The Criterion Collection

[Brad1963]

Originally Posted by TJS_Blu

Didn't get this newsletter, checked my spam too. In any case, very good. Wonder if it will be a box? Sure would like Gosford Park, never pulled the trigger on the Alliance (upscale?).

Not sure if Nashville would be in a box set. It is too strong of a title. I could see an Altman box with 70's 20th Century Fox titles A Wedding, Quintet, A Perfect Couple and H.E.A.L.T.H.

[octagon]

Popeye completely ruined Shelly Duvall for me. Even watching The Shining a couple years ago was kind of tough.

3 Women may have finally exorcized the last of those ghosts but it definitely took a while.

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by octagon

Popeye completely ruined Shelly Duvall for me. Even watching The Shining a couple years ago was kind of tough.

3 Women may have finally exorcized the last of those ghosts but it definitely took a while.

I respect Popeye. It's just sooo esoteric. There is really nothing like it, for better or for worse.

PLUS, without it's use of "He Needs Me", Punch Drunk Love would have not been the same.

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by octagon

Popeye completely ruined Shelly Duvall for me. Even watching The Shining a couple years ago was kind of tough.

3 Women may have finally exorcized the last of those ghosts but it definitely took a while.

Shelley Duvall was the perfect actress to play Olive Oyl.

It's just that my threshold for listening to Olive Oyl usually does not extend longer than the average six-minute Popeye cartoon.

[Abdrewes]

:r

Originally Posted by Brad1963

IMO: One of the great American films of the 20th Century.

In 2000 there was a 25th Aniversary screening at the Academy Theatre in Beverly Hills; after the screening the whole cast came out for a Q&A. We knew there would be cast members but It was beyond expectations when we saw who all showed up.

When we were leaving the theatre we noticed Curtis Hanson getting into his car parked on Wilshire Blvd.

Even the lady whom was humiliated at the gentleman's lounge? Must've been absolutely awesome.

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

Shelley Duvall was the perfect actress to play Olive Oyl.

It's just that my threshold for listening to Olive Oyl usually does not extend longer than the average six-minute Popeye cartoon.

Hurray for tolerance (or bad taste). I could not get enough of her Olive Oyle portrayal!

[Brad1963]

Originally Posted by Abdrewes

:r

Even the lady whom was humiliated at the gentleman's lounge? Must've been absolutely awesome.

No. Gwen Welles passed away in 1993. Also Barbara Baxley passed away in 1990. Barbara Harris was not there, I don't remember Geraldine Chaplin being there either.

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by Brad1963

No. Gwen Welles passed away in 1993. Also Barbara Baxley passed away in 1990. Barbara Harris was not there, I don't remember Geraldine Chaplin being there either.

That was such an uncomfortable scene to watch. She was a hell of a sport for going through with it, nailing it too I might add.

[Brad1963]

Originally Posted by Abdrewes

That was such an uncomfortable scene to watch. She was a hell of a sport for going through with it, nailing it too I might add.

Yeah it was and she was wonderful in the scene. In today's world it would have ended up on You Tube and she would have become famous...for a moment. It is interesting to watch "Nashville" now because the rules have changed for struggling artists and the pursuit of fame.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

I've never seen a Robert Altman movie, and I know absolutely nothing about Nashville, but the IMDB website description appeals to me, as does the casting.

I've only seen Popeye and Quintet, and thus know absolutely NOTHING about Altman , but take it as a given that Nashville was his "one" film, even more than M*A*S*H.
Near the end of his career, every third film he did seemed to be the "Wacky Americana convention" Nashville formula (A Wedding, Health, Ready to Wear), so consider it pretty much the Director-in-a-Bottle movie.

(Oh, wait, I did see MASH, but I had nothing to put it in context to.)

Originally Posted by Abdrewes

I respect Popeye. It's just sooo esoteric. There is really nothing like it, for better or for worse.

There are those who Get It, and those who Don't.
Jules Pfeiffer was trying to homage the original comic strip; Robin & Shelley were trying to imitate the Dave Fleischer toons, and Altman...who the heck knows what he ever does?

And if it wasn't for Warner re-releasing the original Dave Fleischer B/W toons, we couldn't appreciate just how good a job Williams was doing of channeling Jack Fletcher's motor-mutter ad-libs.
(Even capturing the Fleischer-toon Popeye's little flip-jumpy movements. Williams was definitely in the Got It camp, and his performance was a labor of love.)

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

Shelley Duvall was the perfect actress to play Olive Oyl.
It's just that my threshold for listening to Olive Oyl usually does not extend longer than the average six-minute Popeye cartoon.

Shelley Duvall reminds you of Olive Oyl even when she ISN'T in the movie.
(Back before Robin Williams was discovered, it was originally going to be Dustin Hoffman & Lily Tomlin. The value of patience.)

However, I concede that Popeye will not be the Altman movie getting the Criterion.

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by Brad1963

Yeah it was and she was wonderful in the scene. In today's world it would have ended up on You Tube and she would have become famous...for a moment. It is interesting to watch "Nashville" now because the rules have changed for struggling artists and the pursuit of fame.

I hate how YouTube can strip the context out of such scenes-turns it into a highlight reel or a freak show. Unfortunately, it would be the ONE thing the masses remember about the film.

[Mansinthe]

watched "une femme mariee" from Godard a moment ago. (MoC release) are all Godard movies that boring?

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by Mansinthe

watched "une femme mariee" from Godard a moment ago. (MoC release) are all Godard movies that boring?

My favorite is Two or Three Things I know about her...but that's probably the most "boring one" out of the lot.

Would you prefer a more lighter hearted film or a dryer, more politically charged film?

[Mansinthe]

i hoped for something like a french mix of mizoguchi & suzuki.

maybe i should have gotten breathless first or vivre sa vie.
there are probably no fun movies like tokyo drifter from godard?

i do enjoy movies like Tokyo story, i dont have a problem with slow movies but une femme mariee was just not my thing. i found their talk about the jews and ausschwitz more interessting compared to the rest of the movie.

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by Mansinthe

i hoped for something like a french mix of mizoguchi & suzuki.

maybe i should have gotten breathless first or vivre sa vie.
there are probably no fun movies like tokyo drifter from godard?

Band of Outsiders or, for the more adventurous, Pierrot Le Fou, are very enjoyable.

If you don't like "Band", then Maybe you should stop there.

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by Mansinthe

watched "une femme mariee" from Godard a moment ago. (MoC release) are all Godard movies that boring?

All of the early 1960s Godard movies are golden. Not a boring moment in any of 'em.

This reminds me, there's a scene in Three Colors: White that shows the movie poster for Godard's Le Mépris (Contempt) as Karol is looking up at an apartment building window. It's a cool inclusion, because it strengthens the film's early undercurrents about France looking down on Poland at the time. Another example of how we can learn more about history from works of fiction than we can by reading textbooks.

[Mansinthe]

thanks
probably will give it a chance. but so far i must admit, regarding classic movies i did enjoy the asian stuff way more compared to everything else.

i didnt care much about mariees fate or that of her husband / lover and the child.

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by Mansinthe

probably will give it a chance. but so far i must admit, regarding classic movies i did enjoy the asian stuff way more compared to everything else.

I first dipped my foot into the Criterion pool with the Akira Kurosawa movies, and I collected several of them before branching out to anything else. After I bought a couple of Jean-Pierre Melville films, though, I gravitated over to French New Wave in a big hurry. I like everything, but my collection of French movies is quite prominent compared to everything else Criterion these days.

[Edward J Grug III]

Originally Posted by octagon

Popeye completely ruined Shelly Duvall for me. Even watching The Shining a couple years ago was kind of tough.

I completely unironically love the Popeye movie.

It's perfectly cast, the soundtrack is fantastic - my wife and I watch it quite regularly.

It might help to have read the original Thimble Theater newspaper comics to realize how right they got it (amazing cartoonist Jules Feiffer wrote the script!), but even before I had read them, I loved the movie.

[Mansinthe]

i startet with Master of cinema. ballad of narayama and onibaba.
criterion kurosawa -> rashomon after that. first non asian classic was silent running (ok movie , good story) and for all mankind (awesome !,).

blow out was great , murder ala mod not so much
M, i did enjoy too




repo man will probably be the next movie im going to watch. i hope my B&N order will arrive soon so i can check out seventh seal , rosemary's baby and island of lost souls

Often called the Godard of the East, Japanese director Nagisa Oshima was one of the most provocative film artists of the twentieth century, and his works challenged and shocked the cinematic world for decades.

thats what i was hoping for