Sony "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray Titles May 14 and July 16

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

I know that, but not all of the HDTV I watch is shot in HD or in the case of TCM the best print.

Well, I can't help you there. I only watch TV for three reasons:

The Walking Dead
Swamp People
Tanked

Luckily, they are all in HD, which on satellite looks slightly better than an upscaled DVD.

[GamerBoy14]

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

I watch HDTV on the set I'm planning to replace, will it look like shit upscaled to 4K?

I would assume that there would be something of a downgrade in PQ, similar to how 480p looks on a 1080p TV since satellite boxes (at least none of mine) can up convert content.

[DoubleGulpShrimp]

If anyone is curious what Ghostbusters mi4k would look like on a 4k tv if scaled well.
http://s11.postimg.org/v08gcqx75/Ghost4k.jpg

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by DoubleGulpShrimp

If anyone is curious what Ghostbusters mi4k would look like on a 4k tv if scaled well.
http://s11.postimg.org/v08gcqx75/Ghost4k.jpg

As I told you in the Ghostbusters thread the image is 1713 vertical resolution instead of 2160.

[DoubleGulpShrimp]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

As I told you in the Ghostbusters thread the image is 1713 vertical resolution instead of 2160.

And I told you that vertical resolution is only 2160 if its 16:9 I removed the black bars from the image to make the jpeg size smaller.

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by DoubleGulpShrimp

And I told you that vertical resolution is only 2160 if its 16:9 I removed the black bars from the image to make the jpeg size smaller.

Does anyone have a 4K monitor yet? That would be the true test.

[DoubleGulpShrimp]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Does anyone have a 4K monitor yet? That would be the true test.

You can zoom into the image. Thats what I did. I would love to have a 4k set to see the whole picture. One day, one day.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by DoubleGulpShrimp

You can zoom into the image. Thats what I did. I would love to have a 4k set to see the whole picture. One day, one day.

It's be nice for sure. I keep hoping I'll wake up one day and read an article that the BDA will launch a 4K physical format for certain titles.

[TheHighRoller]

Are there comparison scans if these new Blu-rays available yet? I'm surprise they haven't been reviewed yet.

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by TheHighRoller

Are there comparison scans if these new Blu-rays available yet? I'm surprise they haven't been reviewed yet.

Matthew 7:7 -- "Seek and ye shall find."

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1563

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by blu-ray_girl_fan

Matthew 7:7 -- "Seek and ye shall find."

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1563

Only the first comparison is sound though.

[wesslan]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

Yes, but it's only the theatrical cut, which is about as useful as a chocolate oven-glove, IMO.

What the hell are they thinking. No extended cuts when they are avaliable, not filling the discs up to maximize bitrate when they can , no extras AND we get to pay a premium price, way to go Sony.....

[Falaskan]

just put everything in 4K, you can still tell the difference a bit, even if you don't have an 80" screen.

[wesslan]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Only the first comparison is sound though.

Yeah but it's a nice bump in quality on first and third comparison, no more blown whites

[Blu-21]

Angles & Demons never really looked impressive which I know had a lot to do with the shooting conditions, style and lighting, but I wonder how that would fair with a new 4K release. Anybody have any clue?

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by Bolty

Well then if a person has a 4K set-up sees a real benefit---there's no way you can call it a gimmick. Niche maybe, but not a gimmick.

The "gimmick" here is the disc itself. As much as Sony is marketing this range of discs as "Mastered in 4K" with "Expanded Color Gamut", the actual disc itself is still 1080p with the same limited color gamut as every other Blu-ray disc out there, which results in all these skepticism. Just how effective is the encoding and the 4K Upconverting Player and HDTV remains to be seen. Most people cannot help but feel this is nothing but a mere temporary measure to give people a reason to upgrade to a 4K HDTV.

[42041]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

Angles & Demons never really looked impressive which I know had a lot to do with the shooting conditions, style and lighting, but I wonder how that would fair with a new 4K release. Anybody have any clue?

Since both releases come from the same 4K DI, any improvement will be absolutely marginal.

[Toptube]

Originally Posted by 42041

Since both releases come from the same 4K DI, any improvement will be absolutely marginal.

Yes and no. If the existing transfer is a good representation of the quality of the original 4K elements, then there will not be a big improvement. Even if a film was shot in 4k but scanned in 2K and then given a BD from that. The fact the BD was sourced from 2K shouldn't really matter. What matters is the quality of the source from which the BD came from and also the bitrate at which the BD is mastered.


So what I mean is this: look at those ghost busters screenshots. There aren't any apparent benefits in resolution. There weren't problems with aliasing before, or perception of grain or anything related to resolution or compression issues.

the problems are all with the balancing of the scan. There is way too much contrast in the original image. As such, it washes out highilights, blows out whites, makes the grain seem very large (which can actually hurt detail and apparent resolution) and punches up the colors.

the new scan is maybe even a bit under contrasted, which softens the image slightly. But because of this, you see a lot more details in highlights and brighter colors. colors overall aren't as punchy, but this is probably more true to the original. Resolution looks the same, though the small appearance of the grain gives everything a slightly smoother and more natural look.

bitrate bumps shouldn't be a huge benefit, because Blu-ray already has high bitrate potential. But it is certain that release which previously rode in the low 20's will probably see automatic improvements, if the new transfers have higher averages. Blu-rays that already feature a good transfer and have high average bitrates that are near the max for the current Blu-ray spec, probably would not see any worthwhile benefits.

As I said before, the difference for many of these re-releases will simply be that of a better scan/transfer. Not so much that they came from a supposedly higher quality source than before.

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by img eL

Spider-man Disc Size: 32,487,312,677 bytes

Feature Size: 30,791,897,088 bytes

Video Bitrate: 26.08 Mbps

50 GB = 53,687,091,200 bytes

22,895,194,112 bytes of possible 1080p improvement

Not quite. A 50 GB Blu-ray maxes out at 46.57 GB total (a BD-25 maxes out at 23.28 GB), so with the 28.68 GB feature size, there is actually only 17.89 GB of space, not 21.32 GB. And then there is another 1.58 GB being used by other material on the disc, so that leaves 16.31 GB of free space.