Zack Snyder's 'Man of Steel'

[bluearth]

Another negative post from Elandyll

Originally Posted by Elandyll

I predicted that the level of hype in this thread was so insane that it would only end up in people being disappointed and eventually back and forth banting between the disappointed and the "faithful".

Looks like my fears were right on the money, unfortunately.

Big drop at the BO this week end it seems (forget any comparison with IM3 at this point), and I think it will only get worse as it goes (I was thinking that this movie in particular might be very front loaded, but on the other hand WWZ has over-performed and Monster's U was always going to be a "monster", pun intended).

We'll have to wait next week to see some solid results for WW numbers (the movie opened in many markets only on the 19th), but if the few results from last week are any indication expect about half the results of IM3 I think (which would be nothing to sneeze at, an extra $400M in the bank).

How about comparing the box office of origin films rather then well established sequels?

Heres how Man of Steel did against other recent origin stories. Im sure it will pass Thor, setting it only behind the Spiderman films and Iron Man. If thats not successful I dont know what is. Imagine what it could have done if released in early May like the original Iron Man was, with nowhere near as much competition as its facing now

821m - Spider-Man (2002)
752m - The Amazing Spider-Man (2012)
585m - Iron Man (2008)
449m - Thor (2011)
408m - Man of Steel , after 2 weeks (2013)
385m - Xmen First Class (2011)
374m - Batman Begins (2005)
373m - Xmen Origins - Wolverine (2009)
368m - Captain America: The First Avenger
296m - Xmen (2000)
263m - The Incredible Hulk (2008)
219m - The Green Lantern (2011)

Originally Posted by L-Rouge

This was not to my "cup of preference".

[Show spoiler] I felt the identity of what made Superman THE man was lost in the over bombastic visuals, the ridiculously over the top (and somewhat matrix like) ending and a distinct likeness to other superhero films of recent times (as in visual style, pacing and city smashing blue light of doom climactic upheaval etc etc), I never really felt this movie had it's own unique core - black hole Singularity and all, and the exposition of clarke's childhood while interesting, I felt interfered with the progression of the film. I did not connect with the action sequences either, too drawn out and unfortunately I found myself wishing to leave before Zod's prism ship kicked into gear.

I personally was engrossed with Superman Returns released over a half decade ago, certain flame-bait material for some, no doubt, but characters to me kept me engaged .

2/5

If you thought the ending fight was over the top, then definitely dont buy a ticket to any future Justice League movies. Every character is going to be as strong if not stronger then the Hulk. Buildings will fall and people will be thrown through buildings. Thats just the nature of the characters.

[JERBOX5150]

I glanced at some of the remarks on this thread...some things actually dealt with MAN OF STEEL, others dealt with Rotten Tomatoes and even FAST 6 (???) whatever the case ma be, let me address the subject at hand.

Sorry to disappoint or off-set certain opinions (because that's all that they are) but MAN OF STEEL is not the second coming! It was enjoyable at best...it did not (repeat) DID NOT do anything to revive the franchise other than to bring a storyline into the 21st century and use the new toy of CGI.The film was vitually one big CGI orgy fest... kind of what became of Lucas' STAR WARS films...didn't have it, didn't NEED it...then the films and stories were wrapped around the CGI world instead of focusing at the task at hand...GOOD STORYTELLING.

Granted, there were some great moments, like Clark picking up the bus and Michael Shannon is the scene stealer as General Zod. I am sure this has been mentioned before, but one has to look back at Richard Donner's SUPERMAN to see the innocent days of true film making by using the world of visual effects as an instrument to help tell the story... not overpower the film like it does in MAN OF STEEL.

We are seeing this effect time and time again, unfortunately. If it doesn't shine or shimmer, you will lose the attention span of your viewers.

Give me Donner's SUPERMAN over MAN OF STEEL any day!

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

cf above, I see no need to repeat myself, all that you are saying has been answered and invalidated.

Director cuts, extended cuts, tv cuts, deleted scenes DO NOT COUNT to the masses. They exist and yes you can imagine what you want, but the THEATRICAL CUT OF SUPERMAN 2 = THE THEATRICAL CUT OF MAN OF STEEL. In both THEATRICAL CUTS, it's general perception that Zod dies. Maybe the director's cut of Man of Steel will show Zod sitting in jail with a neck brace. But it doesn't matter. The general perception (aka "theatrical cuts") showed Zod and co. falling into an abyss in Superman 2. People without superpowers that fall into dangerous cracks usually die. Falling to the death without showing the splatter is just a popular G-rated form of killing a baddie. If Superman 2 was R-rated, you would have seen Zod and Co splatter across some icy floor. Even in the violent R-rated films, they sometimes even have the baddie fall to their death without showing the splatter (I don't remember if they showed Hans Gruber hit the floor or not).

Here are some villains who fell to their deaths, who according to your theory, who were probably saved by landing on a bouncy castle or huge cushy pillows:

Doctor Facilier: Princess and the Frog
Mother Gothel: Tangled
Gaston: Beauty and the Beast
Ratigan: The Great Mouse Detective
Hans Gruber: Die Hard
Scar: The Lion King
Professor Moriarty: Sherlock Holmes 2
The Emperor: Return of the Jedi
Darth Maul: Phantom Menace
Dr. Elsa Schnieder: The Last Crusade
Blofeld: For Your Eyes Only

If there is a SEQUEL THAT'S MARKETED TO THE MASSES that shows the villain surviving the fall, then yes, the character didn't die. For example, Bucky doesn't die from his fall in Captain America and Loki doesn't die from his fall in Thor, because the sequels explain all that. In Superman 3, Richard Pryor doesn't visit Terrance Stamp in jail.

[Falaskan]

Ppl on this thread when they saw Superman

[Show spoiler]snap

Zod

[Show spoiler]'s neck

!

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by fitprod

The in the process of the finale, Superman eliminates Zod's superpowers, crushes his hand, and then throws him at a wall over an abyss, over 100 feet away, and drop down the abyss. How is that not killing him?

The "abyss" may have only been 6 feet. Point is you never saw lifeless bodies. You never heard a sickening thud or crunch. In MOS you clearly see Superman snap Zod's neck and kill him, a huge difference.

You know how I know they didn't die in Superman II?

In Singer's never shot "Man of Steel" sequel (which is in the "Donnerverse" where Superman II happened), he was supposed to fight Metallo and Braniac, created by New Krypton and the crystals Kitty left behind when she and Lex escaped.

Superman consults with General Zod, now a prisoner and not dead, on how to defeat them.

If Zod "clearly" was killed why then was Bryan Singer intent on using him again?

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

If Zod "clearly" was killed why then was Bryan Singer intent on using him again?

because after 26 years you can make up the continuity as you go.

[bluearth]

Originally Posted by JERBOX5150

I glanced at some of the remarks on this thread...some things actually dealt with MAN OF STEEL, others dealt with Rotten Tomatoes and even FAST 6 (???) whatever the case ma be, let me address the subject at hand.

Sorry to disappoint or off-set certain opinions (because that's all that they are) but MAN OF STEEL is not the second coming! It was enjoyable at best...it did not (repeat) DID NOT do anything to revive the franchise other than to bring a storyline into the 21st century and use the new toy of CGI.The film was vitually one big CGI orgy fest... kind of what became of Lucas' STAR WARS films...didn't have it, didn't NEED it...then the films and stories were wrapped around the CGI world instead of focusing at the task at hand...GOOD STORYTELLING.

Granted, there were some great moments, like Clark picking up the bus and Michael Shannon is the scene stealer as General Zod. I am sure this has been mentioned before, but one has to look back at Richard Donner's SUPERMAN to see the innocent days of true film making by using the world of visual effects as an instrument to help tell the story... not overpower the film like it does in MAN OF STEEL.

We are seeing this effect time and time again, unfortunately. If it doesn't shine or shimmer, you will lose the attention span of your viewers.

Give me Donner's SUPERMAN over MAN OF STEEL any day!

So when was there unnecessary use of CGI in Man of Steel?

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

The "abyss" may have only been 6 feet. Point is you never saw lifeless bodies. You never heard a sickening thud or crunch. In MOS you clearly see Superman snap Zod's neck and kill him, a huge difference.

You know how I know they didn't die in Superman II?

In Singer's never shot "Man of Steel" sequel (which is in the "Donnerverse" where Superman II happened), he was supposed to fight Metallo and Braniac, created by New Krypton and the crystals Kitty left behind when she and Lex escaped.

Superman consults with General Zod, now a prisoner and not dead, on how to defeat them.

If Zod "clearly" was killed why then was Bryan Singer intent on using him again?

One thing for sure is that we are all sounding like bickering Star Wars nerds debating these little things which most people don't care about, which is actually good. The more geeking over all the Superman movies is a good sign and will hopefully increase popularity of the character again.

[warnzie]

How was the 3d, guys?

[Drewbee87]

Originally Posted by warnzie

How was the 3d, guys?

Comments I've seen about say it's bad, that there really isn't anything that pops out.

[Dispatch Ninja]

Saw it a 2nd time a couple days ago and it was even better than my 1st. Henry Cavill really does an amazing job as clark/superman. Can't wait for the blu-ray the only real complaint I have is still

[Show spoiler]pa kent's death scene

Easily my favorite superman movie.

[Dispatch Ninja]

I've never been wowed by a 3d movie, they're all crap imho.

[Hucksta G]

Originally Posted by warnzie

How was the 3d, guys?

not very noticeable

[Tony208]

the current state of 3d movies in general is terrible
I can't recall the last movie where the 3d was actually worth it, maybe Oz 3D

[bluearth]

Originally Posted by Tony208

the current state of 3d movies in general is terrible
I can't recall the last movie where the 3d was actually worth it, maybe Oz 3D

At this rate the public will stop paying for 3D and that will be the end of it. Such a shame to see 3D go to waste because studios rather put little money and effort into it so they can maximize profits

[Afrobean]

What's the deal with this bickering about Superman 2 and whether Zod died or not?

Even if Superman didn't kill Zod in that one case, he's killed other times anyway in various adaptations and comics. Superman doesn't kill very much, but Zod even seems to be a common exception to that rule. Doomsday too, I guess, if you want to count his multiple deaths that is.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

because after 26 years you can make up the continuity as you go.

How is that breaking continuity?

Point is that it isn't canon that Zod died in SII.

[ChiefSequatchie]

Originally Posted by Drewbee87

I'll be pissed if this doesn't get released on BD near the end of this year...

One online comic book ordering service I use has this for pre-order and it has in small print "Expected in-Store Date is 10/30/2013"

If its correct I would say 11/29/2013 since the 30th is on a Wednesday and most things usually hit shelves on a Tuesday!

[Dispatch Ninja]

Tdkr came out the beginning of december so I'm gonna guess this will be out around the beginning of november.

[Drewbee87]

Originally Posted by ChiefSequatchie

One online comic book ordering service I use has this for pre-order and it has in small print "Expected in-Store Date is 10/30/2013"

If its correct I would say 11/29/2013 since the 30th is on a Wednesday and most things usually hit shelves on a Tuesday!

I hope!