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[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by disneyfreak

Heres the thing, no country has actually said that they are dropping Pinocchio or any other title from the Diamond Edition line. Disney has released movies in other countrys while movies aren't available in the US. That doesn't mean its been dropped. EX: Aladdin, Cinderella, and Pinocchio. Just b/c these movies were released doesn't mean they were dropped. In all honesty, I'm not convinced any movies have been dropped until Disney says they dropped them from the line.

Germany was the first to confirm that 101 Dalmatians and Pinocchio have been dropped from the Diamond list waay back and oh, look what's happening now.

I really don't get why it's so hard to believe. Sure some people are in denial and think they're special in some way, but Disney has dropped Fantasia(!!!!) from the Diamond line and they are releasing the rest as fast as the can. Are we that arrogant that we refuse to believe that after Fantasia there is a tiny possibility that other titles would/could be dropped as well - even while they are being released?

[zafisher94]

Originally Posted by sycro

You could always trade and/or sell them on here.

never thought of that lol. i just have to decide if I want to upgrade

[Zak2000]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

Germany was the first to confirm that 101 Dalmatians and Pinocchio have been dropped from the Diamond list waay back and oh, look what's happening now.

Yes, that's true. I saw the message on facebook as well. "Disney Deutschland" answers there from time to time questions about the releases.

[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by EricJ

I've asked it before, but:

WHERE

are we

GETTING

these crackpot ideas about what's been "added" or "dropped", or that there's been any change on the original Platinum list whatsoever since Peter Pan and Fantasia were added for marketing value?

EricJ, too quick to spill poison, too slow to think. If you actually did some research and bothered reading people's posts instead of rumbling and ranting about everything, you'd know where we got the info. But here's a tip for you: we got them from official confirmations around the world, including the US.

I used to think it was just Ultimate DVDizzy's rumor-mongering...

Confirmation / rumor / speculation... Learn the differences.

*Then I thought it was just all that quickly-read out-of-context confusion over Brazilian schedules and Aladdin not selling in the UK...
Okay, at this point, now I think we're officially at the Making rap Up stage, and just placing horse-racing bets about what we think "did" or "didn't sell", sight-unseen!

You, with all that knowledge regarding Disney history don't know that Aladdin didn't sell well as a Platinum? Or have we made this up as well? You should probably refresh your memory by reading some press releases.

If you're surprised something's "back on" the list, there's every possibility it never left. Because nothing happened.

Fantasia/Fantasia 2000 and Aladdin have changed status for you "special" people (in denial), plus Pinocchio and 101 Dalmatians for us "foreigners"

Originally Posted by EricJ

..BECAUSE THEY'RE FOREIGNERS! They're DIFFERENT!!

You're replying to a "foreigner" though so your reply should have been more like "you're foreigners".

So are Brazilians, and Greeks, and Germans, and Argentinians, and everybody else we've been using our little wishful dribblings of "inside info", unquote, to base our horse-racing guesses about domestic Disney upon--

If you think that the international Disney releases have no relation to the US schedule, then sorry, but you have already been proven wrong. Multiple times.

They all each have their OWN corporate home-theater offshoot of Disney--or sometimes, as with the Ghiblis, not Disney at all--that each market to their own native tastes and selling patterns, and have absolutely nothing to do with US release schedules, or extra content, or print condition or vault availability!

You clearly have no idea how Disney works on their foreign release schedule so stop embarrassing yourself. Bottom line is that each country does not have an individual Disney which makes these choices.

"Yeah, but I heard that Chile said they were going to use Hunchback to replace--"
WHO (outside of Montevideo)......CARES???

Everyone except you.

Disney US still makes the home video decisions about Disney in the US, and every vault movie ever claimed to have "been dropped" from the list since 2001 seems to have mysteriously appeared back on , and every title rumored to "have been last-minute added" since '04, seems, equally mysteriously, to have been "dropped".

Yeah, like...????? Mind clarifying your tirade a little bit?

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by disneyfreak

Heres the thing, no country has actually said that they are dropping Pinocchio or any other title from the Diamond Edition line. Disney has released movies in other countrys while movies aren't available in the US. That doesn't mean its been dropped. EX: Aladdin, Cinderella, and Pinocchio. Just b/c these movies were released doesn't mean they were dropped. In all honesty, I'm not convinced any movies have been dropped until Disney says they dropped them from the line.

Again, "Platinum" or "Diamond" doesn't mean "quality", nor does it refer to the amount or lack of extras--
It means a pre-determined list of twelve catalog titles considered to be "essential" marketing sellers, and offered for Limited-Time releases twice a year before being removed from sale. (To thus be distinguished from the relatively extras-lighter Pocahontas or Pete's Dragon releases which come out at undetermined schedules and are available all year round.)

In the US, Diamond releases are being offered in the Spring and Fall seasons, and available for a 14-16 month window (usually until January of the year after, with Fantasia the exception).
The US Aladdin is being offered in March '13, and advertised as "for a limited time only". Sure as shootin' sounds like a Diamond release to me.
(That's ours, though, not the one in the UK.)

[Livelong420]

Of course Aladdin will be diamond.

[14731779]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

EricJ, too quick to spill poison, too slow to think. If you actually did some research and bothered reading people's posts instead of rumbling and ranting about everything, you'd know where we got the info. But here's a tip for you: we got them from official confirmations around the world, including the US.



Confirmation / rumor / speculation... Learn the differences.



You, with all that knowledge regarding Disney history don't know that Aladdin didn't sell well as a Platinum? Or have we made this up as well? You should probably refresh your memory by reading some press releases.



Fantasia/Fantasia 2000 and Aladdin have changed status for you "special" people (in denial), plus Pinocchio and 101 Dalmatians for us "foreigners"



You're replying to a "foreigner" though so your reply should have been more like "you're foreigners".



If you think that the international Disney releases have no relation to the US schedule, then sorry, but you have already been proven wrong. Multiple times.



You clearly have no idea how Disney works on their foreign release schedule so stop embarrassing yourself. Bottom line is that each country does not have an individual Disney which makes these choices.



Everyone except you.



Yeah, like...????? Mind clarifying your tirade a little bit?

Agree 110%

[famman84]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

I'm no expert but I think you add everything to your cart and then delete it and there is a chance that next day you'll see them in your gold box

Thanks! Gave that a try. Guess we will see within the next day our two if that works.

[disneyfreak]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

Germany was the first to confirm that 101 Dalmatians and Pinocchio have been dropped from the Diamond list waay back and oh, look what's happening now.

I really don't get why it's so hard to believe. Sure some people are in denial and think they're special in some way, but Disney has dropped Fantasia(!!!!) from the Diamond line and they are releasing the rest as fast as the can. Are we that arrogant that we refuse to believe that after Fantasia there is a tiny possibility that other titles would/could be dropped as well - even while they are being released?

Thank you, finally someone actually has said that a country confirmed that it was dropped. I've asked this before and I got no where near an actual answer. If Disney Germany has confirmed it, its safe to say its been dropped worldwide. Either way I'm not really sad about it, they have the main core of the bonus features and the restoration done for both of the films, there really isn't much for them to do.

[taei]

I've been thinking about this for a long time..

Diamond Edition should be the movies that Walt Disney himself actually made. Dropping Pinocchio was big mistake IMO, I mean, it's the second Disney movie. Also 101 Dalmatians.

Why can't they have a special line for the renaissance movies?

[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by taei

I've been thinking about this for a long time..

Diamond Edition should be the movies that Walt Disney himself actually made. Dropping Pinocchio was big mistake IMO, I mean, it's the second Disney movie. Also 101 Dalmatians.

Why can't they have a special line for the renaissance movies?

Cause they're stupid. I was thinking about a Renaissance line literally two days ago But at the end of the line, this is just marketing crap.

[PuppyJonathan]

Originally Posted by zafisher94

I do have a 3D player, but not a 3D tv, although it is very possible when I get a new tv (which will be soon) that it will be 3D. The way I look at it is, I rather have the extra 3D disc and never use it, rather than getting a 3D tv and then wishing I had it (because if I get a 3D tv, of course I'll want to use that feature). Plus in the case of PotC: OST and Cars 2 (and possibly future releases) they contain extra features, not to mention they have gorgeous packaging. Also, I could then use certain coupons and promotions for future releases that are only for the 3D version.

Definitley, I'm a sucker for lenticular slipcovers

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

Germany was the first to confirm that 101 Dalmatians and Pinocchio have been dropped from the Diamond list waay back and oh, look what's happening now.

I really don't get why it's so hard to believe. Sure some people are in denial and think they're special in some way, but Disney has dropped Fantasia(!!!!) from the Diamond line and they are releasing the rest as fast as the can. Are we that arrogant that we refuse to believe that after Fantasia there is a tiny possibility that other titles would/could be dropped as well - even while they are being released?

No, we're just arrogant enough to ask for some damn PROOF.
The Criswell Defense--"Can you prove it won't happen?" don't cut it.

We have fan-pundit analysis used as theory, we have what, quote, "might" happen carved in stone and ask "what next from here?", we have speculation based on other speculation, footnote-credited to other speculation, corporate fan-paranoia is inserted whenever the reasonable motive question of "But why would they bother?" is inserted, and now we're passing personal judgment on anyone who might disagree or find fault with the rationalization process. I've heard stronger arguments.
Germany can do what it likes--they certainly have before (sorry )--but to use it as solid iron-clad scientific verification of what Disney US has "not announced yet" and just "hasn't told us"? Keep seeing ponies in those clouds, people.

[Ernest Rister]

(nerd glasses on)
For the record, Nora and Lampie never rode Elliott.
(nerd glasses off)

(frat glasses on)
Drink every time Elliott sticks out his tongue, or Doc Terminus laughs "Nyah hah hah!"
(frat glasses off)

[HarryPotterGrl10]

Umm, there's LOTS of sequences in Mermaid that could benefit from 3D: The entire undersea environment for one; the storm; Ariel becoming human; the final fight; the wedding, etc.

And please, you are SOO wrong about Mermaid being inferior to Fantasia in video sales; etc. The Platinum Edition release of Mermaid was the HIGHEST-selling platinum release, EVER, up till that point.

As for theatrical gross, Fantasia's TOTAL box office earn is :$83,320,000. Mermaid's is
$211,343,479. I think we know the winner here. (And it ain't Fantasia!) (Source: Wikipedia pages for both.)

And as for critical reception, Mermaid was VERY highly praised, and still continues to be for this day. When Fantasia was first released, it had mixed. Mermaid had high praise.

So please, you are delusional if you think that Mermaid isn't superior to Fantasia, which it clearly is.

[HarryPotterGrl10]

And Mermaid DID indeed start the Disney Renaissance.....do some research, why don't you?

[captveg]

Originally Posted by HarryPotterGrl10

As for theatrical gross, Fantasia's TOTAL box office earn is :$83,320,000. Mermaid's is
$211,343,479. I think we know the winner here. (And it ain't Fantasia!) (Source: Wikipedia pages for both.)

Adjusted for inflation, US box office:

Fantasia: $657,704,300
The Little Mermaid: $162,868,200

Source: boxofficemojo.com

[PuppyJonathan]

Originally Posted by HarryPotterGrl10

And Mermaid DID indeed start the Disney Renaissance.....do some research, why don't you?

Little Mermaid was the starting line, Roger Rabbit proved that there can be a starting line

[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by EricJ

No, we're just arrogant enough to ask for some damn PROOF.

You asked for proof? where? when? i'd love to see that post. I've only seen you bashing other people's findings.
and you want proof that proves what exactly? the changes on the Diamond line, the upcoming releases...??

Originally Posted by disneyfreak

Okay, I found these 1080p videos on youtube of Pocahontas I and II and Tarzan. Are these from the Blu-rays?

[Show spoiler]Tarzan (Arabic) Two Worlds - YouTube
Pocahontas (Arabic) Colors of the Wind - YouTube
Pocahontas II (Arabic) What a Day in London - YouTube

can anyone tell/Confirm?

EDIT: the person who posted them said in a comment they are.

he is a member on DVDizzy. he could be in here as well, I can't remember

[disneyfreak]

Did anyone notice there is a bit of a color change in cinderella at least comparing the Platinum edition trailer to a Diamond edition clip?

[Show spoiler]

Cinderella Diamond Edition "The Other Slipper" Clip - YouTube

Cinderella (Platinum Edition) Fall 2005 Trailer - YouTube