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Old 04-27-2013, 04:44 AM   #69741
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That's two for For All Mankind, I had it on my amazon wish list, and been enjoying Brian Eno's (with Daniel Lanois colloboration) film score for years. It is strange I have yet to buy the blu ray. Thank you for recommendations, I will definitely look into the other one.

Philip Glass' film score for Fog of War elevated the film to greatness.
Fog of War, Crumb and For All Mankind are all great films.

Here's a bunch of great ones:

The House is Black (only 20 minutes, available on youtube, if you liked Night and Fog: SEE THIS IMMEDIATELY), Thin Blue Line, Night and Fog, Hoop Dreams, High School, Fast Cheap & Out of Control Koyaanisqatsi, Baraka, Man on Wire, Aileen Wournos: The Selling of a Serial Killer, Waltz with Bashir, Man with a Movie Camera, Don't Look Back, Times of Harvey Milk, Stop Making Sense, Capturing the Friedmans, In the Year of The Pig, Hotel Terminus, Nanook of the North....
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Old 04-27-2013, 04:47 AM   #69742
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The Game is terrible. M. Night Shyamalan could have written a better ending.
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Old 04-27-2013, 04:48 AM   #69743
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Night and Fog would be my go-to rec. for Criterion documentaries. I can't wait to see Shoah though.

For Tarkovsky, I prefer Solaris, by quite the margin. I've only seen three of his films total, but that is also my favorite overall.
Solaris is one of my very favorite films

Have you seen Stalker? I'm sure if Criterion releases it, people will be talking about it as much as World on A Wire.
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Old 04-27-2013, 04:49 AM   #69744
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Fog of War, Crumb and For All Mankind are all great films.

Here's a bunch of great ones:

The House is Black (only 20 minutes, available on youtube, if you liked Night and Fog: SEE THIS IMMEDIATELY), Thin Blue Line, Night and Fog, Hoop Dreams, High School, Fast Cheap & Out of Control Koyaanisqatsi, Baraka, Man on Wire, Aileen Wournos: The Selling of a Serial Killer, Waltz with Bashir, Man with a Movie Camera, Don't Look Back, Times of Harvey Milk, Stop Making Sense, Capturing the Friedmans, In the Year of The Pig, Hotel Terminus, Nanook of the North....
Thanks for the recommendations.
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Old 04-27-2013, 04:52 AM   #69745
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The Game is terrible. M. Night Shyamalan could have written a better ending.


You mean a better "twist".
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Old 04-27-2013, 05:00 AM   #69746
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Thanks for the recommendations.
You can't go wrong with any of those, but first and foremost I suggest you watch House is Black. Again it's only 20 minutes and is available on YouTube. Other than La Jettee, I've never encountered a more potent short film.

If you like Resnais, I think you'll really love this one. A couple weeks ago, I reccomended it to DJMethod, a full page review surfaced a day or two later and he was ecstatic about it. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=32127
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You can't go wrong with any of those, but first and foremost I suggest you watch House is Black. Again it's only 20 minutes and is available on YouTube. Other than La Jettee, I've never encountered a more potent short film.
That reminds me..I don't remember ever hearing your thoughts on Sans Soleil and I'd be really interested in knowing what you think of it. It's one of my favorites.
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does "12 angry men" take place all in the court room? i was just thinking the other day watching judge judy "i wonder if there is any film that takes place all in the court room and dirty secrets about the prosecutors/defense during hte film". I happened to click on 12 angry men cuz i liked the art and searched a trailer, and it appears as though its almost exactly what i was just thinking about?
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does "12 angry men" take place all in the court room? i was just thinking the other day watching judge judy "i wonder if there is any film that takes place all in the court room and dirty secrets about the prosecutors/defense during hte film". I happened to click on 12 angry men cuz i liked the art and searched a trailer, and it appears as though its almost exactly what i was just thinking about?
Close. Almost all of it takes place in a jury room during deliberation.
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does "12 angry men" take place all in the court room? i was just thinking the other day watching judge judy "i wonder if there is any film that takes place all in the court room and dirty secrets about the prosecutors/defense during hte film". I happened to click on 12 angry men cuz i liked the art and searched a trailer, and it appears as though its almost exactly what i was just thinking about?
I'd say about 90% of it takes place in the jury room.
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Old 04-27-2013, 05:18 AM   #69751
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That reminds me..I don't remember ever hearing your thoughts on Sans Soleil and I'd be really interested in knowing what you think of it. It's one of my favorites.
That's another one I have to revisit (the first time I saw it was very late at night). I feel like I have to see it a bit earlier in the day, because its just brimming with ideas. The first thirty minutes alone could inspire an essay.

What did you think about the Vertigo angle?
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Old 04-27-2013, 05:18 AM   #69752
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Close. Almost all of it takes place in a jury room during deliberation.
nice. im gonna definitely have to get that during a criterion sale. thanks
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What did you think about the Vertigo angle?
He clearly has a love for Vertigo, which causes it to be as prominent as it is. There's this interesting parallel in relation to the nature of memory in Sans Soleil. Vertigo is a film where observations and watching ordinary things happen (well, voyeurism) leads to a fatal obsession/fascination. The observations in Sans Soleil are foreign to the narrator, but ordinary to us...yet we grow fascinated with them, with the way the film presents them to us as if they're something new to us as well.

I hope you get to see it soon...I'd like to see it again, myself.

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Old 04-27-2013, 06:06 AM   #69754
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I like this observation! One of my favorite Repo Man scenes involves Otto eating the generic food at his parents' house. I always laugh out loud when I'm watching that scene. The violence in the movie, paired with the consumerism comedy, was such a fun commentary on the 1980s culture.
Thanks! Yeah, in that scene, I love when
[Show spoiler]his mom tells him that he'll "enjoy it more" if he were to eat it on a plate, and he tells her that he couldn't possibly enjoy it any more. That is hilarious. Emilio's delivery there was perfect. Related to his character, I also think the dangling cross earring is pretty classic and funny,
part of the great nostalgia of the film that you described earlier. There is just so much that is fun in Repo Man, the music especially rocks.

I've been thinking about other aspects of Repo Man in terms of
[Show spoiler]an anti-road movie of sorts, a claustrophobic road movie, a road movie that doesn't go anywhere, a movie that basically loops around and around from scene to scene, most of them involving transactions and hi-jinks of some kind or another related to moving cars, the characters are constantly moving in and out of cars, and within a set of dense cinematic arenas (highway chases, the repo company hq, gas stations).

Repo Man has a particular kind of relation to the pastoral. We never really go there, except in the beginning scene, indeed, the scene from which we then descend into Los Angeles, but, importantly, a largely unidentifiable, anonymous, and barren Los Angeles. (At least I assumed they were in LA.) Or, in some ways, this movie transforms LA into a pastoral landscape, with the dusty and weedy parking lots and dust-strewn empty alleyways and side-streets, a kind of urban badlands.

So in spite of this largely being about cars, and being framed from the beginning (via the use of the map during the credits and the opening scene in the desert) as a movie that will take place on the open road, the movie left me with a somewhat claustrophobic feeling and the feeling of a concrete jungle. The cinematography (which is very effective and often outstanding) by and large keeps things close and tight, and the constant hum of the movie - the music seems constant, there is the grumbling of the Malibu, and characters are always doing something to add to the claustrophobia, like when Emilio is in one scene playing a random musical instrument, or they crush beer cans or other tins, or their cars are rumbling. It would be interesting to consider these aspects of Repo Man with the ways that senses of space - if the road feels open or narrow, expansive or tight - in movies that by and large take place on roads. Where is the "horizon" of experience in the particular movie? Because in Repo Man it oftentimes feels very close to the street, and I think that this characteristic lends a gritty edge to the movie that relates to the critical commentary about, say, social inequality and petty crime in the 1980s. Keeping the horizon tight might be a symbol for limited mobility or social mobility?

Since the horizon feels, at least to me, confined, there is a stark contrast between the little network of car thieves and traders and the (concept of) the outside world. Where does the "rest of the world" figure in Repo Man? Does it exist? Is there real police? The movie feels like it exists outside of society (but in a different way than Easy Rider, which achieves something similar). Even the spacesuits belong to some nebulous non-organization, no concrete reference to a state or a government or an area of science or security, just white suits, like the generic labeled tins of "drink" and "food."

This tight focus also underscores the comments that the film also makes about foreign policy. The outside world is referenced, such as when the television news reporting is playing in the background, while Emilio is reading "Outlaws" magazine in the company office, and the news reports on political violence in Mexico. The outside world enters in the forms of music, much of which is Latin, commodities (which are all generic), background news reports, discussions about "weirdness" and the rise of conspiracy theories and obsessions with UFOs, and subtle references in the screenplay to outside events, as in that same conversation, about how people are "disappearing" in South America, a reference no doubt to the disappearances of many, many Chileans under Pinochet's dictatorship. And this is a technique that Cuaron also used, playing politically relevant and critical news in the background in moments in Y Tu Mama Tambien.


Given these thoughts about open and narrow roads and spaces, I'm keen on thinking more about how Repo Man might compare to and resonate with, say, these most excellent road films http://www.criterion.com/explore/189-road-trips

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does anyone know other great documentaries, especially from criterion or on blu ray?
You could check out London in the Raw & Primitive London from BFI. Subject matter isn't dead serious and it's not just "candid" footage but the packages are excellent and the transfers are suprisingly gorgeous. Worth checking out the reviews at least:

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Londo...-Blu-ray/4599/

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Primi...-Blu-ray/4595/

If you want to get them, ignore those releases. They're over priced OOP ones. Go for the Duel format releases. They're the current ones. Same product but a DVD is included too.
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Old 04-27-2013, 07:57 AM   #69756
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I really, really want Criterion to re-release "Kwaidan" on Blu-ray! Their DVD that was released 13 years ago is atrocious (a really shoddy transfer, over 20 minutes of footage missing). What are they waiting for? This is one of the most visually dazzling films ever made and would look beautiful on Blu-ray.
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After Criterion didn't announce Tess in their July batch, I ordered the UK release as I couldn't wait to see the new restoration any longer. Watched it tonight and it is gorgeous, and one of my favorite blu's in my collection. One thing the release is missing that Criterion could improve on, is an audio commentary with Polanski and Kinski, together or two separate ones. How is Polanski's history with commentaries?

Tess is one of the most criminally underrated masterpieces out there. Superb acting by everyone. Polanski's camera work, the cinematography, and the set design are all first rate. Such a rich story with a fascinating female character. Epic 3 hour drama with never a dull moment. Glad I picked it up now instead of waiting.
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After Criterion didn't announce Tess in their July batch, I ordered the UK release as I couldn't wait to see the new restoration any longer. Watched it tonight and it is gorgeous, and one of my favorite blu's in my collection. One thing the release is missing that Criterion could improve on, is an audio commentary with Polanski and Kinski, together or two separate ones. How is Polanski's history with commentaries?
He did one for the original LaserDisc release years ago of Repulsion, which was then used again for the blu-ray. But since the recent Rosemary's Baby didn't have one, nor did Cul-de-Sac or the DVD of Knife in the Water, I wouldn't count on it for Tess.
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He did one for the original LaserDisc release years ago of Repulsion, which was then used again for the blu-ray. But since the recent Rosemary's Baby didn't have one, nor did Cul-de-Sac or the DVD of Knife in the Water, I wouldn't count on it for Tess.
Oh thanks. So Repulsion is the one and only commentary he's EVER done? When I got the blu ray years ago I wasn't into to commentaries at the time so I haven't heard it yet. Is it any good?
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So I just finished The Game.

I thought it was pretty ridiculous when it was released and when I bought it a few weeks ago (Amazon had it marked down for some reason) I didn't really expect that to change but I was still kind of hoping it would.

It didn't. If anything, it seemed even more ridiculous.

I've always liked Fincher. His films always struck me as fairly standard Hollywood fare that were very well made and there's nothing wrong with that. But I recently rerererewatched Fight Club and rewatched Zodiac and that started to change a little. I still wouldn't use the word great to describe either him or any of his films but I might be inching a little bit more in that direction. His attention to mood and detail go well beyond mere technical excellence and there's something about the way he paces storytelling that I find very appealing.

I don't see a lot of that in The Game though. It just seemed very manipulative and kind of by-the-numbers.

Still, there are worse ways to spend $16.50, I guess.

(Hell, I know there are worse ways to spend $16.50)
I'm not a huge Fincher fan. I really like Zodiac though. The Game works mainly because of Douglas. He's the perfect man to play rich pr!cks. It's not a great film by no means, and I don't quite understand the need of this being in the collection, but it has its moments. I'm not planning on purchasing it because I feel that once you know the twist, it simply becomes a little meh. One of those films I could see myself watching maybe a few times and call it a day.
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