Top 10 most dangerous states to live (2013)

[Visco.]

I figured Jersey would be on there. Wasn't expecting Delaware and Maryland

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by MaCruz

Not surprised that Florida is on this list.

Fla was the only one I knew before reading the list.

Would have thought New York too,... Maybe the criminals get away with it more there so that skews the statistics.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

When you look past Detroit and Flint, the rest of the state (especially to the north and west) are quite safe.

Same with Tennessee. The vast majority of crime is concentrated in 2 cities, Memphis and Nashville.

[blurayisnice]

New York & California are not on the list? xD LOL
I read that at least 1 person is killed in New York (city) every day.

[nolfoc]

Originally Posted by blurayisnice

New York & California are not on the list? xD LOL
I read that at least 1 person is killed in New York (city) every day.

you must have read this in a fictional book.. also aren't you from Europe? how would you know anything about what goes on in the United States.. Just an FYI, NY is the HARDEST state to get away with a ton of stuff. Bloomberg is currently in the process of banning convertibles because it helps promote skin cancer.. between him and Rudy NYC has cleaned up a lot.. can't say the same for Upstate NY though.. people get freaky in the sticks

[nolfoc]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Fla was the only one I knew before reading the list.

Would have thought New York too,... Maybe the criminals get away with it more there so that skews the statistics.

you have a more likely chance of winning a scratch off in NYC than buying a gun

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by emac213

That's crazy about Alaska, why the hell is rape so high in Alaska?

Rape and child abuse. Lots of poorer people are stuck inside much of the year, and alcoholism, coupled with poverty, means too many victims mixed with too many repeat offenders.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by blurayisnice

New York & California are not on the list? xD LOL
I read that at least 1 person is killed in New York (city) every day.

That would be one in 8 million, a very tiny percentage. When you have one in 200,000 killed, it's far more pervasive.

[MrHT]

Holy cow!!! NY didn't make the list???? I, personally, think it's the most dangerous and would easily rank it as #1.

[nolfoc]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Holy cow!!! NY didn't make the list???? I, personally, think it's the most dangerous and would easily rank it as #1.

ha you're nuts man! I feel like this is you

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[MrHT]

Originally Posted by nolfoc

ha you're nuts man! I feel like this is you

I live in NY and have lived here all my life. Trust me, it's not safe here at all. My uncle got robbed and beaten up in the subway several years ago and he has the scar on his face to prove it.

[Jett Rink]

Originally Posted by MrHT

I live in NY and have lived here all my life. Trust me, it's not safe here at all. My uncle got robbed and beaten up in the subway several years ago and he has the scar on his face to prove it.

With a population of 19.57 million, there is no way that it can be safe. My guess is the only reason it did not make it on the list was due to a really connected PR person.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Jett Blu

With a population of 8.3 million, there is no way that it can be safe. My guess is the only reason it did not make it on the list was due to a really connected PR person.

I know. If NY is indeed safe, I guess it's because there are so many people and too many witnesses, so people are more reluctant to commit crime???

[Jett Rink]

Originally Posted by MrHT

I know. If NY is indeed safe, I guess it's because there are so many people and too many witnesses, so people are more reluctant to commit crime???

I messed up, new total in post.

[blurayisnice]

Originally Posted by nolfoc

you must have read this in a fictional book.. also aren't you from Europe? how would you know anything about what goes on in the United States.. Just an FYI, NY is the HARDEST state to get away with a ton of stuff. Bloomberg is currently in the process of banning convertibles because it helps promote skin cancer.. between him and Rudy NYC has cleaned up a lot.. can't say the same for Upstate NY though.. people get freaky in the sticks

Common, did you really have to ask this? Internet, tv, radio, newspapers... Oh djee, I have absolute no idea what happens over there in The New World .

And btw, I seem to know more about New York City than you do. That you live in New York City doesn't make you an expert. Here is my proof:

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New York City's Murder Rate Was Zero Last Monday

New York City went a day without a murder on Monday, which according to police was the first time anyone could remember that happening. Overall, the city's murder rate this year is down 23%, reaching levels last seen in 1960. This is a milestone in the 20-year-long decline of violent crime in the Big Apple. It's cause for celebration, and Reuters reports that crime expert Tom Repetto attributes the success in part to the city's aggressive policing strategies, the famous "broken windows" tactics that got started in the 1990s under Ray Kelly, the police chief, and have more recently included the controversial stop-and-frisk policy.

Hmmm. Broken windows. Really?

But hold on a minute. Up in Boston, they also had tremendous success in cutting murder rates in the 1990s. But they didn't focus on the broken-windows strategy, stop-and-frisk, or going after petty offenders. Instead they launched a project called "Operation Ceasefire" to cut gang violence.

Gangs? Okey dokey.

But hold on another minute! What's that you say, Eric Tucker of the Associated Press? Washington, DC is likely to see its first year in decades with less than 100 murders? Wow! In the late 1980s and early 1990s Washington had over 500 murders per year. Why the decline? No single factor, says Mr Tucker. A little of this, a little of that, a little of something else you probably never even thought of.

Matt suggests this means we shouldn't look for simple answers:

What's the takeaway message? I'd say there are two of them. First of all, beware of takeaway messages! Lots of things in life, maybe most things, often the most important things, don't have explanations that can be packaged as a simple, coherent thesis. Second, given our inability to explain definitively why the crime rate is falling, we may need some scepticism about the recent push to demand scientifically valid evidence for the effectiveness of social betterment programmes. Random controlled trials might very well have found that the broken-windows strategy doesn't prevent crime, "Project Ceasefire" doesn't prevent crime, reducing rates of single motherhood doesn't prevent crime, family planning doesn't prevent crime, banning lead doesn't prevent crime, and so on and so forth; there might have been no statistically significant difference one could isolate for any of these things. And yet it seems extremely likely to me that most or all of these were good things to do! The drop in violent crime probably has to do with all of them.

I want to be careful here. Crime is a complex problem, and Matt is right that lots of things can affect both its rise and fall. I happen to believe that both "broken windows" and "Operation Ceasefire" programs are effective. And yet, I think he's 180 degrees off here. If you had lots of different cities with lots of different results, you'd be justified in thinking that lots of different things were responsible. But when you have lots of different cities all showing the exact same thing—a huge and completely unexpected drop in violent crime—does it really make sense that it's happening for a different reason in every city? It might! But that would sure be a monumental coincidence. More likely, there's some single factor underlying the decrease that affected the entire country. In fact, since drops in violent crime were also recorded in Canada during the past two decades, and elsewhere around the world during other time periods, it's probably some worldwide factor. And on that score, gasoline lead reigns supreme. There's really nothing else that persuasively explains a global rise and fall in violent crime that happens at different times in different countries. More on this later.

Source: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...ro-last-monday

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So no crime was news, instead of the opposite... Says a lot if you ask me!

In 2012, 414 homicides were recorded in New York City. That is 1.134 murders per day on average. That might seem high, but that is the lowest number since at least 1963. So in (at least) the previous 49 years, more people were killed per day on average in NYC.

[Anthony P]

I think what people are missing is

1) New York is not just NYC. The city is roughly 8M while the state is close to 20M

2) 1.134 murders a day is a lot but NYC has 8M people that comes out to roughly 5 murders per 100,000 for the year. Now, obviously, murder is only one of the violent crimes but it is also only for one city in NY (if the rest of the state has less it will average out lower)

[nolfoc]

Originally Posted by MrHT

I live in NY and have lived here all my life. Trust me, it's not safe here at all. My uncle got robbed and beaten up in the subway several years ago and he has the scar on his face to prove it.

I have lived here my whole life as well.. honestly you can say no where is safe, you can walk any block at any time and get beaten up anywhere.. of course there are spots I wouldn't be walking at night time, but that can be said about ANY state..

Originally Posted by blurayisnice

Hmm... sorry if this is ''insulting'', but this has to be one of the dumbest comments I've read in a long while... Common, did you really have to ask this? Internet, tv, radio, newspapers... Oh djee, I have absolute no idea what happens over there in The New World .

And btw, I seem to know more about New York City than you do. That you live in New York City doesn't make you an expert. Here is my proof:

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[Show spoiler]
New York City's Murder Rate Was Zero Last Monday

New York City went a day without a murder on Monday, which according to police was the first time anyone could remember that happening. Overall, the city's murder rate this year is down 23%, reaching levels last seen in 1960. This is a milestone in the 20-year-long decline of violent crime in the Big Apple. It's cause for celebration, and Reuters reports that crime expert Tom Repetto attributes the success in part to the city's aggressive policing strategies, the famous "broken windows" tactics that got started in the 1990s under Ray Kelly, the police chief, and have more recently included the controversial stop-and-frisk policy.

Hmmm. Broken windows. Really?

But hold on a minute. Up in Boston, they also had tremendous success in cutting murder rates in the 1990s. But they didn't focus on the broken-windows strategy, stop-and-frisk, or going after petty offenders. Instead they launched a project called "Operation Ceasefire" to cut gang violence.

Gangs? Okey dokey.

But hold on another minute! What's that you say, Eric Tucker of the Associated Press? Washington, DC is likely to see its first year in decades with less than 100 murders? Wow! In the late 1980s and early 1990s Washington had over 500 murders per year. Why the decline? No single factor, says Mr Tucker. A little of this, a little of that, a little of something else you probably never even thought of.

Matt suggests this means we shouldn't look for simple answers:

What's the takeaway message? I'd say there are two of them. First of all, beware of takeaway messages! Lots of things in life, maybe most things, often the most important things, don't have explanations that can be packaged as a simple, coherent thesis. Second, given our inability to explain definitively why the crime rate is falling, we may need some scepticism about the recent push to demand scientifically valid evidence for the effectiveness of social betterment programmes. Random controlled trials might very well have found that the broken-windows strategy doesn't prevent crime, "Project Ceasefire" doesn't prevent crime, reducing rates of single motherhood doesn't prevent crime, family planning doesn't prevent crime, banning lead doesn't prevent crime, and so on and so forth; there might have been no statistically significant difference one could isolate for any of these things. And yet it seems extremely likely to me that most or all of these were good things to do! The drop in violent crime probably has to do with all of them.

I want to be careful here. Crime is a complex problem, and Matt is right that lots of things can affect both its rise and fall. I happen to believe that both "broken windows" and "Operation Ceasefire" programs are effective. And yet, I think he's 180 degrees off here. If you had lots of different cities with lots of different results, you'd be justified in thinking that lots of different things were responsible. But when you have lots of different cities all showing the exact same thing—a huge and completely unexpected drop in violent crime—does it really make sense that it's happening for a different reason in every city? It might! But that would sure be a monumental coincidence. More likely, there's some single factor underlying the decrease that affected the entire country. In fact, since drops in violent crime were also recorded in Canada during the past two decades, and elsewhere around the world during other time periods, it's probably some worldwide factor. And on that score, gasoline lead reigns supreme. There's really nothing else that persuasively explains a global rise and fall in violent crime that happens at different times in different countries. More on this later.

Source: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...ro-last-monday

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So no crime was news, instead of the opposite... Says a lot if you ask me!

In 2012, 414 homicides were recorded in New York City. That is 1.134 murders per day on average. That might seem high, but that is the lowest number since at least 1963. So in (at least) the previous 49 years, more people were killed per day on average in NYC.

you posted an article that is a YEAR old a lot has happened since then clearly by the new top 10 list.. you're a 19 year old kid, no offense but a teenager doesn't have all the answers (I'm sure your parents tell you that all the time; mine use to tell me) and I'm not going to sit here and argue with someone that doesn't even live in the United States, this thread is for U.S. crime rates honestly I am shocked to see you even caring enough to come in here.. Seriously though would have no clue what goes on in the United States unless you actually sat their and just look stuff up all day long about the United States and NY, does the news where you're from follow daily stories that happen here in N.Y.?. I have no clue about crime in the Europe because it isn't talked about and I honestly couldn't care less.. long story short the news focus's more on what is going on in the state I live in or U.S., World issues only get discussed when it is something important worth discussing; mostly terrorist attacks or threats from other countries; issues of that sort.. crime rate in the U.K. isn't the topic of choice, Crime has decreased a whole lot in NY, and when I mean NY I mean NYC and Long Island.. Upstate is another world hence why we weren't on the top 10 list this year. you also have to remember NYC is the biggest and most popular city in the world.. we have millions and millions of people here daily, something is bound to happen and with the number of people being so high and not being on the top 10 most dangerous states to live in is pretty amazing if you ask me

http://www.nber.org/digest/jan03/w9061.html

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I think what people are missing is

1) New York is not just NYC. The city is roughly 8M while the state is close to 20M

2) 1.134 murders a day is a lot but NYC has 8M people that comes out to roughly 5 murders per 100,000 for the year. Now, obviously, murder is only one of the violent crimes but it is also only for one city in NY (if the rest of the state has less it will average out lower)

the highest crime rate in NY is in newburgh which is in upstate

[Anthony P]

you posted an article that is a YEAR old a lot has happened since then clearly by the new top 10 list

that makes no sense what so ever. The article was about violent crimes by state, how does it show murders per city?

the highest crime rate in NY is in newburgh which is in upstate

the only Newburgh I could find in NY state is not in upstate but 60 miles from NYC on the Hudson river http://www.cityofnewburgh-ny.gov/exp...ly-is-newburgh and is under 30k people

[MrHT]

And here I was considering moving out of NY. It's great and all, but it's just so crowded here and hectic. I can't even get myself to drive regularly here in the city because drivers are so abusive and aggressive. I have a driver license but never use it to drive. So, I always commute via public transportation. Everyone is in a hurry and is pushy. I always considered moving to another state like Florida, but after reading this thread, I may have to reconsider my plans. I either have to put up with NY or find another state that's peaceful and safer.

It's such a shame Florida is listed. I went there over a decade ago when I was a teenager and I liked it there a lot.

I wonder how safe Hawaii is....

[Batman1980]

I am ashamed to admit I live in New Mexico.