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sukraj · 03-20-2013, 09:27 AM

I hope it gets a new transfer.

Nighteyes · 03-20-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BenjaminG

Are you serious? The Avengers 3D transfer is amazing.

It is only amazing as long as CGI is involved. Which has been rendered in 3D in the first place. Real-only footage is pretty flat on Avengers. In some places I started to wonder whether my display had the hiccups and had switched to 2D somehow.

WesReviews · 03-20-2013, 01:51 PM

Didn't Fox go back and make Patton right with a re-release? If so, they're surely aware how unpopular DNR is.

Given Predator: UHE is one of the worst and most well-known examples of DNR, I would think they'd try to fix it, much like Patton.

WorkShed · 03-20-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nighteyes

It is only amazing as long as CGI is involved. Which has been rendered in 3D in the first place. Real-only footage is pretty flat on Avengers. In some places I started to wonder whether my display had the hiccups and had switched to 2D somehow.

I think it depends on the post-production work to convert the 3D. Most are weak and others can look amazing (Titanic). Titanic actually made it seem like the film was shot in 3D.

HD Goofnut · 03-20-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BenjaminG

Are you serious? The Avengers 3D transfer is amazing.

Again, it was entirely shot in 2D.

DetroitSportsFan · 03-20-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WesReviews

Didn't Fox go back and make Patton right with a re-release? If so, they're surely aware how unpopular DNR is.

Given Predator: UHE is one of the worst and most well-known examples of DNR, I would think they'd try to fix it, much like Patton.

We can only hope.

Nighteyes · 03-20-2013, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by WorkShed

I think it depends on the post-production work to convert the 3D. Most are weak and others can look amazing (Titanic). Titanic actually made it seem like the film was shot in 3D.

Yeah, I know that Titanic is probably the best conversion yet. But I was surprised they did such a shabby conversion job with an $220mio movie like Avengers.

nagysaudio · 03-20-2013, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BenjaminG

Are you serious? The Avengers 3D transfer is amazing.

Actually, The Avengers looks atrocious. Terrible conversion and hideous picture quality shot with garbage 2.3K digital cameras. The past decade of movies in particular are extremely ugly and have the worst picture quality in cinema's history.

ilovelamp · 03-20-2013, 04:54 PM

Why in hell would they release this movie in 3D? Honestly. I'm a huge fan of this movie but have zero interest in seeing these older movies converted to 3D. In fact I have pretty much zero interest in any 3D movies. I really wish 3D would just hurry up and die out.

retablo · 03-20-2013, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sukraj

I hope it gets a new transfer.

The UHE WAS a new transfer of a supposedly new master. They just mucked it up with DNR. It won't get ANOTHER new transfer, but they CAN go back and remove the manipulation done to the UHE.

Again, it still will only look marginally better than the original release, because that's how the film always looked.

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Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=5821

A Fox exec defended a BD release from his studio. Go figure....

Well, he IS right about one thing - the film stock was terrible, resulting in a super grainy picture (coupled with the darkness of the jungle, high ISOs, and all the optical blow-ups they used when re-editing the film). So, he's right that it will never look that good. I doubt, however, that Foz will do anything liek that again, because even though they say the criticism wasn't deserved, they DID learn from it (and fixed Patton).

Bruisermoore · 03-20-2013, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemmy Lugosi

This.

And, the UHE will likely look pretty good in 3D....one of the biggest gripes people have about 3D is how dark the picture looks.

Not this one, folks!!!!

And, finally, not everyone is appalled by the UHE, anyway.

No matter which transfer they use, my ass will be in a seat when it comes out.

Yup. I'll be there opening night for sure. This has been one of my most watched movies over the years, on all the various formats, ever since is was a kid. I can't wait!

HeavyHitter · 03-20-2013, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WesReviews

Didn't Fox go back and make Patton right with a re-release? If so, they're surely aware how unpopular DNR is.

Given Predator: UHE is one of the worst and most well-known examples of DNR, I would think they'd try to fix it, much like Patton.

Keep in mind before the UHE release, many people on every forum complained the movie was too damn grainy. So, what did Fox do on the UHE? Gave them what they wanted and took things further to in essence create a video game look to the film.

raygendreau · 03-20-2013, 05:56 PM

Some of you are missing the point. It is not about high quality, it is about content. 3D broadcasters and other 3D media providers will have to buy into this to make it work. Blu-ray sales alone wont do it. Fox and JVC think the price is right with this cheap conversion process to make this happen. It is still in the trial balloon stage. The more 3D content available, the faster the adoption rate of 3D for the home entertainment market. That is the objective. http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...ntent-drought/

40 to 50 new 3D titles per year isn't enough.

The selection of Predator for conversion is a no brainer, due to its continuing popularity. If other studios follow Fox's lead, for better or worse, we will see a lot of catalogue conversions. I hope this happens. There are several war movies I would add to my collection if converted.

fitprod · 03-20-2013, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by retablo

The UHE WAS a new transfer of a supposedly new master. They just mucked it up with DNR. It won't get ANOTHER new transfer, but they CAN go back and remove the manipulation done to the UHE.

But the DNR was built into Fox's new master... It was not added during the video encoding phase. They'd still have to go back and change the master.

fitprod

retablo · 03-20-2013, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by fitprod

But the DNR was built into Fox's new master... It was not added during the video encoding phase. They'd still have to go back and change the master.

fitprod

DNR is not build into a scan. So they still have the unaltered scan the can go back to.

Lemmy Lugosi · 03-20-2013, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Blu-21

The UHE transfer with the contrast boosting and DNR was pretty much made for the 3D conversion anyway, it never should have existed in 2D form to begin with.

This is just a shameless cheap cash in by the studios who will rush this out because some sheep out there will follow. Sorry if I offended any one, but this film was NEVER made with 3D cameras nor was it ever intended to be seen in 3D. Its a similar argument made when the UHE first hit the streets. The film was never shot with digital modern HD cameras, so trying to tweak the contrast, brightness, sharpness and then removing all the grain from the picture makes it look worse because not only does that grain hold information, but you are altering the product of its soul.

Wow, and I thought that I liked Predator a lot! Your health will improve, my dear fellow, if you will just take some deep breaths and repeat after me: it's just entertainment...it's only a movie...it's just entertainment...it's only a movie...it's just entertainment...it's only a movie...

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Originally Posted by Bruisermoore

Yup. I'll be there opening night for sure. This has been one of my most watched movies over the years, on all the various formats, ever since is was a kid. I can't wait!

metaridley · 03-20-2013, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by nagysaudio

The past decade of movies in particular are extremely ugly and have the worst picture quality in cinema's history.

Nah, that would be the 80s.

Hussun1 · 03-20-2013, 11:10 PM

I really hope this is a new transfer, this deserves a 4k remaster. I'll only buy this if it's a massive improvement over the last one, and just put the disc in my lovely steelbook.

HD Goofnut · 03-21-2013, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hussun1

I really hope this is a new transfer, this deserves a 4k remaster. I'll only buy this if it's a massive improvement over the last one, and just put the disc in my lovely steelbook.

It already received a new master in 2010, but then Fox DNRed the crap out of it. I what that new master unmolested on a BD-50 with an AVC encode as do most of us here.

fitprod · 03-21-2013, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by retablo

DNR is not build into a scan. So they still have the unaltered scan the can go back to.

Yeah, but will they...

fitprod

03-20-2013, 05:56 PM	#73
raygendreau Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Oct 2008 Blu-ray reviews: 1	Some of you are missing the point. It is not about high quality, it is about content. 3D broadcasters and other 3D media providers will have to buy into this to make it work. Blu-ray sales alone wont do it. Fox and JVC think the price is right with this cheap conversion process to make this happen. It is still in the trial balloon stage. The more 3D content available, the faster the adoption rate of 3D for the home entertainment market. That is the objective. http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...ntent-drought/ 40 to 50 new 3D titles per year isn't enough. The selection of Predator for conversion is a no brainer, due to its continuing popularity. If other studios follow Fox's lead, for better or worse, we will see a lot of catalogue conversions. I hope this happens. There are several war movies I would add to my collection if converted. Last edited by raygendreau; 03-21-2013 at 02:19 PM.

03-20-2013, 09:27 AM	#61
sukraj Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2011 Location:UK 4K collection:19 Blu-ray collection:154 DVD collection:18	I hope it gets a new transfer.

03-20-2013, 01:51 PM	#63
WesReviews Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2013 4K collection:42 Blu-ray collection:1411 DVD collection:1033	Didn't Fox go back and make Patton right with a re-release? If so, they're surely aware how unpopular DNR is. Given Predator: UHE is one of the worst and most well-known examples of DNR, I would think they'd try to fix it, much like Patton.

03-20-2013, 04:54 PM	#69
ilovelamp Banned Member since:Mar 2013	Why in hell would they release this movie in 3D? Honestly. I'm a huge fan of this movie but have zero interest in seeing these older movies converted to 3D. In fact I have pretty much zero interest in any 3D movies. I really wish 3D would just hurry up and die out.

03-20-2013, 11:10 PM	#78
Hussun1 Power Member Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Blackburn, UK Blu-ray collection:52 Blu-ray reviews: 33 Trading Score:6	I really hope this is a new transfer, this deserves a 4k remaster. I'll only buy this if it's a massive improvement over the last one, and just put the disc in my lovely steelbook.

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