at any rate.

[PuppyJonathan]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

Secret of the Wings Trailer - YouTube


Final scene. it says "Disney HD Digital". I guess this has something to do with Disney All Movie Access

It means HD Digital Download for digital copies, nothing new, sorry

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Eric raises a point stating that he believes the 2nd Golden Age started with Mouse Detective...my problem with that is that even when Mouse Detective premiered in the summer of 1986, I felt like I was watching something that was clearly created on the thinnest of shoe-strings. Every possible shortcut they could use to save money, they used, and it shows. It wasn't poorly received, and I continue to have some affection for it, but An American Tail, released in the Fall of 1986, trounced Mouse Detective and had sizable and lasting cultural impact to boot. It was An American Tail and it's home video success that motivated Disney to re-invest in animation. Mouse Detective illustrates a disinterested governance with no faith in the animation unit, not the start of grand things to come. That's my take on the matter, at any rate.

Yeah, but have to remember the 80's. You know, back when we thought Cauldron "got what Disney deserved", unquote, we thought the NIMH director should "take over the studio", and praised Land Before Time to the skies to prove it?
(I remember American Tail being a jawdropping and tastelessly Bluth-cloying clog-dance on my otherwise fond memories of Secret of NIMH--And that a lot of the attention it got, like Mermaid->Beauty/Beast, Aladdin->Lion King or Spirited->Howl's, may have just been delayed audience reaction from a public that wanted to make up double-time for not fawning over the first one enough when they had the chance.
I can only ASK you to picture my expression at first seeing the today-unfilmable "No Cats in America" number after wondering what Bluth would follow NIMH with... doesn't quite cover it, and might be interpreted as a compliment. More like, um...does anyone have a shot of the audience's faces from "The Producers" after the Springtime for Hitler number?)

Detective was the first of the studio's new string of ramping up the studio to deliver a movie a year, so it didn't have the time and attention lavished on it that Fox/Hound or Cauldron had. Let's just say, though, it also had a few things those two didn't (like "energy", maybe, or "actual emotional investment in the characters"), and that's what counted toward the future.
They just needed a bit more practice to refine things a little, and some money to spend it on. Roger filled the war chests, and Spielberg took back his half, but that was just a charity benefit.

Originally Posted by yumny

You're not alone, I've never liked WFRR.
That shoe scene will traumatize me for the REST OF MY LIFE by the way.

(Okay, I remember the "Badly-remembered 80's-era Tex Avery homage" Toontown scene, I remember Chris Lloyd shrieking at the top of his lungs, and I remember a dozen instances of Roger, the Taxi, and just about every other animated character screaming into our audience personal-spaces every alternate scene, but I don't recall any "shoe" scene that counted as disturbing....Should I ask for a memory jogger, or would I be better off not? )

[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by PuppyJonathan

It means HD Digital Download for digital copies, nothing new, sorry

Digital copies are not HD and with Disney All Access probably launching very soon, who knows.. I certainly haven't seen that symbol before

[yumny]

Originally Posted by EricJ

(Okay, I remember the "Badly-remembered 80's-era Tex Avery homage" Toontown scene, I remember Chris Lloyd shrieking at the top of his lungs, and I remember a dozen instances of Roger, the Taxi, and just about every other animated character screaming into our audience personal-spaces every alternate scene, but I don't recall any "shoe" scene that counted as disturbing....Should I ask for a memory jogger, or would I be better off not? )

There is a very disturbing shoe scene in the movie. I'd YouTube link it, but it's rather easily found if you go there yourself.

Here's what happens:

[Show spoiler]Judge Doom decides to demonstrate his newest invention, some kind of liquid that evaporates (is that the right word? Anyway, you dip it in and it melts away thus dies) any Toon. He then continues to pick up a very cute animated shoe with eyes and DIP IT INTO THAT STUFF. He MURDERS A CUTE LOOKING ANIMATED SHOE ON SCREEN. I almost cried watching it but to my credit, I was a lot younger. Nevertheless it still haunts me to this day that that innocent cute shoe was BURNED TO DEATH.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by yumny

There is a very disturbing shoe scene in the movie. I'd YouTube link it, but it's rather easily found if you go there yourself.

Here's what happens:

[Show spoiler]Judge Doom decides to demonstrate his newest invention, some kind of liquid that evaporates (is that the right word? Anyway, you dip it in and it melts away thus dies) any Toon. He then continues to pick up a very cute animated shoe with eyes and DIP IT INTO THAT STUFF. He MURDERS A CUTE LOOKING ANIMATED SHOE ON SCREEN. I almost cried watching it but to my credit, I was a lot younger. Nevertheless it still haunts me to this day that that innocent cute shoe was BURNED TO DEATH.

It's an in-joke. Cels were recycled by washing off the paint. Hence, in Roger Rabbit, the only way to kill an animated character was to "wash it" with chemicals. It also establishes the stakes of the Super Evil Chinatown-esque Land Grab Plot.