Since everyone else is doing it, my favorite solo comic book films (no Avengers)
Man of Steel
Batman Returns
Spider-Man
Iron Man
Superman II
The Dark Knight
Batman
The Dark Knight Rises
Superman Returns
X-Men: First Class
The thing I like best about Man of Steel are the action scenes. I remember being so disappointed in the Incredible Hulk's action scenes. They were plagued by poor cinemaphotography and cheap shortcuts, such as soldiers etc almost never being in the same frame as the Hulk. Dont want to spend time putting my thumb on it, but Man of Steel does such a better job of capturing what it would look like for a very powerful being to fight on this planet.
Man of Steel action scenes are going to have so much rewatchability. And because the entire movie moves at a brisk pace the whole thing will get multiple viewings from me.
Since everyone else is doing it, my favorite solo comic book films (no Avengers)
Man of Steel
Batman Returns
Spider-Man
Iron Man
Superman II
The Dark Knight
Batman
The Dark Knight Rises
Superman Returns
X-Men: First Class
The thing I like best about Man of Steel are the action scenes. I remember being so disappointed in the Incredible Hulk's action scenes. They were plagued by poor cinemaphotography and cheap shortcuts, such as soldiers etc almost never being in the same frame as the Hulk. Dont want to spend time putting my thumb on it, but Man of Steel does such a better job of capturing what it would look like for a very powerful being to fight on this planet.
Man of Steel action scenes are going to have so much rewatchability. And because the entire movie moves at a brisk pace the whole thing will get multiple viewings from me.
I'll try, always hard for me to do a list like this though
1. The Dark Knight Rises
1. Man of Steel
1. Watchmen
4. Iron Man 2
5. Batman Begins
6. The Dark Knight
7. Avengers
8. Batman
9. Batman Returns
10. X-Men First Class
Catching Fire will most likely make some serious cheddar BUT I anticipate at least half of that coming in 2014 so the $ it makes this year will most likely not be more than Man of Steel.
This doesn't really matter.
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It's possibly going to end up as the movie that makes the second most $ in 2013 and it's already the most successful Superman movie ever which is quite an accomplishment. Really hoping for Avengers type numbers for the sequel so DC gets more serious about bringing their characters to the big screen.
Donner's film adjusted would be more than $450M so it still remains the most successful and Man of Steel will make just a little more than Superman Returns adjusted and probably pretty close to even given the 3D ticket surcharge for Man of Steel. It's already made a killing in the international market though, which is where it is a big improvement over its predecessors.
Seeing it again tonight! Absolutely loved it on the first viewing at opening night but flaws might be revealed on this second viewing. I just can't wait to re-experience the opening 15 minutes.
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Fantastic post toddly6666! I definitely do not agree with a lot of it regarding man of steel, however it was a very well constructed response to the film none the less. I especially liked your point about motion pictures, agree 100%.
And since everyone is doing it...
1. The Dark Knight
2. Batman Begins
3. The Dark Knight Rises
4. Spider-Man
5. Batman
6. Spider-Man 2
7. The Avengers
8. X2
9. THOR
10. X-Men FC/ Man of Steel
(I am not a big Iron Man fan since the first one is likely to be in most peoples top 10)
Also i only counted "popular comics" not stuff like Kick Ass or Dredd
Saw this for the second time today... I really really enjoyed it. So much better than Iron Man 3, I would put this right below Star Trek: Into Darkness as my second favorite movie of the summer. Ayelet Zurer is one beautiful woman! I could watch a whole action movie of Russell Crowe on Krypton... a Krypton prequel would be amazing. I think this is the role I most enjoy Amy Adams in too (have to admit, I haven't seen as much of her work as I would like... I can only think of Enchanted and The Master), she was gorgeous. The scene where Kal discovers how to control himself while in flight is probably in my top favorite scenes from the movie... great music accompanied it too. Unfortunately, that scene did appear to have some poor compositing, but I could live with it. When he does a flyby in space though... wow. That was much more convincing. There were some times where the effects weren't as strong as they should be, but, again, I could live with it. There is a lot to like in this movie... some things I don't, but they are few and far between. It was easy to get emotionally invested in the story... and to feel connected with Clark. Kudos go to Henry Cavill for that (and Dylan Sprayberry, the young Clark, as well as the younger Clark who discovers his heightened senses in school). Anywho, I definitely can't wait to pick this up on Blu-ray... hopefully a nice retailer exclusive edition... I just hope it comes out soon!
Just saw the film today for the first time. This is a 5 out of 5 star superhero movie. I can't even remember the last time I was so upset with most critics. Here are my thoughts:
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If an art-house film from directors like Jean-Luc Goddard, David Lynch, or Wong Kar Wai gets ripped apart for a lack of story, nonexistant character development, poor dialogue, and unbalanced structure, the criticism is ignored and is probably even considered more respectfully pretentious because no one else "gets" these films and its exclusive connection to these types of films are regarded in top 100 film lists and are continuously praised by critics. For some reason, it's "not accepable" to reavulate films over a period of time (it's critic-review peer pressure more or less). Pretentious films seem to be immune from being dated or re-graded. If you don't "get the film," it's because you can't understand the film and its supposed multiple meanings or symbolisms, and anyway you just don't get that the movie is overall an "experience of cinema." So once again, if an art-house film has lacking basics (story, acting, cast chemistry, structure, etc.), the criticism of these basic elements can be ignored, no matter how much one can nitpick it apart....but for some strange reason, a mainstream Hollywood blockbuster film doesn't get that free pass. Sure it's impressive to make an impressive movie with a low budget, but an extremely expensive big-budget blockbuster film has every right to be graded on experience too. Just because more money was spent (or wasted, however you want to look at it), it doesn't mean that the mainstream film should have more pressure than a low-budget cheap film. There are awesome low-budget movies and expensive big-budget films that can give an experience.
I understand that not everyone can like a film, but Man of Steel is a motion picture experience. Not only mainstream movies are manufactured nowadays, but also art-house films (To the Wonder, recently). Most movies released every weekend are pretty entertaining but are still nonetheless "meh movies" (Iron Man 3). With technology making things "easier" (more digital and less on film, more CGI and less old school special effects), movies do seem more manufactured now. So there are very few films nowadays that feel like a good old-fashioned motion picture (think Spielberg of the 1980s and early 90s). Because movies are so manufactured nowadays (generic photoshopped posters don't help as well), so many B-movies from the 1980s are now considered "classics" because it was the decade before the late 1990s that started making manufactured films. Motion picture basically equals "magical movie experience." We all know that Superman the Movie, Star Wars, Alien, Raiders of the Lost Ark, etc. were considered motion picture experiences. What were the recent motion picture experiences? The Matrix was a motion picture. Avatar was a motion picture. The Artist was a motion picture. The two new Star Trek films were motion pictures. The Nolan Batmans were motion pictures...and now Man of Steel (along with Star Trek Into Darkness so far this year). A movie like Silver Linings Playbook is a good movie with a great story and plenty of character development, but it's no memorable motion picture. It's just going to be another "Terms of Endearment"-type film - popular during its time but pretty much forgettable over time.
So, yes Man of Steel can be nitpicked for its supposed lack of story, too much action, and not being a clone of slapstick Donner Superman, and sure, there are people that don't like the film, but Man of Steel is still a superhero masterpiece motion picture. Man of Steel ties with the Nolan Batmans as being the best superhero movies ever made. I have enjoyed all the Superman flicks over the years (I hated Superman Returns and Superman 4 when I saw them in the theaters, but I can now appreciate both of them. I used to think Superman 3 was good but now it's pretty awful besides having some of the best scenes (drunk Supes versus Clark Kent). I was never a fan of Superman in the comic books or the cartoon (he's only bad-ass in final episode of Justice League Unlimited). For anyone who's seen how Superman has evolved the past 50 years, there is old school klutzy Clark Kent "golly gee, let me save your cat" Superman (as perfectly adapted by Richard Donner) and there's also serious Clark Kent Superman (as perfectly adapted by Zach Snyder). How can people ignore these two types of Supermen, I just don't get when the two totally different Batmans exist and are accepted as the two different types - early "Gee wiz, Robin" Batman (in the early comics, in the show, and in first movie), and then Batman got all dark in the 1970s.
Superhero movies just keep on getting better and better (1st starting with Blade, 2nd with X-men, 3rd X-men 2, 4th Spiderman, 5th Hellboy, 6th Spider-Man 2, 7th Batman Begins, 8th Iron Man, 9th The Dark Knight, 10th The Avengers, and now 11th Man of Steel.
After watching Man of Steel today and tearing up throughout the whole film (as I do when I see a non-generic, any-genre film that reminds me of motion pictures of the past), I also teared up a bit at the end of the movie because of the criticism it got by critics and user reviews. It has every right to be ripped apart, but I personally thought it was a perfect superhero film and a perfect adaptation of Superman. All the negative stuff that I read (lack of soul, no humor, shaky cam, running into tornado, too much action, neck snap) not only didn't bug me as I expected it to bug me, but all these aspects were just fine. I hate shaky cam, absolutely hate it, but the direction was a work of art - no headaches at all (as I did with the Bourne films). Every element in the film touched me - from the acting, to the action, to the awesome flow of the film (shortest 2+ hour movie I've seen all year). There was more humor in this film than the Batman flicks, tons of people chuckling. The lack of humor criticism is the most outlandish criticism I've heard about Man of Steel. I think it may have to do with the combination of these two strange expectations: 1. Richard Donner's Superman: Superman is old school Superman in the 1970s version. And one of the key points that no one has really made is that if this movie was re-evaluated by critics all over again (meaning, forget that this movie "was an experience in the 1970s), this film could be nitpicked to death just like Man of Steel. Man of Steel is an adaption of more recent Superman comics (post-1970s) - simple as that! 2. Iron Man: Iron Man was the movie to kickstart the Avengers. Iron Man is funny with tons of one-liners. Superman is not Iron Man. People are expecting Man of Steel to kick-start the Justice League movie in the same way that Iron Man did with The Avengers. Man of Steel is a perfect kick-start. Superman is not Robert Downey Jr. Iron Man.
Another weird aspect is complaining about the massive destruction? Has anyone seen a movie since Will Smith's Independence Day? These types of films are all the same - there is collateral damage all the time. It's a movie, not real life. Superman can't save everyone. He couldn't even save Lois Lane from an earthquake in the first film without doing the time reversal trick? And if Superman the Movie was re-evaluated today in which the critic had to ignore its "1970s charm or what an experience it was," do you really think the "time reversal" trick ending would be acceptable in a screenplay? Hell no. So once again, this is a comic book superhero movie - yes, it's going to have massive destruction and buildings falling down. It's visually awesome and not disturbing (and I lived in NYC during 9/11).
I could go on and on praising everything about this movie but it doesn't really matter. The main point is that Man of Steel was a movie that reminded me of films from the past - a real motion picture. If I were in charge of DC's next movies, I would just let Snyder direct them all since he's an expert on putting comic books - 300, Watchmen and now Superman - perfectly on screen.
For a comic book movie, this movie scores a 5 out of 5, especially impressive that Snyder has made the first down-to-earth, interesting, likable Superman out of all the mediums (comic books, cartoons, old movies).
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Some of them are actually mad that the House of El emblem represents hope, no it's an S. Well it also stands for the House of El and if Snyder wants that to represent hope, bully on you guys. Some of them wanted it to be campier, it's Snyder, he doesn't really do unnecessary camp or make jokes all the time. 30 minute final fight between Zod and Superman? Didn't feel like one to me but of COURSE it leveled most of a city. It's two freaking Kryptonians in a fight to the death in a major city, it's going to be devastating. Also, his decision to kill Zod? A, he HAS killed before and B, as far as I can tell, they're going to use it as his reason to never want to kill again going forward. Works for me.
All I can say is thank you to both of you
Had this track stuck in my head for over two weeks
I don't know how much I can add into a discussion, but I must say that I was blown away by this movie.
I did this speed sketch from memory last night (it's not the best quality) while I was sorting out some other stuff. I really, really, really enjoyed the movie. Faora - Copy - Copy.jpg
Well the House of El crest representing hope is nothing new and actually taken from the comics (prior to the new 52 reboot) so I actually liked that aspect of the movie.
I don't know how much I can add into a discussion, but I must say that I was blown away by this movie.
I did this speed sketch from memory last night (it's not the best quality) while I was sorting out some other stuff. I really, really, really enjoyed the movie. Attachment 66980
Thats amazing. Not sure which is more impressive, doing it off of memory or in one night.
So I just got out of this and I have one question for the haters
[Show spoiler]WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU
this movie was BAD ASS omg that final 3 minutes were amazing. It was a sold out 5:50 showing. I honestly couldn't believe it was sold out 2 weeks after release. There was a big applause at the end. Day 1 blu buy. I only give this rating to movies I love and can't wait to own.
5/5
Joins 42, place beyond the pines, and pain and gain for the 5/5 ratings of 2013
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So I just got out of this and I have one question for the haters
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU
this movie was BAD ASS omg that final 3 minutes were amazing. It was a sold out 5:50 showing. I honestly couldn't believe it was sold out 2 weeks after release. There was a big applause at the end. Day 1 blu buy. I only give this rating to movies I love and can't wait to own.
5/5
Joins 42, place beyond the pines, and pain and gain for the 5/5 ratings of 2013
Place Beyond the Pines was incredible. The best movie of the year so far, for me, with Man of Steel being second best.
Saw it for the third Saturday in a row tonight and also the third time overall. Now fully convinced that this my favourite Superman fan of all-time. Even considering going tomorrow to see it a 4th time just because I can.
Saw it for the third Saturday in a row tonight and also the third time overall. Now fully convinced that this my favourite Superman fan of all-time. Even considering going tomorrow to see it a 4th time just because I can.
I saw it 3 times already but it was 3 days in a row opening weekend
The final battle wasnt 30 minutes long. Zod and Superman fought for just 5 minutes. It may have felt like 30 minutes to those who were extremely disconnected from the film.
Its funny because the Smallville fight is only about 5 minutes too.
This. I never understood the people who were complaining that the zod showdown was too long.
This. I never understood the people who were complaining that the zod showdown was too long.
Oddly my father who really disliked Watchmen and loved this movie, calling it the best Superman film ever, thought the final run with all the action was too much also. I will say this for those who are contemplating the sequel, since the villain will most likely be Lex I doubt there will be quite as much action, especially since I also expect the sequel to lay the groundwork for Lois & Clark to become partners both at the Daily Planet and romantically.
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