24 frames per second - Blu-ray Forum

haushausman · 03-29-2007, 03:42 PM

I was wondering if anyone knew if the PS3 has an output of 24 fps? If not, will this be something that they'll update like the 1080p upscaling? The article is below:
http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/21...member-blu-ray

Amon37 · 03-29-2007, 03:48 PM

At this time it does not do 1080/24, it's rumored that can be fixed in a firmware upgrade.

haushausman · 03-29-2007, 04:04 PM

That would be an upgrade worth doing.. hope they put in the time with programming. Hopefully they don't delay or completely put it off to boost sales of new BD players with these features already added.

Thanks for the info

jason · 03-29-2007, 04:32 PM

Do you even have a tv that will support 1080p/24? and do you think you can "honestly" and I stress honestly, notice a difference between 24 and 60?

Its all hype... you have probably had a 60hz tv all your life and now theres a concern? Wish I could make something sound awsome to you so I could just gouge your wallet.

kknight · 03-29-2007, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason

Do you even have a tv that will support 1080p/24? and do you think you can "honestly" and I stress honestly, notice a difference between 24 and 60?

Its all hype... you have probably had a 60hz tv all your life and now theres a concern? Wish I could make something sound awsome to you so I could just gouge your wallet.

Yep I noticed that the movies running at 24fps is a bit smoother then 60fps, not much though. the average joe won't be able to tell the difference...

haushausman · 03-29-2007, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason

Do you even have a tv that will support 1080p/24? and do you think you can "honestly" and I stress honestly, notice a difference between 24 and 60?

See that bad mammajamma under my SN? It's a 61" DLP 1080p HD Samsung. I don't see why it wouldn't support 24 fps. But I'll look into it.

When you spend $150 bucks on your HDMI Monster Cable alone and an extra G for the 1080p.. these little things matter.

jason · 03-29-2007, 06:27 PM

LOL yeah you got ripped on the hdmi cable.. but to each his own.

And I have the 56" of that tv, was going to get the 61" but even this 56 is too big for my small apartment.

and again without side by side comparison for the minimal difference, your only going to think yo see a difference because what your making your mind believe is what you will see...

Deciazulado · 03-29-2007, 11:26 PM

One thing (apart from motion) 24p might help with is grain. Instead of start stop start stop (which makes it more noticeable), boiling in ramdon fashion as a constant 24fps might bring about a perceptual dB or half of improvement. Hey, like having a free DNR that's not damageing.

If you wanna see how much you can perceive 60p judder follow the Yellow Submarine in the Title credits

HDJK · 04-02-2007, 07:42 AM

Check out Chad's review on Layer Cake:

http://www.hometheaterspot.com/htsth...?sequence=1892

There is a scene that's capable of showing the difference between 24P vs. 60P.

Solar Driftwood · 04-02-2007, 10:51 AM

I can't get that page to work at the moment. Will try again later.

On the subject of Layer Cake, I had this disc demo'ed to me on Saturday by a friend on his Samsung BDP-1000 (UK model). I was rather concerned by the frame rate, which was causing noticeable judder on panning shots, notably the left > right pan near the start with the FCUK bottles on the chemist shelves. Is this a problem with the disc, my friend's player or Blu-ray in general. Viewed on a Pioneer PDP-436-SXE at 1080i. Same effect @ 720p.

Deciazulado · 04-02-2007, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solar Driftwood

On the subject of Layer Cake, I had this disc demo'ed to me on Saturday by a friend on his Samsung BDP-1000 (UK model). I was rather concerned by the frame rate, which was causing noticeable judder on panning shots, notably the left > right pan near the start with the FCUK bottles on the chemist shelves. Is this a problem with the disc, my friend's player or Blu-ray in general. Viewed on a Pioneer PDP-436-SXE at 1080i. Same effect @ 720p.

Weirdness in pans is both a problem with 24fps (you sometimes can see it in the theater), and with 24 to 60 conversion judder. So it's a problem with too low frame rates. That's why Oklahoma! 70mm Todd-AO and one of the Around The World in 80 Days 70mm Todd-AO versions were made in 30 fps, and Showscan 70mm tried 60 fps.

Solar Driftwood · 04-02-2007, 05:28 PM

Thanks for your help, Deciazulado.

Deciazulado · 04-02-2007, 07:01 PM

oh and another thing, if you're only used to fluid 25fps PAL playback, if you're seeing 60hz playback with 24->60 3:2 judder for the first time, it will be obvious. So take that into account too.

AustinSTI · 04-06-2007, 02:07 PM

Get on this Sony...my PRO-FHD1 demands it!!!!!

03-29-2007, 03:42 PM	#1
haushausman Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Chicago Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:343 Blu-ray reviews: 5	24 frames per second I was wondering if anyone knew if the PS3 has an output of 24 fps? If not, will this be something that they'll update like the 1080p upscaling? The article is below: http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/21...member-blu-ray

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03-29-2007, 03:48 PM	#2
Amon37 Power Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:USA,Arizona PSNetwork: Amon37	At this time it does not do 1080/24, it's rumored that can be fixed in a firmware upgrade.

03-29-2007, 04:04 PM	#3
haushausman Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Chicago Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:343 Blu-ray reviews: 5	That would be an upgrade worth doing.. hope they put in the time with programming. Hopefully they don't delay or completely put it off to boost sales of new BD players with these features already added. Thanks for the info

03-29-2007, 04:32 PM	#4
jason Active Member Member since:Aug 2006	Do you even have a tv that will support 1080p/24? and do you think you can "honestly" and I stress honestly, notice a difference between 24 and 60? Its all hype... you have probably had a 60hz tv all your life and now theres a concern? Wish I could make something sound awsome to you so I could just gouge your wallet.

03-29-2007, 06:27 PM	#7
jason Active Member Member since:Aug 2006	LOL yeah you got ripped on the hdmi cable.. but to each his own. And I have the 56" of that tv, was going to get the 61" but even this 56 is too big for my small apartment. and again without side by side comparison for the minimal difference, your only going to think yo see a difference because what your making your mind believe is what you will see...

03-29-2007, 11:26 PM	#8
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1159 Blu-ray collection:7044 DVD collection:4040	One thing (apart from motion) 24p might help with is grain. Instead of start stop start stop (which makes it more noticeable), boiling in ramdon fashion as a constant 24fps might bring about a perceptual dB or half of improvement. Hey, like having a free DNR that's not damageing. If you wanna see how much you can perceive 60p judder follow the Yellow Submarine in the Title credits

04-02-2007, 07:42 AM	#9
HDJK Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2006 Location:Switzerland Trading Score:2	Check out Chad's review on Layer Cake: http://www.hometheaterspot.com/htsth...?sequence=1892 There is a scene that's capable of showing the difference between 24P vs. 60P.

04-02-2007, 10:51 AM	#10
Solar Driftwood Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Middlesex	I can't get that page to work at the moment. Will try again later. On the subject of Layer Cake, I had this disc demo'ed to me on Saturday by a friend on his Samsung BDP-1000 (UK model). I was rather concerned by the frame rate, which was causing noticeable judder on panning shots, notably the left > right pan near the start with the FCUK bottles on the chemist shelves. Is this a problem with the disc, my friend's player or Blu-ray in general. Viewed on a Pioneer PDP-436-SXE at 1080i. Same effect @ 720p.

04-02-2007, 05:28 PM	#12
Solar Driftwood Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Middlesex	Thanks for your help, Deciazulado.

04-02-2007, 07:01 PM	#13
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1159 Blu-ray collection:7044 DVD collection:4040	oh and another thing, if you're only used to fluid 25fps PAL playback, if you're seeing 60hz playback with 24->60 3:2 judder for the first time, it will be obvious. So take that into account too.

04-06-2007, 02:07 PM	#14
AustinSTI Active Member Member since:Apr 2007	Get on this Sony...my PRO-FHD1 demands it!!!!!

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