The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

[crazyBLUE]

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

+1....and that's saying something, coming from someone like me!

[Early Memphis]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

Brent, are you in need of hospital, or merely bored with our scintillating discussion?

[gates70]

Originally Posted by lone_star_obelisk

Just stating the obvious in a good make-believe movie...And we all know you really do care. Very interesting responses so far.

Should I post my Picard pic again ?

[lone_star_obelisk]

Originally Posted by gates70

Should I post my Picard pic again ?

Not necessary. Sir, it was your post with that particular pose of Picard that grounded me and brought me back to reality....that and that alone helped me understand that DKR is truly only a movie

And it's very interesting that some here are agitated when a reality observation is introduced into a review of a scene and they feel obligated to make sure that the reviewer, who concedes it's fiction in the post, knows it's a make-believe movie.

[MifuneFan]

[42041]

Originally Posted by lone_star_obelisk

And it's very interesting that some here are agitated when a reality observation is introduced into a review of a scene and they feel obligated to make sure that the reviewer, who concedes it's fiction in the post, knows it's a make-believe movie.

No one's "agitated", it's just completely inane. Do you think you've made some kind of sage observation that the movie fudges realism a bit?

[lone_star_obelisk]

Originally Posted by 42041

No one's "agitated", it's just completely inane. Do you think you've made some kind of sage observation that the movie fudges realism a bit?

It's a modern day version of a 1950's sci-fi where the visible strings on the spaceship are glaringly distracting to me...nothing more, nothing less. A little Christopher Nolan cheesiness. My review of the scene. That is all.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

+4 billion x 20 miles/10 secs x 60 secs/1 minute x 60 minutes/1 hour = 7,200 mph!

[kashif]

I dont understand whats going on here? So many posts about did he die at the end or not or this dosent make sense that dosent make sense. Really I am sick of this. First of all I am not a Nolan fan but I like this movie. I am mentioning this so that you cant say that I am a Nolan fanboy or something. People should know that they are watching a movie and not some real life documentary.

Tell me in what country or city have u seen a super hero like Batman? Do you think its even possible for someone to protect crime like Batman with all his modern gadgets? When you dont complain about this then why its so hard to digest that he ejected himself at the end and he is alive yes alive alive alive! No matter how many calculations you do. He is alive and f***ing Selina Kyle every night!

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by kashif

I dont understand whats going on here? So many posts about did he die at the end or not or this dosent make sense that dosent make sense. Really I am sick of this. First of all I am not a Nolan fan but I like this movie. I am mentioning this so that you cant say that I am a Nolan fanboy or something. People should know that they are watching a movie and not some real life documentary.

Tell me in what country or city have u seen a super hero like Batman? Do you think its even possible for someone to protect crime like Batman with all his modern gadgets? When you dont complain about this then why its so hard to digest that he ejected himself at the end and he is alive yes alive alive alive! No matter how many calculations you do. He is alive and f***ing Selina Kyle every night!

+1 Thank YOU

[Steve Lilley]

Why is it bad for other people to have different interpretations of a movie?

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by lone_star_obelisk

Estimated speed at detonation = 20 miles/10 secs x 60 secs/1 minute x 60 minutes/1 hour = 7,200 mph That's some good comic book imagination hollywood style

You are absolutely correct, it was just plain stupid how little time they left on the bomb and how far out he supposedly got it in that amount of time. Also, as a citizen of Gotham, my gut feeling from the size of the mushroom cloud would have not been to stand around cheering, it would have been to run my ass into the nearest led-lined bomb shelter to hide from the radiation cloud and a sickness that would doom me for the rest of my life.

But what really grinds my gears:

What kind of a B-movie hero wastes precious seconds making out with a girl instead of hauling ass to get the NUCLEAR BOMB out of the city? I expect a lot of "I would" responses (and yes, I, too, would rather make out with Anne Hathaway for 5 seconds than save my own skin and an entire city) -- but that is precisely why none of we self-obsessed losers are Batman. BATMAN should NOT do that.

Still liked the movie though. Although, while I was watching it, I decided that it plays more like an extremely long trailer for some other movie in which I actually have time between cuts and one-liners to care about and process what's happening and in which characters have depth and are not just themselves plot devices.

[rickah88]

Ya know come to think of it, I don't think dinosaurs really exist during present day, as stated in the Jurassic Park movies...but unfortunately I don't have a source for this. Yet!

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Ya know come to think of it, I don't think dinosaurs really exist during present day, as stated in the Jurassic Park movies...but unfortunately I don't have a source for this. Yet!

Not sure who you are conversing with here, but, that analogy for anything anybody said so far is pretty weak. Comparing a film which spends the first half setting up a premise for a fictional world in which dinosaurs are now alive, to a film which spends zero time setting up a premise for a fictional world in which the laws of physics are different or in which it makes logical sense to play kissy-face instead of eject a nuclear bomb from your immediate vacinity, is a non-starter.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

Not sure who you are conversing with here, but, that analogy for anything anybody said so far is pretty weak. Comparing a film which spends the first half setting up a premise for a fictional world in which dinosaurs are now alive, to a film which spends zero time setting up a premise for a fictional world in which the laws of physics are different or in which it makes logical sense to play kissy-face instead of eject a nuclear bomb from your immediate vacinity, is a non-starter.

Jurassic Park takes place in a fictional world? North America/South America aren't real??? When did this happen?

They key word here is: Fiction. Not true.
The conversation starts to dip when people try to make Fiction into fact.

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Jurassic Park takes place in a fictional world? North America/South America aren't real??? When did this happen?

They key word here is: Fiction. Not true.
The conversation starts to dip when people try to make Fiction into fact.

Now you are just being difficult. What was my actual quote? Read the words after "fictional world in which". You yourself just got done saying there is no such world as the words following that phrase. If you do not think that world is fictional then you might need to check in to a doctor.

Surely as a lover of storytelling you understand the interrelated concepts of:
- premise
- suspension of disbelief
- character/plot coherence

Nobody is trying to turn fiction into fact, but some of us do expect a bit of believability and coherence -- particularly from Mr. Chris RTOB Nolan himself (the RTOB stands for Realistic Take On Batman). It's not like this is an episode of the Powerpuff Girls or something. It's a movie trying to sell itself as a believable take on Batman. So it probably shouldn't blatantly throw physics or character logic out the window.

[MifuneFan]

While no actual machine exists that flys exactly like The Bat does, it's not really impossible to think that one may do it eventually. Take this Boeing X-43A demonstrated by NASA that travels at nearly 7,000mph, and that's in 2004. Manned Hypersonic flight (as it's called) could very well be a reality one day.

X-43A Goes 7,000 MPH - Launch from the Mothership - YouTube

I still think it's a little silly to single out whether The Bat could have such hypersonic speeds when it's a fictional machine in a world filled with many other devices and scenarios that aren't really applicable to reality.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

Now you are just being difficult. What was my actual quote? Read the words after "fictional world in which". You yourself just got done saying there is no such world as the words following that phrase. If you do not think that world is fictional then you might need to check in to a doctor.

Surely as a lover of storytelling you understand the interrelated concepts of:
- premise
- suspension of disbelief
- character/plot coherence

Nobody is trying to turn fiction into fact, but some of us do expect a bit of believability and coherence -- particularly from Mr. Chris RTOB Nolan himself (the RTOB stands for Realistic Take On Batman). It's not like this is an episode of the Powerpuff Girls or something. It's a movie trying to sell itself as a believable take on Batman. So it probably shouldn't blatantly throw physics or character logic out the window.

First of all, my initial quote wasn't directed at anyone. YOU took it upon yourself to respond to ME.

Second...unlike others here, I can, very much, suspend my disbelief when viewing movies that require me to do so.

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

I still think it's a little silly to single out whether The Bat could have such hypersonic speeds when it's a fictional machine in a world filled with many other devices and scenarios that aren't really applicable to reality.

I hear you, but, did they really need to have the timer so low? Would it have killed them to make it a little bit higher? As if we somehow didn't understand the stakes, we needed 10 seconds left on the clock to boot or we just wouldn't get the importance of getting a non-disarmable nuke as far away as possible as quickly as possible? Adding insult to injury, we get to watch Batman fly away at a relative snail's pace for a long time after he was plenty clear of structures to initiate this theoretical hypersonic speed.

But like I said, the thing that bothered me more was "oh, time's running out, better kiss the girl". Add in the fact that he surely already knew he planned to use the autopilot and escape death and you can't even legitimately explain that away with "he had a temporary lapse of judgment because he will never see her again!" And it's not like we needed the closure as an audience because mere moments later we would see him with her.

This is the kind of thing you always wonder why nobody on the team stopped to think about the plausibility of all of this for a minute. It would have been so easy to do it more believably. These two things honestly did pull me out of the movie the very first time I saw it.