Lethal Weapon 2

[marzetta7]

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/lethalweapon2.html

Ok, this is another one that's going in my collection. I love all the Lethal Weapons--Mel's mullet and all! Looks like yet another good Blu-ray transfer...this is awesome.

HDDVD (with being first out with Lethal Weapon 2): "Diplomatic Immunity!"

Blu-ray (as played by Murtaugh and having had a slower and bumpy start): [insert neck roll here] *shoots HDDVD between the eyes*

Ahh yeah, I said it!

[JTK]

Warner really deserves kudos for doing right by both formats all the way.

That being said, if you're into BD already or are going to be...seeing these discs come out like this really just boil things down to the barest essentials:

You buy HD-DVD if you just can't live a little while without Universal Studios, because everything else is coming to BD anyways, and in good-great form.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by JTK

Warner really deserves kudos for doing right by both formats all the way.

That being said, if you're into BD already or are going to be...seeing these discs come out like this really just boil things down to the barest essentials:

You buy HD-DVD if you just can't live a little while without Universal Studios, because everything else is coming to BD anyways, and in good-great form.

That and if your impatient and can't wait for a release date on the other studio's titles (Last Samurai-Unforgiven) for example, or if you want the Dolby TruHD 5.1 soundtrack offered on some WB titles not showing up on BD, ie: Training day, Constantine*, TROY* (vertict still out on those last* two) But warner has really shown they are the BEST studio out there.

[BTBuck1]

Blu Disc just needs some exclusive content now to make it the clear cut advantage now.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Brian@BBY

That and if your impatient and can't wait for a release date on the other studio's titles (Last Samurai-Unforgiven) for example, or if you want the Dolby TruHD 5.1 soundtrack offered on some WB titles not showing up on BD, ie: Training day, Constantine*, TROY* (vertict still out on those last* two) But warner has really shown they are the BEST studio out there.

Agreed on the Universal discs, obviously, but I think that's going to change come about 2nd quarter of 07 thereabouts.

What's the lead time here between HD-DVD discs and their BD counterparts. 4-8 weeks max?

I can wait.



Ironic to see you making some of these audio points vs. what you wrote in our very own Training Day thread here a while back. It's like a different person writing some of this now.

You've flip-flopped on some things.

I'm all for uncompressed PCM myself, above all else.

[Dr Kain]

Originally Posted by JTK

Warner really deserves kudos for doing right by both formats all the way.

Agreed, they deserve credit for both formats.

You buy HD-DVD if you just can't live a little while without Universal Studios, because everything else is coming to BD anyways, and in good-great form.

I disagree as I doubt we will ever see Universal work with Sony. I feel the opposite as more companies will start releasing movies on HD-DVD, which has proven to be the superior format when it comes to video quality. Blu-Ray has the disc space (if they can actually get them working) and the studio support, but that is it. Except for WB's discs and Underworld Evolution, I have not seen one BR movie that looked better than its DVD counterpart.

Maybe this will change when the Sony and Pioneer players come out next month, but until then, HD-DVD wins hands down. Regardless, I doubt we will see either format declare a complete victory for at least 3 years.

[PeterTHX]

Dr. Kain, thank you for that threadcrap & trip back in time to early August.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Maybe this will change when the Sony and Pioneer players come out next month, but until then, HD-DVD wins hands down.

I think you're living in dream world.

Regardless, I doubt we will see either format declare a complete victory for at least 3 years.

I think it will be a lot sooner than that IF the BDA delivers on ALL the goods starting in 4th quarter of this year, like indicators are pointing to.

Lets see if this fits a certain person

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[JTK]

Originally Posted by kevinca1

Lets see if this fits a certain person

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https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ed=1#post20501

No longer a problem.


Anyways, back on topic: I hope all 4 Lethal Weapon movies come out here eventually. I'd probably wait to get them all in box set or something.

[ProvenFlipper]

Originally Posted by JTK

Anyways, back on topic: I hope all 4 Lethal Weapon movies come out here eventually. I'd probably wait to get them all in a box set or something.

I was hoping for the same thing... I've never seen the first 3 Lethal weapon movies, so BD would be a great way for me to have my first experience.

[KenThompson]

Where did we find the Dr. His comments thru out seem to indicate a very negative view of blu ray. His love of HD DVD is so apparent, maybe he forgets which forum he is in. AVS has a spot there with his name on it.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by KenThompson

Where did we find the Dr. His comments thru out seem to indicate a very negative view of blu ray. His love of HD DVD is so apparent, maybe he forgets which forum he is in. AVS has a spot there with his name on it.

Definitely.

Originally Posted by ProvenFlipper

I was hoping for the same thing... I've never seen the first 3 Lethal weapon movies, so BD would be a great way for me to have my first experience.

Wow, you're in for a MAJOR treat. I LOVE these films!

[TallCoolOne]

hey all,
i just got this bluray movie and i have to say it's the worst looking one i've seen. It's not the old film glitches like dust and speckles or noise that bothers me, the whole movie just looks very low resolution with tons of aliasing. At first I thought something was wrong with my setup like maybe i was in 480p for some reason but nope, it's just the movie. In fact, I think my original DVD of the same movie being upconverted through my DVDO VP50 processor looks quite a bit better than the BD playing from my PS3. Anyone else have this and seeing these major jaggies in it? the hi-def digest site didn't comment on this in their review so i was wondering what's up, is it just my copy?
thanks

[Chad Varnadore]

Originally Posted by TallCoolOne

hey all,
i just got this bluray movie and i have to say it's the worst looking one i've seen. It's not the old film glitches like dust and speckles or noise that bothers me, the whole movie just looks very low resolution with tons of aliasing. At first I thought something was wrong with my setup like maybe i was in 480p for some reason but nope, it's just the movie. In fact, I think my original DVD of the same movie being upconverted through my DVDO VP50 processor looks quite a bit better than the BD playing from my PS3. Anyone else have this and seeing these major jaggies in it? the hi-def digest site didn't comment on this in their review so i was wondering what's up, is it just my copy?
thanks

It's the disc. Warner has all but admitted fault. They've corrected the problem since then. Though, considering the nature of the problem, in that filtering caused it, still makes their high def authoring somewhat suspect. Other titles specifically affected include with both loss and aliasing: The Fugitive, Full Metal Jacket, Perfect Storm (hopefully why PS has been delayed), and Lethal Weapon 1. Though considering the unnatural softness of Unforgiven, Lady in the Water, and some others, you have to wonder if they're still filtering some of their titles, but they just figured out how to do so without introducing aliasing.

[TallCoolOne]

Originally Posted by Chad Varnadore

It's the disc. Warner has all but admitted fault. They've corrected the problem since then. Though, considering the nature of the problem, in that filtering caused it, still makes their high def authoring somewhat suspect. Other titles specifically affected include with both loss and aliasing: The Fugitive, Full Metal Jacket, Perfect Storm (hopefully why PS has been delayed), and Lethal Weapon 1. Though considering the unnatural softness of Unforgiven, Lady in the Water, and some others, you have to wonder if they're still filtering some of their titles, but they just figured out how to do so without introducing aliasing.

interesting...but how do you actually ship a title looking like this? i mean they must've not even QA'ed this at all, not even put the disc in to make sure it works...it looks bad throughout the movie, pretty much any scene...unbelieveable. I wonder if i can get a refund since my non-BD version looks better.

[GasCat]

I purchased Lethal Weapon and Lethal Weapon 2. Lethal Weapon 2's transfer is one of the best ones I have ever seen. I was surprised how good an older film could look. (On the other hand, Lethal Weapon's transfer was not that good.)

I read the previous comment and you definitely have a bad disc.

The UPC I have is: 012569829497
ISBN: 1-4198-3804-0

I would recommend this film to anyone who is a stickler for picture quality. I froze numerous scenes stared at the picture and said aloud, "Now that's high definition".

[Deciazulado]

Not to sound rude or anything, but do you have a 720p TV and/or sit at 3+ PH from the 16:9 screen? Just want to confirm something..

I will agree with this part:

Originally Posted by GasCat

Lethal Weapon 2's transfer is one of the best ones I have ever seen. I was surprised how good an older film could look.

But I also agree with this:

Originally Posted by TallCoolOne

the whole movie just looks very low resolution with tons of aliasing ... Anyone else have this and seeing these major jaggies in it? the hi-def digest site didn't comment on this in their review so i was wondering what's up

Same UPC and ISBN

The transfer quality, is as good as a VC-1 46 Mb/s, if it had been full res..

[GasCat]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Not to sound rude or anything, but do you have a 720p TV and/or sit at 3+ PH from the 16:9 screen? Just want to confirm something..

No problem, ask any questions. I do not understand this phrase:
"sit at 3+ PH"

Pllayer : PS3
Resolution: 1080p
Set: Samsung HL-S5687W 56" 1080p DLP
Viewing Distance: 8 feet (Minimum distance allowable for 56" screen according Samsung's PDF:entitled: "Viewing Distance For A TV")

There are absolutely no aliasing problems or jaggies. I purchased the disc directly from Warner Bros. There was a delay but finally it arrived 1-2 weeks ago. I would think you have the same disc if the UPC is the same.

Originally Posted by TallCoolOne
the whole movie just looks very low resolution with tons of aliasing ... Anyone else have this and seeing these major jaggies in it? the hi-def digest site didn't comment on this in their review so i was wondering what's up

I completely disagree with this statement. The person who wrote it has some other problems going on. If you feel that way then there is something else wrong with your system. Give me a time in the film when you have the problem.

Look around this time frame: 1:10:38
The camper has venetian blinds which I would think would be very bad for someone who has an aliasing problem. I see no problems at all. I'll see if I can post a pic later.

[Brad Ley]

Originally Posted by GasCat

I completely disagree with this statement. The person who wrote it has some other problems going on. If you feel that way then there is something else wrong with your system. Give me a time in the film when you have the problem.

Look around this time frame: 1:10:38
The camper has venetian blinds which I would think would be very bad for someone who has an aliasing problem. I see no problems at all. I'll see if I can post a pic later.

No, actually he's dead on accurate. I also thought LW2 was a fantastic looking disc when I first got it. That was back when I was viewing everything on a 50" CRT @1080i. I've since moved up to a 70" LCOS 1080p and Lethal Weapon 2 is one of the worst (if not THE WORST) Blu-ray and HD-DVD titles available. The aliasing and jaggies are vicious and make the disc pretty much unwatchable. Don't be fooled that just because you can't see it on your display and set up that it doesn't exist. What you're actually experiencing is your display/display size/seating distance masking these artifacts. It is helping to masquerade poorer transfers and artifacts, but it also means that you're not seeing these discs as fully resolved as they can be.

As for High Def Digest, I'm starting to wonder if he actually even bothers watching these discs. In his review for Pursuit of Happyness, he mentions that the disc contains, "trailers for no fewer than twelve other Sony titles -- 'Spider-Man 2.1,' 'Spider-Man 3,' 'Surf's Up,' 'Casino Royale,' 'Stranger Than Fiction,' 'Rocky Balboa,' 'Stomp the Yard,' 'The Natural: Director's Cut,' 'Across the Universe,' 'Hitch,' 'The Holiday' and 'Catch and Release.'" The reality is that only a few of these trailers are actually on the disc, so where did he come up with this list from? (These trailers are most likely all on the standard def release, so the paranoid in me might hypothesize that he actually reviewed the standard DVD three weeks early and passed it off as a BD review.) He also says that the "Same Story, Different Movie" featurette from Payback is, "Presented in high-def and clocking in just shy of a half an hour." Not so... the video features on Payback are all 480i. I've kind of found that site to be about as useful for BD/HD news/reviews as asking a stranger off the street. I'd say the odds are the same that either has actually seen the disc.