Working group on DVD2 format, recreating HD-DVD [Deadmeat FUD]

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Then, well, on the BD front we can have:

UHD available via Super Upconversion to 2160p

Exactly. If those *******s really want to play this game...

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

Is this an indication that Paramount are not interested in releasing on BD?

I don't see any mention of Paramount in this article?

[emm7th]

About the article if it's true; to be honest, I think only immature losers will think of such.

Considering the fact that Blu-ray is now established, why mess up with another format? HD DVD, HD VMD, DVD 2.0, etc. - all of these things just mess up to hinder the growth of HDM.

[Sonny]

"Don't Nobody Talk BAD About Panasonic" ....Got a death wish.....

[JadedRaverLA]

Blu-ray delivers a knockout in round 1, and Toshiba tries to throw in a ringer to keep the match going. Nice try... but when your big man can't take a punch from Blu-ray, what makes you think your aging fighter can just because he has new gloves?

Originally Posted by djepic112

If true, wasn't it predicted that Toshiba would just try its best at keeping DVD fresh? What is this super up-converter by the way? I can't find info on it.

Super Upconversion is just another name for "Super Resolution," a process that's been available for quite awhile. Google that and you'll find a lot more hits. It's never been used as a real-time upconverter before, but it's the best way to upconvert video in an offline fashion. While standard upconversion uses only the information in the current frame to predict the additional pixels, super resolution uses information in the surrounding frames to attempt to predict the missing pixels. True Super Resolution works to create a new frame with exactly twice the horizontal and vertical resolution as the source. Anyone who has ever seen the results of Super Resolution can tell you that it beats bicubic and other forms of upscaling on very clean sources... especially those that have a nominal amount of movement between frames. That said, it's NO match for a truly higher resolution signal -- not by a long shot. Worse, using this method on a DVD player results in a 1440x960 frame, which isn't an HDTV standard (and is still using nonsquare pixels). So, the resulting "Super Resolution" frame still has to undergo another more standard conversion process to go to square pixles within a 1080p or 720p frame. By the time you're done, you've done 2 conversions, and will have 2 sets of artifacts from the different scaling methods.


For those who want to see the difference between TRUE 1080p, 480p from DVD, and Super Resolution DVD, I'll try to put together some video clips that can show off the difference. I'll try to post something here by the end of the week. PM me if anyone has a good looking 1080p source file they'd like to see the process applied to.

[funkybudda]

is this another MS attempt to talk Toshiba into helping them to stall the Blu-ray adoption? And how stupid can Toshiba be? I guess they are just sore losers, nothing else.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by funkybudda

is this another MS attempt to talk Toshiba into helping them to stall the Blu-ray adoption? And how stupid can Toshiba be? I guess they are just sore losers, nothing else.

It does sound like it. MS are now forced to adopt BR which is de facto going to subsidize SONY's gaming division, the sole reason why they sided with Toshiba.

Pro-B

[DavePS3]

It's hard to get most consumers on to HD because basically, Joe Consumer just gets damn tired of having to upgrade equipment every bloody year. We've seen some incredible leaps of technology in the last ten years or so. The resolutions and ways of getting the signal to the display have evolved so quickly that most consumers' heads are spinning - if they're paying attention.

Downloading will not become mass-evolving because it appeals only to renters who are not known for jumping on new technology and especially not known for spending more cash to get new equipment to do things like downloading. That is IF downloading gets to a point where you can get anything in the world you want, in a seamless, glitch-free 30 second spurt, all in real HD with 7.1 sound. And let's face it, most renters don't have killer systems to care about 7.1 anyway.

No, the real money, the real action is with quick educated adopters like us. Who doubts that without us, Blu-Ray (as well as HD-DVD) would have had one Hell of a time even getting off the ground? Most of us are collectors. We've done all the research, spent our extra cash on the newest and greatest technology and we demand the best software available to show it off if even, to ourselves. We want media we can watch and hear anytime we want it. To access the software easily because we own it. We bought it and it's all sitting on our shelves. We don't have a cardiac because we just lost our entire collection because of a hard drive crash... we get another player and go back to our shelves. No time limits, no late charges, no artifacting from shitty downloads... just solid entertainment and we're all doing the very best we can to help spread the word, aren't we? Damn right.

New formats will come and go. New technology will always continue forward. It never stagnates for long but remember this - we drive the industry. Our buying and influencing power is unequalled and nowhere does it say, that we have to jump on every hair-brained idea the clowns in the thnk-tanks, come up with? Whether Toshiba comes up with a lousy 960p idea at this stage or Microsoft introduces HD movies on a cracker... it doesn't matter because if we don't go for it... it'll die. All we need to do is keep doing what we're doing. Do the research, stay on the cutting edge and let questioning people know the truth. What goes around, comes around.

[Tanman19az]

Just let Toshiba waste more money I wanna see them go bankrupt!

[Kayne314]

Seems like another thinly veiled attempt to stall Blu-ray adoption in favor of downloads.

If Average Joe Consumer gets Blu-ray and experiences the quality and convenience of it, then it becomes a really hard sell to convince him to abandon convenience and quality for a crappy download.

I've said it many times. For Downloads to have a chance, they must kill Blu-ray off before it reaches a Mass-Adoption level. Once Blu-ray is in every Joe Consumer's home, downloads will get zero purchase on the home theater market. Nobody will accept a downgrade in PQ and AQ, not to mention increased Bandwidth costs when they know what REAL High Definition is.

DVD 2.0 is yet another tactic to confuse the consumers just long enough to make a viable download service. It is shameful it is this obvious.

[getblu]

as if Panasonic would go there.

[PLASMA-1080P-FULLHD]

Why would Panasonic invlove with M$? The title is misleading. Stop the FUD.

[saprano]

Yea i wonderd why the artical has Panasonic on the headline, ther not mentioned in the artical, but i just posted what was there, sorry.

[blu2]

Originally Posted by PLASMA-1080P-FULLHD

Why would Panasonic invlove with M$? The title is misleading. Stop the FUD.

Supposedly Panasonic co-chair's this new Working Group, so it's just guilt by some level of association. Doesn't mean much so far.

[Grubert]

The 'DVD 2.0' spec, along with super-upconversion, HDi, managed copy, and everything else except networking, comes from the fertile mind of...


...drum roll...

Deadmeat!!

Facts:

- The SC agreed upon creating WG-12 by 17-1-2 (only Pioneer voted no, and Philips and Sharp abstained; all others voted yes).

- The SC unanimously approved Microsoft and Panasonic

- The mandate of WG-12 is exclusively "To study and specify network applications and related network specification of DVD Forum formats, make recommendations for better interoperability and functionality of network connected DVD Forum specified devices and content, and communicate on relevant recommendations with other standard creation organizations"

[JohnAlden]

Where is Michale Bay...Nobody can stop the power of Michale Bay. Come on and save us from this piece of turd.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Grubert

The 'DVD 2.0' spec, along with super-upconversion, HDi, managed copy, and everything else except networking, comes from the fertile mind of...


...drum roll...

Deadmeat!!

Ah, that figures. It smelled like him.

That's all I needed to know to immediately dismiss all of this without further thought.

That guy really is a pestilence on the Internet.

[saprano]

Who changed my thread title? LOL

[Danger Duck]

Originally Posted by JTK

Ah, that figures. It smelled like him.

That's all I needed to know to immediately dismiss all of this without further thought.

That guy really is a pestilence on the Internet.

Does this mean that this entire story of DVD 2.0 is untrue?
I mean, this all being made up makes much more sense than it actually being true.

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Because DVD is an unfinished product and people should wait to buy into DVD until the 2.0 spec is finished and rolled out.

Logan

profiles for DVD players....

So are the new DVD 2.0 movies going to play on my current dvd player???? Probably not....

Oh wait, I will probably need a new player?

What does a consumer do...buy a SD player (again) or a REAL HD player - Blu-Ray player.