Concern over 4k and replacing

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by cricepng

So I only need to plan on 17-20 2TB drives for a reasonable collection. Oh, double that for backups. No thanks, I'll stick with physical discs.

From what I have read, cloud storage is available for storage. You can also attach external storage to the media server. Storage is inexpensive and dropping pretty fast. Early adopters seem pleased.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...0&postcount=48

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by KRW1

4k is definitely coming and it's going to be huge. I don't know where we get this idea that progress is suddenly going to stop now when it hasn't for the last 100 years.

Who said anything about progress stopping? Laserdisc was a niche format, and it didn't catch on with the mass-market... that wasn't progress stopping, that was one particular product not catching on, while other similar products did, because they launched with better timing and support regarding the consumer market. That is what is being said now: not that blu-ray is the end of the line, but rather that the market will not shift to adopt a 4k standard in the immediate future. Who knows, maybe 4k gets leapfrogged by something better when the market is finally ready for a major format shift. This "progress stopping" rhetoric is a straw-man argument that undermines your own position.

Originally Posted by KRW1

It's coming and it won't be niche.

You don't know that. That's just a guess. Don't confuse your own enthusiasm for the disposition of the entire consumer market. Show me 50 million 4k TV sets in American homes in the next few years, and I'll say your exuberance was right. I'd bet real money that it's not happening for at least another 7 years, probably longer.

[cricepng]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

From what I have read, cloud storage is available for storage. You can also attach external storage to the media server. Storage is inexpensive and dropping pretty fast. Early adopters seem pleased.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...0&postcount=48

I don't care if it is available for cheap or free. Internet is known to go down even in developed nations (imagine what it is like in a 'developing' nation like Papua New Guinea). People have and will continue to have Internet caps. Of course, early adopters seem pleased. They spend too much money adopting early to look like fools and admit they they aren't pleased. And they also are the ones who most likely have the money for the fastest, unlimited Internet access.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Who said anything about progress stopping? Laserdisc was a niche format, and it didn't catch on with the mass-market... that wasn't progress stopping, that was one particular product not catching on, while other similar products did, because they launched with better timing and support regarding the consumer market. That is what is being said now: not that blu-ray is the end of the line, but rather that the market will not shift to adopt a 4k standard in the immediate future. Who knows, maybe 4k gets leapfrogged by something better when the market is finally ready for a major format shift. This "progress stopping" rhetoric is a straw-man argument that undermines your own position.



You don't know that. That's just a guess. Don't confuse your own enthusiasm for the disposition of the entire consumer market. Show me 50 million 4k TV sets in American homes in the next few years, and I'll say your exuberance was right. I'd bet real money that it's not happening for at least another 7 years, probably longer.

You don't know that. It's just a guess!

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by cricepng

I don't care if it is available for cheap or free. Internet is known to go down even in developed nations (imagine what it is like in a 'developing' nation like Papua New Guinea). People have and will continue to have Internet caps. Of course, early adopters seem pleased. They spend too much money adopting early to look like fools and admit they they aren't pleased. And they also are the ones who most likely have the money for the fastest, unlimited Internet access.

Did you know that Sony has its own ISP in Japan? $51 a month for 2GB bandwidth. a 4K download would take minutes at that speed. No reason why they couldn't do that in the U S. My local ISP, Time Warner, has no caps and neither does Verizon. Actually, most of the world is ahead of us in providing cheap bandwidth.

The movement to 4K will be led by Asia, primarily China, not the U.S. The fact that you are living in a developing nation means you have a better chance of getting new technology faster than we do in the U S, which is hindered by old infrastructure that has to be replaced and too much regulation.

Early adopters are necessary. They are consummate risk takers and manufacturers love them. They are the real equipment 'beta testers'.

The Sony 4K Media Server target market is the early adopter. From what I have read, there is no plan to introduce it in other countries. This is the primary reason it works only with Sony 4K displays. The next iteration of 4K server will probably be cheaper and enjoy wide distribution in Europe and Asia.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You don't know that. It's just a guess!

Yeah, no s**t. Difference being, I said it was a guess, I'm not trying to pass it off as definitive fact like the other guy did.

If you can't undertand the difference between "4k is happening, and it won't be niche" and "I bet you end up being wrong", then perhaps you shouldn't be using the internet without the supervision of a functional adult. (I'm pretty sure you do understand the difference, and you're just trolling.)

Nice try. Get a better hobby.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Who said anything about progress stopping? Laserdisc was a niche format, and it didn't catch on with the mass-market... that wasn't progress stopping, that was one particular product not catching on, while other similar products did, because they launched with better timing and support regarding the consumer market. That is what is being said now: not that blu-ray is the end of the line, but rather that the market will not shift to adopt a 4k standard in the immediate future. Who knows, maybe 4k gets leapfrogged by something better when the market is finally ready for a major format shift. This "progress stopping" rhetoric is a straw-man argument that undermines your own position.



You don't know that. That's just a guess. Don't confuse your own enthusiasm for the disposition of the entire consumer market. Show me 50 million 4k TV sets in American homes in the next few years, and I'll say your exuberance was right. I'd bet real money that it's not happening for at least another 7 years, probably longer.

Did you know that the 3D adoption rate is ahead of the HD adoption rate? Did you know that all Sony 4K TVs are also passive 3D TV's. Have you looked at how many 4K brands are available now? Sony 4K prices are almost down to my price range. Did you know that you can buy a 4K TV for around $1000?

It won't take 7 years. In 7 years, we will have broadcast 4K and you will need a converter box for your obsolete HD TV.

[wormraper]

at least I don't have to go to the circus. we have on RIGHT here!!!!

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Did you know that the 3D adoption rate is ahead of the HD adoption rate? Did you know that all Sony 4K TVs are also passive 3D TV's. Have you looked at how many 4K brands are available now? Sony 4K prices are almost down to my price range. Did you know that you can buy a 4K TV for around $1000?

It won't take 7 years. In 7 years, we will have broadcast 4K and you will need a converter box for your obsolete HD TV.

No, I didn't know any of that. I keep myself isolated from tech news.

What does 3D have to do with anything that I said? I'm a fan of 3D, and 3 years ago I said it would be fairly successful, when everyone else here was saying how stupid and crazy I was for enjoying 3D. Sooooo ... complete miss there, buddy. Care to try again?

Now, let me ask the same kind of condescending question: did you know that HDTVs became available in 1997, but it took more than 11 years for the consumer market to fully adopt them? Did you know that HD was a "niche product" for a whole decade, before blu-ray and HD broadcast were in more than a few million homes?

I think some of you guys have completely lost the point of the conversation:
We're not talking about whether or not 4k will exist. That's a foregone conclusion. The topic was whether or not we need to worry about collecting blu-rays, because of obsolescense caused by 4k. I never said 4k would not be available for at least 7 years, what I am saying is that 4k will not render blu-ray obsolete as the standard for at least another 7 years.

This looks like a repeat of the damn DVD vs Blu-ray argument, where so many people couldn't grasp the idea that the success of blu-ray didn't necessarily mean the immediate death of DVD. Now here we are again, with a bunch of myopics who think that the inevitable 4k rollout means Blu-ray will be obsolete in a year. Just because 4k becomes available, does not mean everybody is going to run out and buy it tomorrow.

[cricepng]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Did you know that Sony has its own ISP in Japan? $51 a month for 2GB bandwidth. a 4K download would take minutes at that speed. No reason why they couldn't do that in the U S. My local ISP, Time Warner, has no caps and neither does Verizon. Actually, most of the world is ahead of us in providing cheap bandwidth.

The movement to 4K will be led by Asia, primarily China, not the U.S. The fact that you are living in a developing nation means you have a better chance of getting new technology faster than we do in the U S, which is hindered by old infrastructure that has to be replaced and too much regulation.

Very ethnocentric. You've obviously not been to most of the world. I work with people from over 20 different countries and they often make comments about how the Americans among us think everyone has cheap, fast Internet. By being in a developing nation, it means I am more likely to have slower, pay by the MB, unreliable Internet for many years to come. Don't believe everything you hear.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by KRW1

Same was said about DVD and Bluray. I worked in a video store when DVD came out and there was a lot of resistance. Biggest concern from Joepublic, who is oft quoted, was the fact that you couldn't tape over a DVD and you needed a different shaped telly to get the best out of them. We all had 4:3 then and there was a lot of resistance to the aspect ratio thing. Even today, people still ask why there are black bars on their widescreen sets. It's coming and it won't be niche.

Yeah but the biggest difference with DVD was that it was an immediate and noticeable upgrade over VHS. While some may have complained about not being able to tape over a DVD, the huge uptick in PQ, sound, bonus features, and convenience of having chapters instead of having to rewind and fast forward completely destroyed any perceived drawbacks to the technology. Going from DVD to Blu Ray has been a much smaller upgrade in comparison to VHS to DVD and the adoption of the format has been much more slow than it was for DVD. While most of us can easily see the difference, some (like my own Mom) still swears up and down that she can't see a big difference from DVD to Blu Ray. Even I have been guilty of accidentally sticking in the DVD of a multi-disk movie and not realizing it's not Blu Ray until a few minutes into the film.

Now imagine what the average person is going to think of 4K VS Blu Ray. They're not going to perceive ANY advantage. Especially considering the average home has what. a 40" to 50" set? Not very many consumers can fit the screen size they would need in their homes to even gain any kind of advantage to having 4K.

[mredman]

Raygend got to be to most delusional person here. It is just completely ridiculous what he posts here.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by U7ysses S Gr4nt

Hello all,

I have a blu-ray collection of roughly 400 films, and roughly that many on DVD. I've been slowly replacing most all of my DVDs, but given the craze that 4k COULD generate, is it likely I'll have to do this with ALL blu-ray discs, too?

For instance, in the past week, I replaced Stir of Echoes and Frailty. Will these really be titles that receive 4k release?

My knowledge of the technology is limited, and would like input from those of you who really know this stuff well...

Moronic Schultz knows nothing, sees nothing! - YouTube

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by cricepng

Very ethnocentric. You've obviously not been to most of the world. I work with people from over 20 different countries and they often make comments about how the Americans among us think everyone has cheap, fast Internet. By being in a developing nation, it means I am more likely to have slower, pay by the MB, unreliable Internet for many years to come. Don't believe everything you hear.

http://thumbnails.visually.netdna-cd...0a7186731.jpeg

FYI I lived and worked in Europe and Southeast Asia for 8 straight years during the Cold War and Vietnam War. More recently, I worked in the Republic of Turkey for 2 years. I also worked all of Europe, Mideast and Africa from the U S for a U S firm selling proprietary software used by the military and law enforcement. I have not been to your country.

As I mentioned, you have a better chance at state of the art internet service at a reasonable price faster than we in the U S do. Perhaps you missed this:

"Papua New Guinea is pushing ahead with plans for a national broadband network that will improve internet speeds and prices, marking a "transformative leap" for the country." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-1...ternet/4951850

[cricepng]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

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As I mentioned, you have a better chance at state of the art internet service at a reasonable price faster than we in the U S do. Perhaps you missed this:

"Papua New Guinea is pushing ahead with plans for a national broadband network that will improve internet speeds and prices, marking a "transformative leap" for the country." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-1...ternet/4951850

Now that is honestly the funniest thing I have heard someone to believe about PNG since I returned in June. Having lived here since 1999. Most of the country doesn't have adequate water, any electricity, roads, enough teachers, adequate medical facilities, etc. PNG is notorious for grand promises that have as much likelihood as someone in a remote village successfully creating a VSAT out of bamboo and coconuts.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by cricepng

...as much likelihood as someone in a remote village successfully creating a VSAT out of bamboo and coconuts.

Pfft, nothing to it...

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[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Yeah, no s**t. Difference being, I said it was a guess, I'm not trying to pass it off as definitive fact like the other guy did.

If you can't undertand the difference between "4k is happening, and it won't be niche" and "I bet you end up being wrong", then perhaps you shouldn't be using the internet without the supervision of a functional adult. (I'm pretty sure you do understand the difference, and you're just trolling.)

Nice try. Get a better hobby.

What are you talking about? The guy is obviously confident that 4k will be a success. Who are you to say he is way off mark? He has faith in the format, he doesn't have to speak for everyone else, just himself.
The troll statement IMO is just a cheap shot.

There are many articles making bold claims all over the internet. Are they all not allowed to make bold predictions? Get a grip man.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by wormraper

at least I don't have to go to the circus. we have on RIGHT here!!!!

You are right.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

What are you talking about? The guy is obviously confident that 4k will be a success. Who are you to say he is way off mark? He has faith in the format, he doesn't have to speak for everyone else, just himself.
The troll statement IMO is just a cheap shot.

There are many articles making bold claims all over the internet. Are they all not allowed to make bold predictions? Get a grip man.

I should be the one asking what you are talking about. I stated a prediction, and then later defended the basis of that prediction. I'm not the one parked here correcting every prediction that is different from mine. That would be you, him, and Ray that are doing that.

It is not a "cheap shot" to call it trolling when someone makes an insubstantial and blatantly provocative wise-arse remark, as you did; it is simply an observation of fact. It is very obvious from your activity in this thread, that you are just looking for conflict and argument. Sad... just sad.

The three of you guys have clearly taken it upon yourselves to install as the guardian trolls of this thread, and "correct" everybody else who doesn't share your outlook on 4k, as if you guys know something that the rest of us don't. Congratulations, your troll committee owns the thread...

as I said, you need to get a better hobby.

[pmac]

I'm guessing that the folks that state that 4k will be huge guaranteed also bet on HDDVD, I bought an HDDVD player originally, I guessed wrong.

It's ridiculous to speculate on that format yet, they don't even have a standardized media yet for the masses (that I'm aware of), and downloading will not likely be a decent option due to the size of the downloads. (I'm not trashing dl service, but face it, most people have dl caps, mine is 150 gigs a month, that wouldn't get me many movies in 4k ...or HD Audio...currently 1080p downloads don't come with HD audio am i right?).

And for those that seem to want to argue the fact that it will be huge, like it actually will make them better people because they "guess" right...you have no life, because no one really cares. If it takes off, good, if it becomes a niche market so what. Good for those that can afford to replace all their equipment and start fresh.