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Old 12-04-2013, 10:44 PM   #90021
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I'd second that Nikkatsu Noir set. It was fantastic. It's the only Eclipse set I've watched multiple times. Don't get me wrong, the other sets I own are great, but when I'm looking to rewatch one of those sets, it always calls out to me the loudest.
I'll third the Nikkatsu set. I've watched it multiple times, too.

I'm don't know a ton about Japanese film, but I'd also recommend the Mizoguchi Eclipse set. I revisit it pretty regularly, too. The heart in these movies comes through real strongly despite the cinematic and cultural differences.

These are two of my favorite Eclipse sets...the most surprising to me.
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Old 12-04-2013, 10:56 PM   #90022
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I'll third the Nikkatsu set. I've watched it multiple times, too.

I'm don't know a ton about Japanese film, but I'd also recommend the Mizoguchi Eclipse set. I revisit it pretty regularly, too. The heart in these movies comes through real strongly despite the cinematic and cultural differences.

These are two of my favorite Eclipse sets...the most surprising to me.
I've had the Mizoguchi Eclipse in my wishlist for a long time, but I already have half the films as they came as bonuses in some Mizoguchi MOC releases I already have. Maybe next 50% off I can justify it.

I've also had the Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu set in my wishlist. Does anyone have any opinions on that one?
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Old 12-04-2013, 10:58 PM   #90023
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Old 12-04-2013, 11:25 PM   #90024
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Solaris is an amazing Tarkovsky film... I haven't seen it in a while but its a beautiful film. It's haunting and mysterious and even paranormal. If its horror, its the best kind to me, since there was no blood or gore in the end. It's a ghost story set in space in many ways too.

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Thanks a lot guys! Solaris is still in my mind days later. Definitely haunting.

My girlfriend surprised me and picked up Eyes Without a Face for me before the BN sale was over. Any of you check that out? Don't know too much about it. These amazon lightning deals are killing me! I picked up Diabolique and The 39 Steps. And if I get the chance will probably try to pick up Gold Rush later in the week. This is becoming an unhealthy addiction ha!
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Old 12-04-2013, 11:25 PM   #90025
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Sony Pictures Classics is one that comes to mind for me.
Added to the list for me to look at.

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Old 12-04-2013, 11:26 PM   #90026
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I saw your other posts so I know that you are first exploring the Criterion Collection. With that being said, my advice would be to check out some other titles and wait for the price to drop on the Scorsese box set. The Terrence Malick films are not only artful, but very enjoyable too. I'd go that route in the meantime. Maybe check out some of the French New Wave directors like Truffaut, Melville, Louis Malle, and Bresson. I've enjoyed just about everything from them that I've dipped into so far.
Thank you for your advice. I'll add some titles of theirs to my list. I'll grab a few when the next sale gets here.

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Wait for the 50% Criterion flash sale in February.
That'll be near my birthday. Fantastic!
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Old 12-04-2013, 11:30 PM   #90027
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My girlfriend surprised me and picked up Eyes Without a Face for me before the BN sale was over. Any of you check that out? Don't know too much about it. These amazon lightning deals are killing me! I picked up Diabolique and The 39 Steps. And if I get the chance will probably try to pick up Gold Rush later in the week. This is becoming an unhealthy addiction ha!
You're on a roll here with some great films.

Eyes Without a Face is a disturbing, yet oddly beautiful, horror film that really pushed the envelope during its time. I won't spoil any of it for you, but it will certainly haunt you.

Diaboloque is one of the original "misdirection movies", meaning that it was the direct ancestor of the M. Night Shyamalan movies and such. It plays out quite brilliantly.

The 39 Steps is a superb adventure/espionage film, and it's my favorite Hitchcock title in the Criterion Collection, although I love all of them.

The Gold Rush is wonderful filmmaking, and the 1925 version on the disc is probably tied with City Lights as my favorite Chaplin movie. The chicken hallucination always cracks me up.
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I'd second that Nikkatsu Noir set. It was fantastic. It's the only Eclipse set I've watched multiple times. Don't get me wrong, the other sets I own are great, but when I'm looking to rewatch one of those sets, it always calls out to me the loudest.
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I'll third the Nikkatsu set. I've watched it multiple times, too.

I'm don't know a ton about Japanese film, but I'd also recommend the Mizoguchi Eclipse set. I revisit it pretty regularly, too. The heart in these movies comes through real strongly despite the cinematic and cultural differences.

These are two of my favorite Eclipse sets...the most surprising to me.
Nice!! looks like the Nikkatsu is a must buy ... however I don't know much about the movies in the Mizoguchi set, the only movie i've watched of his - 'The Life of Oharu'.. which i found mildly depressing.
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Old 12-04-2013, 11:45 PM   #90029
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Oh no, I like James Cameron's Titanic, even if it is overwrought. It's a hundred times better than Avatar.

I simply prefer the stately British aesthetic of A Night to Remember. The attention to detail in that film is marvelous, even if the specifics of the sinking ship were later determined to be inaccurate.
I think the earlier film revolved around the ship with the characters in a supporting role and Cameron's film had the ship playing a reduced role supporting the story of Jack and Rose. I enjoy both.
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Old 12-04-2013, 11:46 PM   #90030
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Yay! I'm going to be getting some new Criterion movies soon. Chasing Amy will no longer be alone on my shelf. Three eighties cult classics will be mine by late January. Long live the new flesh!!!

The others are Repo Man and Eating Raoul.

Maybe Fear and Loathing as well... That one depends entirely on gift cards.
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Old 12-04-2013, 11:48 PM   #90031
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You're on a roll here with some great films.

Eyes Without a Face is a disturbing, yet oddly beautiful, horror film that really pushed the envelope during its time. I won't spoil any of it for you, but it will certainly haunt you.

Diaboloque is one of the original "misdirection movies", meaning that it was the direct ancestor of the M. Night Shyamalan movies and such. It plays out quite brilliantly.

The 39 Steps is a superb adventure/espionage film, and it's my favorite Hitchcock title in the Criterion Collection, although I love all of them.

The Gold Rush is wonderful filmmaking, and the 1925 version on the disc is probably tied with City Lights as my favorite Chaplin movie. The chicken hallucination always cracks me up.
Thanks! You just got me really excited for Eyes Without a Face and Diabolique! They sound like they're right up my alley. I'll let you know what I think.
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:05 AM   #90032
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in terms of great Eclipse sets, I'd also throw out there the Larisa Shepitko set. It's only two movies but both are great, and if you like war movies then this set is a must. The Ascent is alongside Paths of Glory my favorite war movie.
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:15 AM   #90033
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in terms of great Eclipse sets, I'd also throw out there the Larisa Shepitko set. It's only two movies but both are great, and if you like war movies then this set is a must. The Ascent is alongside Paths of Glory my favorite war movie.
I took the plunge with the Shepitko set during the B&N sale. This is my first Eclipse set too.

Paths of Glory is still on the wish list but if the B1G1 sale comes to fruition then it will be mine
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:35 AM   #90034
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Got most of my lightning deal purchases today. Got some over the past week and have 1 more coming.



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I've had the Mizoguchi Eclipse in my wishlist for a long time, but I already have half the films as they came as bonuses in some Mizoguchi MOC releases I already have. Maybe next 50% off I can justify it.

I've also had the Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu set in my wishlist. Does anyone have any opinions on that one?
I love the Shimizu set. It's the only Eclipse set I own that I've made it all the way through. Plus Chishu Ryu makes an appearance, so that's a bonus.
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Old 12-05-2013, 02:52 AM   #90036
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I love the Shimizu set. It's the only Eclipse set I own that I've made it all the way through. Plus Chishu Ryu makes an appearance, so that's a bonus.
Thanks. I think the next Criterion sale for me will be 2 or 3 Eclipse sets.
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Old 12-05-2013, 03:48 AM   #90037
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Bout to dive into the cassavetes set tonight! Looks so awesome!
OT: so did anyone take the plunge and buy The Canyons? Saw it at BB for 14$. Anyone watch it?
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I am a huge fan of the Eclipse series. They contain some of the most outstanding films in the Criterion Collection. As a rule, the Japanese sets are easy to recommend. All the sets I have seen are excellent.
  • Eclipse 11: Larisa Shepitko (this is my favorite Eclipse set, see below)
  • Eclipse 13: Kenji Mizoguchi's Fallen Women (contains two of the best films in the Criterion Collection - Women of the Night and, especially, Street of Shame)
  • Eclipse 17: Nikkatsu Noir
  • Eclipse 12: Aki Kaurismaki's Proletariat Trilogy
  • Eclipse 32: Pearls of the Czech New Wave
But I also highly recommend:

Eclipse 4: Raymond Bernard
Eclipse 28: The Warped World of Koreyoshi Kurahara
Eclipse 5: The First Films of Samuel Fuller
Eclipse 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu

Eclipse 21: Oshima's Outlaw Sixties - not for everyone, but I absolutely love it and consider it essential.


Here are some thoughts I had previously posted on some of these sets:

Eclipse 11: Larisa Shepitko -
[Show spoiler]This is an outstanding pair of films. No one explores WWII themes consistently as good as the Russians. Shepitko is tops on my list of directors who died before they had a chance to really break onto the world stage (she was killed in a car accident after making only four films).

The Ascent is her final and most acclaimed film; it is brilliant and powerful. A story about two Russian soldiers-turned-partisans who find themselves trapped in a very bad situation and the choices each man must make. It is a very realistic look at the risks and terrors of being a partisan behind German lines in Belorussia (most were former Red Army soldiers cut-off by the German advance in 1941). The film explores the fragility of the human psyche and has some well done allegorical elements that elevate the story beyond the standard war movie. The ending is truly unforgettable. Another plus is the terrific musical score. It is one of my favorite pieces of music in a film; used sparingly, it builds at just the right moments to underline events with dramatic impact.

Wings is an under-appreciated gem of Russian cinema. A character drama, it explores the post-war frustrations and sorrows of a former female fighter pilot who, a decade after the war, is now head of a provincial school. She can't help but compare her present condition with her past. She realizes that the highlight of her life, the time when she felt the most alive, was the war. Now all she has to look forward to is a dreary bureaucratic job assigned to her by the state as a reward for being a war hero. She is in charge of mostly unappreciative and troublesome students who don't care about the war or its effects on Soviet society. But most of all she is conscious that she is growing older, and that she is haunted by memories from her past of a lost love. Very good stuff.



Eclipse 13: Kenji Mizoguchi's Fallen Women -
[Show spoiler]The four films in the set feel very real and identifiable. Like many of the characters in the Oshima and Kurahara sets, the characters in the Mizoguchi set are living on the edges or the underbelly of society. There are two pre-war and two post-war films in the set. As the title suggests, the subject matter is fallen women, how they got there, how their lives play out, and how they are viewed by others. Mizoguchi does a masterful job of exposing some of the darker aspects of Japanese society, where geishas, consorts, and prostitutes are both revered and reviled, an element of the culture that is closer to the surface and more an accepted part of everyday life than in many Western countries.

One theme persistent through all four films is that many of these women got to be who and where they are through the callous actions of inconsiderate and selfishly manipulative men. With a few exceptions, the men involved are not consciously cruel or violent; in fact, none of them is exceptional in any way, which makes these films all the more hard hitting and socially enlightening. The men portrayed are ordinary, basically acting out their traditional roles in Japanese society. I can imagine that in the time these films were made, for a film maker to take on these subjects must have been daring.

Osaka Elegy and Sisters of the Gion (1936) - Both of these pre-war films are well done with engaging stories. One memorable character from Osaka Elegy is the father of one of the women, an oafish man whose bad financial decisions have led his daughter to support him any way she can, including compromising herself in a destructive relationship as the mistress of her boss. Despite the degradations she endures, the father shows no remorse or even recognition of his role in the whole mess. He despises her, as does her sister and brother.

One thing I liked is that both films offer time capsule views of Osaka before the war. Vibrant neon nights portrayed in black and white, details of the city streets, shops, and homes, music and puppetry performances, people interacting in every day exchanges, all of it has an intimacy to it similar to what I felt watching People on Sunday. There is no hint that Japan was in the death grip of militancy at that time, just richly detailed human stories set in urban environments.

Women of the Night (1948) – This is a terrific and memorable hard-luck tale of two sisters trying to survive in the aftermath of Japan’s defeat in WWII. The film immediately establishes itself as noticeably darker in theme than the pre-war films. The story begins soon after the surrender, when soldiers and civilians posted in Korea and China are demobilizing and being repatriated home, many of them mental wrecks. One of the sisters is living with her in-laws while her husband is away overseas. She is caring for her own sick baby while helping to support her husband’s family, including a wastrel brother-in-law who is an ex-soldier drinking away bad memories instead of looking for work. About twenty minutes into the movie an event occurs that is immensely sad and moving, and the story shifts ahead a couple of years. I found Mizoguchi’s direction superb; he establishes so much human detail in the first minutes of the film that the viewer is swept away by unfolding events and plunged into the emotional turmoil that follows. This is an exceptional film, really well done.

Filmed a few years after the war, Women of the Night has little of the urban vibrancy of the 1936 films. Dilapidated buildings and bombed-out rubble are the backdrop. Life is recovering, the Japanese are rebuilding, businesses are struggling and attempting to grow, but the economy is precarious. It would not be until the Korean War (1950-1953) that Japan roared back, and this film shows life on the ground in Osaka a couple of years before.

Street of Shame (1956) - Absolutely brilliant!! A masterpiece of Japanese cinema. Street of Shame has no one main character, but instead focuses on five prostitutes working in the same brothel during a time when Japanese society is changing in its views toward prostitution, becoming less accepting and even debating laws to close the “comfort” houses. The debate is part morality campaign and part attempt to improve the standing of women in Japanese society by making prostitutes seek more useful and what is seen as less degrading employment. Mizoguchi's subtle direction shows how misguided these attempts are, that while seemingly well intentioned they are in fact causing misery and even greater despair and hardship in the lives of the women.

Mizoguchi also shows us a theme of social consciousness driven by a male point of view, and that not much will change in these women’s prospects even if the law passes. The women themselves recognize they have no skills that can gain them employment that pays anything close to prostitution, and yet they are trapped in a world of exploitation, perpetually in debt to men, whether it is the brothel owner, a husband who is unable to work, or a father who has enormous financial burdens.

There is so much depth of character in this film that each of the women stands on her own. One is a she-devil who uses her customers for financial gain to the point of ruining their lives, yet she is coldly calculating and perhaps the smartest of them all. Another is older, aware of her fading looks, and trying to maintain a relationship with a teenage son who cannot understand what she has gone through in life and hates her for being a prostitute despite all she has sacrificed for him. Another is a loving mother and wife, forced to make as much money as she can with her limited job prospects to support an unemployed husband and their baby. The husband is mentally defeated in his outlook on life, suicidal, and suffering from a sickness requiring expensive medicine. His problems are not specifically diagnosed, but he appears to be a war veteran suffering from malaria and post-traumatic stress.

The ending of Street of Shame is one of the greatest I have ever seen in a film. Simply devastating in its quiet, dramatic impact.



Eclipse 21: Oshima's Outlaw Sixties -
[Show spoiler]In my opinion, the films in this set are some of the most complex and least straght forward of the Japanese Eclipse sets. They are filled with symbolism and frequent absurdities, and some of the story constructs can make parts of them difficult to grasp, but if you make the attempt to take hold, the rewards are there in spades.

One thing I find striking about Oshima is that in many of his films he questions and raises awareness about the darker side of the Japanese psyche. He often acknowledges the postwar implications of the death-obsessed nature of many in Japanese society during the militaristic period before and during WWII, including its cultural impacts and carryover into a rebuilt and thriving Japan. He was doing this at a time when few others dared such a thing. The films in this set were all made barely 20 years after Japan's surrender, and only 10 years after the signing of a final peace treaty with the US.

Each film in the Eclipse set is unique, not just in plot, but also in overall look and "feel", even while re-using some of the same actors (who are invariably great in each role they play). In a way, Oshima's Outlaw Sixties is like a Japanese BBS set, all directed by Oshima. Pleasures of the Flesh and Japanese Summer: Double Suicide are probably my favorites.

The most complex and memorable film in the set by far, in my opinion, is Sing a Song of Sex. At its core, Sing a Song of Sex chronicles the actions of four disillusioned and frequently callous Japanese youths who seem only interested in pursuing a good time while remaining disinterested in the social activism swirling around them. Parts of the film are laugh-out-loud funny in the antics of the four students, making it both the most humorous and the most darkly serious film in the Eclipse set. It has multiple layers and subtexts involving, among other things, getting laid, forced sex fantasies, the poor treatment of Koreans in Japanese society, the clash of traditions vs 1960s modernism in post-war Japan, and even the deeper social and political meanings in bawdy pub songs sung by working class Japanese (hence, the title of the film). Ironically, the bawdy nature of these songs is why the young men enjoy them; singing these songs becomes the student's only real connection to the social activism surrounding them.



Eclipse 28: The Warped World of Koreyoshi Kurahara -
[Show spoiler]Intimidation (1960) - Criterion describes this as Kurahara's pocket-sized noir (it is only 65 minutes long) but it certainly packs a wallop. Not a moment of time is wasted in this fiendish little Hitchcockian-style tale of blackmail, murder, and deceit. Even though I had figured out a few things early on, the twists and surprises were still there to enjoy.

The Warped Ones (1960) - fantastic jazz music score and camera work accompany this kinetic story about a couple of small time delinquents on the path to greater crimes. One wants to be a big-time yakuza gangster, the other just wants to drift day to day supporting himself through thievery as he does what he pleases regardless of consequences to himself and others. He is a true "wild man" who becomes a sort of dark anti-hero to a group of idiotic hipster artists, including one who wrong-headedly sees him as an object of salvation despite the utter misery he has caused in her life.

I Hate But Love (1962) - to me, the most pleasant surprise in the set. It is a romantic drama/comedy uniquely Japanese in that while beng a wickedly entertaining look at the male character's quest to understand the meaning of true love, it also explores dark themes including suicide, violence, pampered celebrities, and destructive personality flaws that tear at relationships. The movie is very watchable, but definitely not a couple’s guide to relationships as the man shows strong misogynic tendencies and the woman is a control freak with that seemingly ubiquitous 1960s Japanese movie trait of being death-obsessed if things don’t work out her way.

Black Sun (1964) – revisits the main character from The Warped Ones later in life. He is still a jazz obsessed hoodlum living day to day off what he can steal and fence, yet he has mellowed, if that is the correct word, into no longer being a poisonous tornado in the lives of others, and is now more sympathetic as a pathetic and lonely crook. There is a lot to digest in Black Sun, as early on the main character is taken captive by a wounded black US soldier on the lam for murder and a warped buddy film soon develops out of the situation. The ending is a pure cinematic kick in the groin, and takes the film’s title to its literal conclusion.

Thirst for Love (1967) – as the case liner notes point out, this film was a contemporary of Suzuki’s Branded to Kill and Oshima’s Sing a Song of Sex. In many of the same ways that the latter film is the most memorable in the Oshima’s Outlaw Sixties set, to me Thirst for Love is the most dark, memorable, and layered film in the Kurahara set. Ruriko Asaoka, who also stars in I Hate But Love, plays a character who, as the story unfolds, we discover is not what she appears. The film is difficult to describe, and while each of the five films in the Kurahara set is uniquely different and enjoyable, Thirst for Love is the most different, with voiceovers, narration, and even intertitles to facilitate the telling of the story. It is a horror movie without consciously being a horror movie, or at least I did not realize it until it was over.

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Old 12-05-2013, 04:19 AM   #90039
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Just ordered the MOC version of The Burmese Harp on Blu-ray so that will probably get an upgrade from Criterion to blu-ray shortly.
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Old 12-05-2013, 04:21 AM   #90040
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I'm one of those people that has a hard time buying DVDs now that I'm on the Blu Ray train.

I did just get my first Eclipse set though, the Post War Kurosawa one at my wife's urging as she loves his movies so much.

So, hopefully it'll be the first of many.
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