Prometheus (2012)

[MiguelS]

Rustam15, do you know if any directors cut has been announced?

[bsweetness]

Originally Posted by MiguelS

Rustam15, do you know if any directors cut has been announced?

Ridley Scott has said that the theatrical version is his director's cut. He turned down the opportunity to make an extended version of the film for the Blu-ray release, preferring to have the cut material included as deleted scenes. So, while an extended version isn't completely out of the question at some point in the future due to the fact that studios love double dips for more money, Scott seems opposed to it at this point.

[MiguelS]

That's good to know, would hate to get the collectors and see a new version released bit after. Thanks

[Rustam15]

Originally Posted by bsweetness

Ridley Scott has said that the theatrical version is his director's cut. He turned down the opportunity to make an extended version of the film for the Blu-ray release, preferring to have the cut material included as deleted scenes. So, while an extended version isn't completely out of the question at some point in the future due to the fact that studios love double dips for more money, Scott seems opposed to it at this point.

I'm actually glad that he's opposed to it. To be honest, and you're going to label me insane for saying this... But this movie is therapeutic to me. It's like a prayer, or just a really interesting dream. I have never felt this way about anything. While I see its flaws, I can't help but be hypnotized by it. Hence why I can't stop buying more copies for unexplainable reasons.
If they somehow changed it, I fear it would destroy my infatuation with it

[brian9229]

Originally Posted by Rustam15

I'm actually glad that he's opposed to it. To be honest, and you're going to label me insane for saying this... But this movie is therapeutic to me. It's like a prayer, or just a really interesting dream. I have never felt this way about anything. While I see its flaws, I can't help but be hypnotized by it. Hence why I can't stop buying more copies for unexplainable reasons.
If they somehow changed it, I fear it would destroy my infatuation with it

I enjoy this movie to about the same degree as i watch it about every other night, there is definitely something to this movie that makes me unflinch through the entire movie. I presently own this on vudu, not bluray, which is going to change shortly. Its without a doubt imo one of those rare kinds of movies that ill enjoy the rest of my life.

[davcole]

Originally Posted by brian9229

I enjoy this movie to about the same degree as i watch it about every other night, there is definitely something to this movie that makes me unflinch through the entire movie. I presently own this on vudu, not bluray, which is going to change shortly. Its without a doubt imo one of those rare kinds of movies that ill enjoy the rest of my life.

I really like the film once I let go the Alien prequel mindset. It's not great, but a good, very interesting film based on an interesting premise. Loved Noomi, Charlize, Guy and especially Michael Fassbinder in their roles! Great score! Let me add the best 7.1 mix I've heard!

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[_puRe]

I've ordered multiple 3D versions from Amazon for the past 2 months and none have had the slipcover. Has anyone got a slipcover on their 3D version from Amazon?

I've checked a few Best Buys but have only found a handful of 3D ones... and of course all were 'damaged'.

[Rustam15]

Originally Posted by _puRe

I've ordered multiple 3D versions from Amazon for the past 2 months and none have had the slipcover. Has anyone got a slipcover on their 3D version from Amazon?

I've checked a few Best Buys but have only found a handful of 3D ones... and of course all were 'damaged'.

I noticed that amazon's 3D version is pictured w/o a slipcover. So I'm not touching that with a 10 foot pole. As for BB, ask if they have anymore copies in the warehouse... There's a chance they won't be lame and actually go look.

[bsweetness]

Originally Posted by _puRe

I've ordered multiple 3D versions from Amazon for the past 2 months and none have had the slipcover. Has anyone got a slipcover on their 3D version from Amazon?

I've checked a few Best Buys but have only found a handful of 3D ones... and of course all were 'damaged'.

Mine from Amazon had a slipcover. But I preordered mine and it was delivered on release day.

The lack of a slipcover this long after release isn't unusual. If a slipcover is included, it's usually just the first batch or two of any given release. I wouldn't be surprised if more stores and sites start carrying the 3D version without the slip before long.

[MifuneFan]

If anyone just wants the bonus disc from the 3D version, someone is selling it on ebay for $3.49 shipped. They've sold over 100 so far and only have about 8 left. I won't link to them but just search for Promethus Blu-ray bonus and you should find it. They're totally legit, apparently they have a rental site so they just sell off the supplemental discs.

[brian9229]

Originally Posted by davcole

I really like the film once I let go the Alien prequel mindset. It's not great, but a good, very interesting film based on an interesting premise. Loved Noomi, Charlize, Guy and especially Michael Fassbinder in their roles! Great score! Let me add the best 7.1 mix I've heard!

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O absolutely, i thought Michael Fassbender was just phenomenal, pitch perfect!! The sound was sick as hell, agreed!

[davcole]

Originally Posted by brian9229

O absolutely, i thought Michael Fassbender was just phenomenal, pitch perfect!! The sound was sick as hell, agreed!

The sand storm alone is worth the disc! Incredible sound!

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[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by brian9229

O absolutely, i thought Michael Fassbender was just phenomenal, pitch perfect!! The sound was sick as hell, agreed!

[Rustam15]

Originally Posted by mifunefan

<3 :d

[Reubania]

Originally Posted by Gremal

No, it was a commentary on faith as opposed to empiricism, which is analogous to real life as opposed to technology. Jurassic Park (the Crichton book, not so much the movie) focused a lot on this too. Come to think of it, there was an interesting exchange in the movie in which Hammond is talking to Saddler and says he was ashamed of his flea circus early in his career because it was just an illusion. He was motivated to introduce "something real" and believed he had done so in bringing dinosaurs back from extinction. Saddler replies that it's still an illusion; it's not real and relies on technology. In the same vein, Malcolm says that Hammond's scientists were so focused on whether they "could" accomplish the biotech feat that they didn't stop to evaluate whether they "should", outlining the fact that technology lacks an ethical framework. New inventions can be used for good or evil, depending on who wields it.

Getting back to Prometheus, while it is never made totally clear why the engineers seek to destroy the human race they created, a big hint lies in the moment the one surviving engineer is driven to violence against the team: it is the instant he realizes that David is an android; that humans are now making their own uber-technological creations.

Prometheus (the Greek myth and the film) is concerned with the theme of divinity of life as expressed by faith versus the manipulation of life as expressed by scientific paradigm. Granted, there were other themes, but the end of the film

[Show spoiler]in which the sole survivor maintained her faith (as symbolized by her crucifix) and shoved aside the collective empirical/scientific knowledge of mankind (as symbolized by the android David's head that was subjugated into a duffel bag and zipped shut), as she blasted off into the cosmos--basically in search of God

proves that Prometheus was written to make a statement about faith vs science. To me, it was a more powerful statement than the tired old sci fi movies that cast scientists as geniuses.

+1,000,000

Originally Posted by Matsutake

Wow, great analysis. Some points I'd missed in there.

Originally Posted by Gremal

Thanks...there's a lot of food for thought in Prometheus. It's badly misunderstood.

Great points Gremal. And yes, hopefully this opens up the eyes to the naysayers who only wanted an Alien "prequel." This movie does have a lot of depth and symbolism and meaning despite it's flaws in the storyline and technical details.

[Reubania]

Originally Posted by mifunefan

lol!!! Hilar!!!!

[Rustam15]

Welp, 2 disc prometheus is on sale at BB @ $15.99. With upgrade and save it'll cost $10.99. Also my RZ certs... Err, yeah, mall time.

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by Reubania

+1,000,000

Great points Gremal. And yes, hopefully this opens up the eyes to the naysayers who only wanted an Alien "prequel." This movie does have a lot of depth and symbolism and meaning despite it's flaws in the storyline and technical details.

Thanks, yeah, the movie is badly misunderstood--the review on this site is one of countless examples. Critics and Alien fans alike mostly failed to understand what they were watching. As for the "real" prequel to Alien--it can still happen if Scott keeps the reigns and does the Prometheus sequel(s) properly.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Gremal

Getting back to Prometheus, while it is never made totally clear why the engineers seek to destroy the human race they created, a big hint lies in the moment the one surviving engineer is driven to violence against the team: it is the instant he realizes that David is an android; that humans are now making their own uber-technological creations..

I've only just seen the movie Friday for the first time so I haven't really processed it all through completely, and to be fair, part of the scene you're referring to was from a deleted/alternate scene so not all reviewers (or viewers) would see the full implication for why the engineer became violent. I personally don't think he did it merely because he found out that David is android. I think it had more to do with the dialogue that Weyland was saying. From what I recall he was saying that he and the engineer are alike, how they can both create something from nothing, while pointing at his creation David. I took the immediate reaction from the engineer to be an affront to that sentiment of equality. I interpret it to him saying you're a lesser being that's nothing like me, and to prove my superiority over you, I'll destroy your creation.

Now one thing that I feel needs to be addressed is the motive to destroy the humans. In the movie, it's theorized that the engineers one day went from welcoming humans, to wanting to destroy them. I was just thinking about this, and I'm starting to think that they never welcomed us in the first place. I mean, think about it, they put cave painting in various parts of the world showing a certain constellation, seemingly as a welcoming to come join them. But in reality, they weren't welcoming humans to their home planet. No, those constellations were to their military experiment planet. The very same experiments that they were planning to send to earth. That's hardly a welcoming party.

It's my theory that humans were created as an experiment, or part of some military project, just as the aliens were. I don't see any other reason why they would direct them to their military base rather than to their home planet. It's possible they created humans as test subjects with identical DNA to do alien-related testing on them, similar to how we do tests on animals for certain drugs, or military reasons.

Another possibility is that they were creating us as an extension of their army division. A subservient species with similar DNA, whose sole purpose were to be in the front line of whatever wars they waged. That would make sense with the directives to go to the military planet.

I definitely need to watch the movie again as I'm sure I'll get better clarity on some things.

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

I've only just seen the movie Friday for the first time so I haven't really processed it all through completely, and to be fair, part of the scene you're referring to was from a deleted/alternate scene so not all reviewers (or viewers) would see the full implication for why the engineer became violent.

No, the theatrical version clearly shows David's attempt to talk to the engineer as prompting the violence, and David is the first victim of the violence. This does not vary from any of the alternate/extended scenes.

I personally don't think he did it merely because he found out that David is android. I think it had more to do with the dialogue that Weyland was saying. From what I recall he was saying that he and the engineer are alike, how they can both create something from nothing, while pointing at his creation David. I took the immediate reaction from the engineer to be an affront to that sentiment of equality. I interpret it to him saying you're a lesser being that's nothing like me, and to prove my superiority over you, I'll destroy your creation.

You're pretty much saying the same thing I am: namely that humans are a reminder to the engineers of the emptiness of technological creation.

Now one thing that I feel needs to be addressed is the motive to destroy the humans. In the movie, it's theorized that the engineers one day went from welcoming humans, to wanting to destroy them. I was just thinking about this, and I'm starting to think that they never welcomed us in the first place. I mean, think about it, they put cave painting in various parts of the world showing a certain constellation, seemingly as a welcoming to come join them. But in reality, they weren't welcoming humans to their home planet. No, those constellations were to their military experiment planet. The very same experiments that they were planning to send to earth. That's hardly a welcoming party.

Those cave paintings were made tens of thousands of years before the engineers' decided to wipe out humanity. There is no reason to think they were using the moon as a "military experiment planet" until just before the engineers themselves succumbed to their own creation. Doubtful that would take even 5 years.

It's my theory that humans were created as an experiment, or part of some military project, just as the aliens were. I don't see any other reason why they would direct them to their military base rather than to their home planet. It's possible they created humans as test subjects with identical DNA to do alien-related testing on them, similar to how we do tests on animals for certain drugs, or military reasons.

There is nothing in the movie that even remotely hints at that. The myth of Prometheus itself--the namesake of the film--involves a demigod that fully believes in the promise of humanity. This STRONGLY suggests a benign motive for giving humans the gift of life and the knowledge to determine where they came from.

Another possibility is that they were creating us as an extension of their army division. A subservient species with similar DNA, whose sole purpose were to be in the front line of whatever wars they waged. That would make sense with the directives to go to the military planet.

Makes no sense given the lack of any such motive hinted in the film. The engineers show no sign of wars being waged.

I definitely need to watch the movie again as I'm sure I'll get better clarity on some things.

One thing you will not learn from repeated viewings is the myth of prometheus, which is really an allegory for the engineers. The statement made by Shaw when confronted by the fact that the engineers made us: "who made them" strongly suggests a higher/divine being that created the engineers just as the titans were lesser beings than the Gods in the myth of Prometheus.