Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[fathergll]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

You make a good point, but I don't think everyone will do this.

Well Im sure there still people who actively watch VHS tapes out there too.


Mark your calendar for 5 years from now and go back to this thread. Then look at how much CDs will be gone from the market at that time. Im not saying there won't be CDs but im saying there will be a ton of computers without them, many cars won't have them and store will barely even sell CD players(they don’t even sell many of them now im sure). More importantly the kids growing up today won't have some nostalgia reason to buy them like the adults today.



Im not Nostradamus, im just a guy looking at the obvious writing on the wall.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by fathergll

And you have USB(thumb drives,MP3 players,Phones..etc), external HDs, wireless means of transporting data which is replacing CDs. You want to transport data? Throw it on your phone, throw it in a cloud....People are not going to be burning CDs to do this

All of those options are convenient and have their pros and cons. All of those options are also much more expensive than an individual CD-R. I do think it's much more likely to see DVD and blu-ray drives replace the CD drive eventually much like the CD drive replaced the floppy disc drive. However, optical drives themselves won't disappear at least not for a long time from now.

Try throwing DVD and Blu-ray sized data into the cloud and let me know how that works out for you. It's not very convenient at those data sizes. That will change over time but it's going to take much longer for that change to take place and it won't happen as fast as some think it will.

And what about closed systems? The cloud doesn't work in those cases. We're still far off from the demise of optical drives.

[fathergll]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

All of those options are convenient and have their pros and cons. All of those options are also much more expensive than an individual CD-R. I do think it's much more likely to see DVD and blu-ray drives replace the CD drive eventually much like the CD drive replaced the floppy disc drive. However, optical drives themselves won't disappear at least not for a long time from now.

8 GB thumb drive runs $7

The issue with optical drives is they’re already being phased out as we speak in computers. Right now the future is tablets and ultra thin laptops. Optical drives don’t have a place in either one.

Try throwing DVD and Blu-ray sized data into the cloud and let me know how that works out for you. It's not very convenient at those data sizes. That will change over time but it's going to take much longer for that change to take place and it won't happen as fast as some think it will.

I agree 20 gb sized files are not convenient and never said cloud would solve every scenario(though we see things being compressed heavily to get around this). I’m not here to defend clouds either….i just mentioned it as another reason why optical drives will be getting used less and less.

And what about closed systems? The cloud doesn't work in those cases.

USB?

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by fathergll

Well Im sure there still people who actively watch VHS tapes out there too.


Mark your calendar for 5 years from now and go back to this thread. Then look at how much CDs will be gone from the market at that time. Im not saying there won't be CDs but im saying there will be a ton of computers without them, many cars won't have them and store will barely even sell CD players(they don’t even sell many of them now im sure). More importantly the kids growing up today won't have some nostalgia reason to buy them like the adults today.



Im not Nostradamus, im just a guy looking at the obvious writing on the wall.

I can't really comment on Macs, I just think anyone buying one should beware there are much better alternatives to spending that type of money on a computer. Removing the cd drive is just the Apple way of messing things up for the consumer. I don't even want to know if a laptop by Apple has a drive for CDs.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by fathergll

Right now the future is tablets and ultra thin laptops. Optical drives don’t have a place in either one.

Right now, sleek and ultra thin is the thing, that does not mean going forward it will stay that way.

Look at the Nano, or the Touch, they both got larger in the latest gen release. And the Ipad Mini and tablet are just very large iPads. Even the iPhone is longer that it was in the past.

[fathergll]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I can't really comment on Macs, I just think anyone buying one should beware there are much better alternatives to spending that type of money on a computer

You self admit you know nothing about "Macs" yet you know enough to advise people not to buy them?

. Removing the cd drive is just the Apple way of messing things up for the consumer. I don't even want to know if a laptop by Apple has a drive for CDs

I agree. Im still upset that I found out my iPad didn't come with a 3.5" floppy

[2 Up 2 Down]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Right now, sleek and ultra thin is the thing, that does not mean going forward it will stay that way.

Look at the Nano, or the Touch, they both got larger in the latest gen release. And the Ipad Mini and tablet are just very large iPads. Even the iPhone is longer that it was in the past.

Also look at cell phones. At on point they were trying to make them as small and thin as possible, but now when have phones like the Note that are popular.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by fathergll

I agree. Im still upset that I found out my iPad didn't come with a 3.5" floppy

The iPad is a waste of money in my opinion.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by 2 Up 2 Down

Also look at cell phones. At on point they were trying to make them as small and thin as possible, but now when have phones like the Note that are popular.

Exactly, and then were flip phones. Ultra sleek. Before the flip phones there were cell phones about the size of a iPhone, but those were deemed not to be in style.

[fathergll]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Right now, sleek and ultra thin is the thing, that does not mean going forward it will stay that way.

You're suggesting things might go the opposite? Heavier and fatter?

Look at the Nano, or the Touch, they both got larger in the latest gen release. And the Ipad Mini and tablet are just very large iPads.

the iPad mini is just a very large iPad?

Even the iPhone is longer that it was in the past

So? its also thinner and lighter.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by fathergll

You're suggesting things might go the opposite? Heavier and fatter?

.

The Ipod Nano went from one size, to ultra small, back to mid size.

The iPhone got longer, and a little lighter. It feels cheaper than the one before. My prediction is that it will stay the size, but feel heavier. Same thing thing with the current iPod touch.

the iPad mini is just a very large iPad?

Meant to say, current iPads are just very large iPod Touches that people think they "need"

[fathergll]

Originally Posted by 2 Up 2 Down

Also look at cell phones. At on point they were trying to make them as small and thin as possible, but now when have phones like the Note that are popular.

They're still trying to make phones thinner and lighter. Lets not confuse cell phones from 2005 like the Razor that just made calls to phones today with full displays and internet capabilities.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by fathergll

They're still trying to make phones thinner and lighter. Lets not confuse cell phones from 2005 like the Razor that just made calls to phones today with full displays and internet capabilities.

But the iPhone got longer? It also went from a weight of 135g to 133g, to 135g, to 137g, to 140g to the current 112 g. It also got longer, then shorter, then longer again. So much for footprint? .....

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Try throwing DVD and Blu-ray sized data into the cloud and let me know how that works out for you. It's not very convenient at those data sizes. That will change over time but it's going to take much longer for that change to take place and it won't happen as fast as some think it will.

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While I do believe that the cloud is the future. I also agree that the phasing out cd drives will not happen as fast as some think.

There will be people who will just adopt the Apple way of doing stuff, but there will also be those who want and demand the flexibility of having a bluray, dvd or cd drive on their computer.

I just purchased a lap top for $600, I thought about a blu ray player inside but I figured I just don't need it. But a dvd drive was mandatory. I pity those mac owners who paid "how much?" for a computer that can't play a cd let alone a dvd. HDMI out was mandatory as well.




But there is always a sucker!!!!

[fathergll]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

But the iPhone got longer?

Yes it got longer to accommodate a larger screen. Just like the new Sharp 70" Elites are longer than the 60" Pioneer Elite Plasma's from a few years ago. Are you trying to say Apple producing phones with bigger screens is going against the smaller footprint idea? Its not.....just like if Apple produce a 17" Macbook Air model, that wouldn't be indication that "Hey you're smaller footprint idea is stupid because lookie, Apple now has a longer lap! hehehe"

It also went from a weight of 135g to 133g, to 135g, to 137g, to 140g

Haha..You're arguing over a few grams. If you're going to come out with silly examples of a couple gram difference after googling all the specs then I think you're missing the point.

[fathergll]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

The iPad is a waste of money in my opinion.

Why because it doesn't suite your needs? The fact that you can use a BI ap(thats Business Intelligence) to access important metrics on the fly remotely isn't wasteful by any stretch. Then again you may not work in any type of corporate environment.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by fathergll

That's sales.

obviously, how welse will you know what people are buying?

That doesn't paint an accurate picture how people are listening to music.

who talked about listening to music, if I buy a CD I can listen to it on my ipod, on my PC, on my CD player in the car, who said anything about how people are listening to it. Your assertion was that people did not care about quality and they are listening to low grade i-tunes music since 2000, if they are listening to CD quality (or higher) on their ipod how does that prove that they care about convenience, form factor..... more than quality?

If ~30% of people that bought Avengers opted for the cheaper DVD and the rest for higher quality BD and ~30% of music sold is bought in low quality DL/streaming then how does it prove that people don't care about quality?

The sheer amount of illegal digital music files floating around is impossible to account for.

agree, but not all of it is low quality? and then I am sure that the main reason for illegal DL is cost and nothing legal can compete with free

Add in tons and tons of small independent bands are selling their content digitally or giving it away.

but if it is sold through normal means, Spontify, i-tunes..... then it is counted in the numbers, but if the band is also selling the CD from the back of their truck then it is not. so I am guessing the "small band" effect would actually work in CDs favour and not DL, on the other hand it will most likely be a rounding error in the final calculations.

How many CD players are being sold compared to MP3 players?

enough

How do you think CD player sales will fare in 5 years? How about 10 years?

don't know, I can still go into BB and buy a record player and have the choice of a few players and CD came out 25 years ago and re3cords are still being produced and sold.

Despite what album sales may say on some link, majority of people are listening to music via MP3 or streaming.

maybe, but they still prefer higher quality which is why they buy the CD and then copy it losslessly to their MP3 player.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by fathergll

Thats making the assumption you'll have a CD drive to do that with. Computers are moving away from optical drives. Apple iMacs, Airs and Retina Macbook Pros all have no optical drives. There's still ways around that but much like the floppy disc, CD drives are going bye bye

and 80% of people don't use mac computers.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by fathergll

Well Im sure there still people who actively watch VHS tapes out there too.

probably, but this is the difference if I look at what people are buying (not what is collecting dust in their home) they don't tell me of what new movie is released on VHS (there are none), or sales info o0n how well it is doing (maybe there are some in some shrift shop somewhere) or even if I go into a store I can't get a VHS only player. On the other hand if I go into a store I can get a record player, I can read about a new record being released and I can see how well record sales are doing they are doing http://www.tinymixtapes.com/news/sal...ssibly-related


Why are records still alive but VHS is not? when the CD came out in 82 and DVD in 96/97?

Mark your calendar for 5 years from now and go back to this thread. Then look at how much CDs will be gone from the market at that time. Im not saying there won't be CDs but im saying there will be a ton of computers without them, many cars won't have them and store will barely even sell CD players(they don’t even sell many of them now im sure). More importantly the kids growing up today won't have some nostalgia reason to buy them like the adults today.

Im not Nostradamus, im just a guy looking at the obvious writing on the wall.

or a nut job with no idea of how stuff works.


Quality does not die it just gets replaced by better quality. If 5 years from today digital music is much higher quality than CD then maybe youre prediction will be right, but if not then CD sales will still be going strong, for the last 10 years I have been hearing idiots predict the extremely short remaining life of CD and it is still roughly 70% of sales. It has nothing to do with nostalgia or being old fasion but the simple reality that maybe not everyone cares about quality but all you need is a few people that care for the difference for something to go on. Some people look at records and say "they are the best quality available" and they have maintained the record industry for the 30 years CD has been around, some people say "CD is the best quality" and they will maintain the CD industry. The way to kill something isn't to get the masses but to convince people that see a benefit in something that there is none there anymore. It was not Ferrari and Lamborghini... that needed help from the government to maintain their companies but GM and the rest that sell crap cars to Joe.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Lawrence of Arabia should be seen on blu ray. The movie was filmed in 70mm and the original negative was scanned at 4K resolution (all done with theatrical distribution in mind)...all other transfers for this movie were done with a 35mm print.

Seeing the movie on blu-ray allows one to use the blu ray format at the best of its abilities.

My initial statement stands: There is absolutely nothing unique or special about Lawrence... that makes it more important to see on Blu-ray than, say, La Grande Illusion, which was also restored in 4K.

You seem to be under the impression that because it was filmed in 70mm, it is more suitable for Blu-ray. Or something like that.

Pro-B