Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[chris_sc77]

Wonder what the odds are that since this is going to focus on the Kids of SKywalkers/solo that they will have the same names/characteristics of the expanded Universe offspring.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by IronWaffle

I think Abrams will do fine. With Trek he was tasked with reinventing the wheel. Much as I thing the PT largely fails to fit stylistically and tonally with the OT, I doubt reinvention is what Disney is seeking.

As to live action, I'm cautiously optimistic that Abrams, Kennedy, Arndt and Kasdan (to whatever degree he's involved) will be using the OT as their creative guidepost and that VII-IX might be the best of both worlds (Lucas's love for envelope-pushing production toys... I mean tools), more fluid pacing and more energized performances (with less corridor walking).

maybe but i am doubting it. you mentioned the Original Trilogy as guideposts -Abrams has 79 episodes and 6 movies so guide him with Trek and he still didn't get it right. here, he has only 3 movies. but then again, the movies were supposed to be adventure movies - more flash than substance, high adventure but not a really deep, deep meaning. maybe Abrams is the perfect choice for a movie like that.

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by L-Rouge

Dude the last first three films didn't rhyme with the first last three

ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!

[Monolithium]

Originally Posted by L-Rouge

Dude the last first three films didn't rhyme with the first last three

They were poetry!

[IronWaffle]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

maybe but i am doubting it. you mentioned the Original Trilogy as guideposts -Abrams has 79 episodes and 6 movies so guide him with Trek and he still didn't get it right. here, he has only 3 movies. but then again, the movies were supposed to be adventure movies - more flash than substance, high adventure but not a really deep, deep meaning. maybe Abrams is the perfect choice for a movie like that.

I'm pretty much in agreement with you. I think. I'm reticent but hopeful.

As to Trek, it really was his audition reel for SW. I think where the PT went most astray is it wanted to be deep and thoughtful (oh, all that haughty politics and those Jedi lectures) but it wanted to be a kids movie (poo poo! C-3PO in the factory, one-liners in scenes calling for peril!). It couldn't really be all that. Abrams has no depth (I'd argue the only mystery in his mystery box is who wouldn't rather get what's behind Door #3?) and I'd argue that SW doesn't really either. Often, Trek doesn't either but that's the benefit of TV -- it can be different things different weeks.

I think Trek 09 shows that Abrams will follow SW's core strength: action buffeted by witty banter delivered by engaged actors (PT humor might have worked better with some umph, even with all those groaners -- oh, that sand! Wait, that wasn't supposed to be funny? Queue some CG hijinks!) and a few emotional quasi-mystical scenes. It's a more natural fit.

Regarding Trek, I liked it fine as a reboot. It cleared the deck and moved the pieces. My discs are still here. It energized things (that pun was an accident). But this sequel will, for me, decide if it was worth it. I like Trek's morality play foundation. That needs better representation than 09 had. If JJ hadn't landed SW I'd judge the new Trek more harshly, now having a better idea of what a third installment would hold. Now that he got his prized SW, for me, that pressure is off -- until the new creative ST team is decided, at which point I'll no doubt recalibrate my expectations all over again.

[IronWaffle]

Originally Posted by Monolithium

They were poetry!

References to poetry and Star Wars again? As someone with an academic background in poetry, you're making my ears bleed more than when my eyes bleed from reading sh!tty poetry.

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by IronWaffle

References to poetry and Star Wars again? As someone with an academic background in poetry, you're making my ears bleed more than when my eyes bleed from reading sh!tty poetry.

No one needs any kind of academic background to know that those prequels were not poetry!

[IronWaffle]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

No one needs any kind of academic background to know that those prequels were not poetry!

True, true. But honestly whenever I've seen Lucas nasally refer to unpoetic writing and direction as, "y'know poetry. It rhymes, you see" I nearly go into seizures. Poetry has a bad enough name already

For reference, if I could read his ACTUAL poetry I expect he'd rhyme "a" with "the".

[aiman04]

Lucas never claimed to be an expert of anything, if you notice, whenever he says something, like that rhymes and poetry stuffs, he always ends it with "I hope it'll work", he's never arrogant about it. Now whether it worked or not we all know already. But for me it kinda works, especially between Episodes I and IV.

I think veryone agrees, Lucas has great vision and ideas, just poor in execution.

[Kaiju]

Originally Posted by aiman04

I think veryone agrees, Lucas has great vision and ideas, just poor in execution.

Perhaps...

[HD Canuck]

Originally Posted by chris_sc77

Wonder what the odds are that since this is going to focus on the Kids of SKywalkers/solo that they will have the same names/characteristics of the expanded Universe offspring.

Has Shia signed on yet to play Solo jr.?

[IronWaffle]

Originally Posted by HD Canuck

Has Shia signed on yet to play Solo jr.?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlAuv...ature=youtu.be

http://youtu.be/27RVJJfny4I

[octagon]

Disney isn't going to within twelve parsecs of Shia after Nymphomaniac.

Rest easy, all.

[cudzndrips]

Sorry guys, it's either Anthony Ingruber for young Han Solo or nobody, period!

[BluRoo98]

Originally Posted by IronWaffle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlAuv...ature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27RVJ...ature=youtu.be

Seriously, while this youtube clip make me laugh everytime I see it, now I can NOT watch any movies with shia in them. I never noticed this on my own until I watched these clips and I will never be able to shake this "trigger". Its going to pull my focus out of EVERY movie he is in from now on.

[Monolithium]

Originally Posted by IronWaffle

References to poetry and Star Wars again? As someone with an academic background in poetry, you're making my ears bleed more than when my eyes bleed from reading sh!tty poetry.

But like with all the Greats, when it comes to poetry, there is so much going on in those films because they're dense.

[IronWaffle]

Originally Posted by Monolithium

But like with all the Greats, when it comes to poetry, there is so much going on in those films because they're dense.

I'm not familiar with all the Greats, so I can't debate. I would argue that density has multiple connotations, some of which I believe apply to Lucas. I'd also suggest that sometimes density is a euphemism for clutter. For kicks, check out Ezra Pound's vast recommended revisions to and criticisms of his (friend and protégé) T.S. Eliot's "The Waste-Land". His shrewd and sometimes brutal comments and extensive recommended edits improved one of the 20th Century's most highly regarded and historically dense modern poems. Such critical input could possibly have helped Lucas revise his "poems."

Keep in mind, this is not to say I don't enjoy the PT, flaws and all (yep, I own 'em). I do, but I would argue that outside of areas production they range from artistic failures to missed opportunities.

Anyhoo, time for me to take a break from SW: The Poetry Debate (which must be boring to most and pretentious to all). Just pop in the discs and enjoy them in the ways you do.

[Duffy12]

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Monday, February 25, 2013

Exclusive Update: Alfonso Cuaron Lining Up For STAR WARS Ep VIII? Simon Pegg Going STAR WARS On Us?

You all know by now that we have some great sources embedded in key franchises - one of which is the mighty STAR WARS universe. Well the same source that gave us the exclusive that the third STAR WARS trilogy is going to happen, in 3D, without Lucas directing, that it will focus on the Skywalker offspring, and that the trilogy will follow in the original trilogy's tone is back.

So what's cooking now? How about Alfonso Cuaron getting up close and personal? I mentioned Episode VIII, but it could be Episode IX as well (or both for that matter). I would LOVE to see a STARS WARS movie directed by Cuaron. So many people are going to have the light turned on as to how brilliant a director he is after they see GRAVITY this year.

Anyway, I won't further spoil the spy info - so read on and we'll discuss afterwards!

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As far as I know Episode 7 was then, and is now, focusing on the Skywalker's offspring. As I told you before, I believe duel personalities develop, akin to Anakin and Obi Wan, and Luke and Vader in the first trilogies, which as far as I am aware, is the driving force behind the new trilogy. Things may change however, but I doubt it, this has been long in the making.

The focus is on the original trilogy in regards of reverence and tone. Remember I told you before that the tone was important, well I believe they are really taking that seriously. From everything I know, they're focusing on that directly. Remember everything has the ability to change drastically, as Star Wars right now apart from the twin trilogies is a huge blank canvas. However, the trilogies ongoing narrative will continue to focus on that particular branch, whereas the stand alone movies, will fill and expand the voids in between in multiple timelines, and have potential to then be franchised themselves in regards to the worlds they open up.

Yoda, Palpatine, Jabba, Boba, Plagueis etc.

I believe they are very clued into what fans would and wouldn't like, and considering Mr Ford himself may not be done with his character yet, I wouldn't start picketing Lucasfilm about young Han Solo movies being made just yet. Which I was led to believe couldn't be further from how they want to move forward creatively anyway.

Harrison Ford has been approached, he has not turned it down, and is from everything I hear, very interested in returning to the role of Han Solo again, but is not signed as was reported recently. Negotiating may be a better choice of words right now. Hope it shakes out.

Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher were also approached a long time ago, as was ford, and a few other key players. I would all but guarantee, they will be in Episode 7, and I would be confident that Ford will return too. If the universe aligns correctly.

J.J. Abrams name was brought up to me numerous times, but only in reference to re-brand and ground up respect for world building that the franchise was looking to take back then. Very sneaky. Interesting to see he was offered the most coveted and feared gig in cinema history. Ultimately he is the perfect choice to direct episode 7, and set up the franchise to steward through the first trilogy. The names I mentioned to you before, remember them (EDITOR'S NOTE: my source's director list can be found here).[/COLOR] Alfonso Cuaron especially. Trust me.

J.J. Abrams mystery cube or whatever he is calling it today, is in full effect, Star Wars news is going to be very thin on the ground for the foreseeable future, but expect Simon Pegg to be involved in some capacity. Can't say why, but lets just say I have a strong feeling about that.

Star Wars fans, Kathleen and J.J have your interests at heart.

So, very interesting!! And what is Simon Pegg doing with STAR WARS? Ideas? Is he jumping with Abrams in some fashion? Clearly he is deep in STAR TREK but being the miracle worker that Scotty is, apparently Pegg is needed in the STAR WARS universe as well!

And Cuaron? Hopefully that happens. As of right now it is in the works, so fingers crossed! More exclusive STAR WARS, AVATAR and HOBBIT info when I get it!

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I seem to remember that there was a Star Wars VIII thread around here somewhere. If so, can a mod please merge it with that one if it still exists please.

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[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

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I seem to remember that there was a Star Wars VIII thread around here somewhere. If so, can a mod please merge it with that one if it still exists please.

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Hmm...curiouser and curiouser...

[ObiTrentKenobi]

As long as there is no character who's description is listed anything like "animated comic relief"... I will be very happy!

EDIT: And while i'm at it... no CG main characters at all!