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View Poll Results: Which of the 3D movies scheduled for 2012 are you most looking forward too?
Underworld: Awakening 14 27.45%
The Woman in Black 1 1.96%
Journey 2: The Mysterious Island 0 0%
Dr. Seuss' The Lorax 2 3.92%
Snow White 3D 3 5.88%
Clash of the Titans 2 5 9.80%
Dorothy of Oz 2 3.92%
Cabin in the Woods 2 3.92%
The Avengers 21 41.18%
Men in Black III 8 15.69%
Madagascar 3 0 0%
Prometheus 12 23.53%
Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter 6 11.76%
Brave 6 11.76%
The Amazing Spider-Man 22 43.14%
Ice Age: Continental Drift 2 3.92%
Dredd 3 5.88%
Hotel Transylvania 1 1.96%
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3D 3 5.88%
Halloween 3D 4 7.84%
Wreck-It Ralph 2 3.92%
47 Ronin 0 0%
Gravity 1 1.96%
Rise of the Guardians 1 1.96%
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey 26 50.98%
Life of Pi 1 1.96%
17 Days of Winter 1 1.96%
Beauty and the Beast 3D 6 11.76%
Boo U. 1 1.96%
Chronicles of the Mayan Tunnel 1 1.96%
Escape From Planet Earth 1 1.96%
Flanimals 1 1.96%
Hansel and Gretel in 3D 1 1.96%
Heavy Metal 2 3.92%
Honky Tonk Pirates 1 1.96%
Monkey King 0 0%
Monsterpocalypse 1 1.96%
Norm of the North 1 1.96%
Popeye 1 1.96%
Ring 3D 3 5.88%
The Nut Job 0 0%
Forget about all these movies I just want some French Toast 3 5.88%
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Old 12-05-2013, 04:56 PM   #501
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Good point about ParaNorman's mild 3D, which actually seemed to weaken as the movie progressed. Coraline I'd have to watch again, though the 3D could have been so much more of a sight if they amped it up.
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Good point about ParaNorman's mild 3D, which actually seemed to weaken as the movie progressed. Coraline I'd have to watch again, though the 3D could have been so much more of a sight if they amped it up.
Yeah, Coraline could have been more consistent in maintaining appropriate roundness (although I assume it was an conscious artistic decision not to do so). They amped up everything about the 3D at certain sequences, which were very effective.

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That would be cool if the movie San Andreas resembled the chaos of the movie 2012, but in 3D this time.

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I don't see why it's complex?

Coraline, Pirates band of misfits and Paranorman's inconsistent and mild 3D were creative choices. Stop-motion is the easiest for shooting 3D to get lots of stereo roundness while using little on screen parallax. Go watch The Flying Machine, they didn't hold back on the 3D in the Stop-motion sequence.
More complex for the single Rig Camera (vs a traditional 3D dual camera rig) for Pirates in the sense that the stereographer is not actually seeing the 3D results playback live to check the 3D, unless they have a way to connect the two takes from the two shot camera (one shot right eye, shift over and click a shot for the left eye) to watch it moments later on test 3D video.

Regular stop motion not being more complex for 3D other than the tiny camera that then shifts mechanically to take the second 3D shot.

Which might explain why Pirates' 3D was more conservative.
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Old 12-08-2013, 02:38 AM   #504
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Maybe I was high on pop-corn but the 3D in Coraline, Pirates and Paranorman was fantastic.
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Old 12-08-2013, 04:17 AM   #505
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That would be cool if the movie San Andreas resembled the chaos of the movie 2012, but in 3D this time.



More complex for the single Rig Camera (vs a traditional 3D dual camera rig) for Pirates in the sense that the stereographer is not actually seeing the 3D results playback live to check the 3D, unless they have a way to connect the two takes from the two shot camera (one shot right eye, shift over and click a shot for the left eye) to watch it moments later on test 3D video.

Regular stop motion not being more complex for 3D other than the tiny camera that then shifts mechanically to take the second 3D shot.

Which might explain why Pirates' 3D was more conservative.
I'm sure they have a way to combine the left and right stereo images and view them on set. Doesn't seem like it would be that hard.

It's easier to create orthoplastic roundness with stop motion 3D because the sets are smaller, and there is less physical distance between the subject of the frame and a wall behind it. You could use less parallax than in a movie with human actors but still have proper roundness.

Now that I think about it, they probably adjusted there stereo settings for the scale issue and over-compensated a bit without paying enough attention to roundness. I think that's the most likely explanation for why those movies look the way they do. Either that, or the filmmakers just like it flat-ish.
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Old 12-10-2013, 03:22 AM   #506
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That's true, the post convergence zoom adjusting can add more depth, but sometimes at the cost of the foreground object's roundness, making the foreground flatter to meet the screen level and prevent "window violations" that cut off body parts during pop out.

You can post converge the dual images till the foreground object is practically flat, one image on exactly top of the other, resulting in a flatter look, and one major reason we see a lot of movies that go into the screen and not out of it.

So the new Star Trek will be handled by another director. Should be interesting. I'd guess 2016 before we see it.

2015 with Star Wars VII 3D December 2015.
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Maybe I was high on pop-corn but the 3D in Coraline, Pirates and Paranorman was fantastic.
On their own, the mild 3D gives the impression of 3D well enough. Comparing them to stronger 3D films like the animated Madagascar 3 3D for example (even though it's CGI and not stop motion), the 3D pales in comparison for the 3D layers.


3D PREVIEWS before the Hobbit 2:
Jupiter Ascending (2D preview of a 3D movie) from the Creators of the Matrix Trilogy. Sean Bean plays a mentor type figure to Tatum Channing (or Channing Tatum). Looks interesting.
Rio 2 3D: Strong 3D
Amazing Spider Man 2 3D: Upper Medium 3D looks great here along with the movie. Can't wait and I wasn't a big fan of the first reboot. Much better 3D this time even during dialog scenes. Converted if I remember this round.
Sleeping Beauty Witch 3D (Forget the title): Medium 3D. Looks interesting starring Angelina Jolie as the evil turned good witch with the horns.
47 Ronin: Medium 3D. The shot with the red mask has some weird 3D going on probably due to a post convergence editing error.
Nuts 3D: Medium 3D. About squirrels and mice with references to Lord of the Rings.

2D ONLY:
Edge of Tomorrow: Tom Cruise sci fi action only in 2D. No 3D version. Looks interesting.
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Old 12-13-2013, 08:46 PM   #508
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On their own, the mild 3D gives the impression of 3D well enough. Comparing them to stronger 3D films like the animated Madagascar 3 3D for example (even though it's CGI and not stop motion), the 3D pales in comparison for the 3D layers.


3D PREVIEWS before the Hobbit 2:
Jupiter Ascending (2D preview of a 3D movie) from the Creators of the Matrix Trilogy. Sean Bean plays a mentor type figure to Tatum Channing (or Channing Tatum). Looks interesting.
Rio 2 3D: Strong 3D
Amazing Spider Man 2 3D: Upper Medium 3D looks great here along with the movie. Can't wait and I wasn't a big fan of the first reboot. Much better 3D this time even during dialog scenes. Converted if I remember this round.
Sleeping Beauty Witch 3D (Forget the title): Medium 3D. Looks interesting starring Angelina Jolie as the evil turned good witch with the horns.
47 Ronin: Medium 3D. The shot with the red mask has some weird 3D going on probably due to a post convergence editing error.
Nuts 3D: Medium 3D. About squirrels and mice with references to Lord of the Rings.

2D ONLY:
Edge of Tomorrow: Tom Cruise sci fi action only in 2D. No 3D version. Looks interesting.
I saw a trailer of Edge Of Tomorrow on Apple TV and it DOES say it will be presented in REAL 3D and in IMAX 3D.
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On their own, the mild 3D gives the impression of 3D well enough. Comparing them to stronger 3D films like the animated Madagascar 3 3D for example (even though it's CGI and not stop motion), the 3D pales in comparison for the 3D layers.


3D PREVIEWS before the Hobbit 2:
Jupiter Ascending (2D preview of a 3D movie) from the Creators of the Matrix Trilogy. Sean Bean plays a mentor type figure to Tatum Channing (or Channing Tatum). Looks interesting.
Rio 2 3D: Strong 3D
Amazing Spider Man 2 3D: Upper Medium 3D looks great here along with the movie. Can't wait and I wasn't a big fan of the first reboot. Much better 3D this time even during dialog scenes. Converted if I remember this round.
Sleeping Beauty Witch 3D (Forget the title): Medium 3D. Looks interesting starring Angelina Jolie as the evil turned good witch with the horns.
47 Ronin: Medium 3D. The shot with the red mask has some weird 3D going on probably due to a post convergence editing error.
Nuts 3D: Medium 3D. About squirrels and mice with references to Lord of the Rings.

2D ONLY:
Edge of Tomorrow: Tom Cruise sci fi action only in 2D. No 3D version. Looks interesting.
That sucks, all I got the 2D for Edge of Tomorrow and 3D for the new 300 movie.
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I saw a trailer of Edge Of Tomorrow on Apple TV and it DOES say it will be presented in REAL 3D and in IMAX 3D.
That would be cool, thanks for the news Taygan.

Just checked. You're right! I don't know how I missed it in this thread: Probably was thinking of Oblivion with Cruise and figured this got the same pass over with 3D.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edge_Of_Tomorrow

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That sucks, all I got the 2D for Edge of Tomorrow and 3D for the new 300 movie.
Cinemark thankfully packed in the 3D trailers and even had some 3D commercials. Sorry to hear they only played 1 3D preview, DogofWar.


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What was 300 2's 3D like?
Same here. Hopefully 300 2 delivers on the 3D layers.
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What was 300 2's 3D like?
The trailer was stunning. The movie looks incredible, the 3D was ridiculous. I wasn't really looking forward to this but after the trailer, I'll be there opening weekend.
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A new Trailer on TV for Hercules 3D was on Fox TV tonight. Looks like a good Gladiator style action movie starting January 10th, 2014. That same month I Frankenstein 3D and Seventh Son 3D. January should be a good month for 3D action movies.


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The trailer was stunning. The movie looks incredible, the 3D was ridiculous. I wasn't really looking forward to this but after the trailer, I'll be there opening weekend.
Cool. I saw the 300 Part II 2D teaser trailer, but if by "ridiculous" you mean "Strong 3D", all the better. What month does it release?


To my surprise, Amazing Spider Man 2
's 3D looks great in every shot including dialog shots, which for the first movie's dialog, had minimal 3D at best. I remember Bleed Orange's analogy about being at a dinner table, where you wouldn't close one eye to get a better view of the conversation, suggesting there is no good reason to subdue the 3D just because it's a dialog shot. Agreed and it looks like they got the idea this time, though this one is said to be converted.
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To my surprise, Amazing Spider Man 2's 3D looks great in every shot including dialog shots, which for the first movie's dialog, had minimal 3D at best. I remember Bleed Orange's analogy about being at a dinner table, where you wouldn't close one eye to get a better view of the conversation, suggesting there is no good reason to subdue the 3D just because it's a dialog shot. Agreed and it looks like they got the idea this time, though this one is said to be converted.
The Takashi Miike remake for Harakiri was shot on 3D and it suffered from the exact same problems as The Amazing Spiderman. I knew the film was going to be mostly talking on traditional japanese houses and with virtually no action but considering how pretty the scenery is and how bombastic Miike can be it's kind of sad that the film looks insanely flat (This is the same man that gave us Audition, Ichi The Killer and Visitor Q). The film itself was amazing and it's almost as good as the original so I can't ***** about that.

I'm glad the second one seems to be genuinely strong in 3D. However... I still think the CGI looks awful and considering Gravity was made with 130 million dollars less is kind of embarrasing.

Any way I can look at the 3D trailers for 300: Rise Of An Empire and The Amazing Spiderman 2? The only trailers I got on my HFR 3D screening of The Hobbit: The Desolation Of Smaug were the 2D trailer of 300, the 2D trailer of I, Frankenstein (Which looks terrible) and a trailer for a shitty mexican soup opera which thankfully was in 2D as I would hunt down every Televisa member that were involved if it was a native 3D production as if I was Liam Neeson in Taken.
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The Takashi Miike remake for Harakiri was shot on 3D and it suffered from the exact same problems as The Amazing Spiderman. I knew the film was going to be mostly talking on traditional japanese houses and with virtually no action but considering how pretty the scenery is and how bombastic Miike can be it's kind of sad that the film looks insanely flat (This is the same man that gave us Audition, Ichi The Killer and Visitor Q). The film itself was amazing and it's almost as good as the original so I can't ***** about that.

I'm glad the second one seems to be genuinely strong in 3D. However... I still think the CGI looks awful and considering Gravity was made with 130 million dollars less is kind of embarrasing.

Any way I can look at the 3D trailers for 300: Rise Of An Empire and The Amazing Spiderman 2? The only trailers I got on my HFR 3D screening of The Hobbit: The Desolation Of Smaug were the 2D trailer of 300, the 2D trailer of I, Frankenstein (Which looks terrible) and a trailer for a shitty mexican soup opera which thankfully was in 2D as I would hunt down every Televisa member that were involved if it was a native 3D production as if I was Liam Neeson in Taken.
Sorry to hear the 3D for Miike's remake for Harakiri was mild at best from the sound of it. How did the 3D in Argento's Dracula turn out if you were able to see it also?

How did you like the CGI animation in a movie like Beowulf 3D? All actors were motion captured, along with the film Monster House, resulting in some very lifelike, realistic and believable movement.
I agree the studios need to do more of that for realistic CGI digital stunt men such as Spider Man, instead of relying on animators, who don't always get the motion right if the goal is to replicate unmistakable human movement. Just watch Del Toro's Blade 2 and the sequence when Blade is against the flood lights fighting the Ninjas, even Wesley Snipes admitted it looked like a video game animation (in the commentary).
On the other hand, for cartoon animated CGI or Disney, Pixar, Dreamworks, animators are a great choice.

The 3D trailers aren't up yet as far as I can tell online.


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Titan A.E. - Was named by Fox when they stated their intention to convert catalog titles.
X-Men - Perfect choice and can be cross promoted with new 3D X-Men movie.
Lake Placid - Possible but more further down the track if Fox keeps doing these releases.
Alien Resurrection - I could see them doing this over the other films for a lot of reasons.
Volcano
Broken Arrow
Speed - I think this one is highly likely.
Predator 2 - Maybe they might want to convert all of the Predator movies? Hopefully!
Edward Scissorhands
Home Alone
Die Hard - I think this one like Speed is highly likely.
Rise of the Planet of the Apes - Cross promote with the newest 3D Apes movie.
The Day the Earth Stood Still - The Reeves one.
Max Payne - I hate this movie but I can see them doing it.
Babylon A.D. - Same as Max Payne.
Aliens vs. Predator - As with Die Hard and Speed I think this is highly likely.
Night at the Museum - If the third film is 3D they could cross promote it.
Fantastic Four
Mr. & Mrs. Smith - I'd like this one myself.
The Day After Tomorrow
Wrong Turn - It sold really well and is still quite popular.
Daredevil - Aflek is the new Batman so I could see this coming to capitalize on that.
From Hell
Good list Tigermoth.
I highlighted in bold the titles I'd most like to see converted into at the very least, medium 3D (instead of mild 3D which we've been getting so far from these quick turnaround conversions).
To the Studio Conversion Team: Make it look great in 3D or else 3D fans will begin to lose interest if they already have it on video. I hope Predator 3D turns out better than I Robot's very mild 3D (most of the time). It was borderline 2D except for the action scenes (low medium 3D).

Cool to hear the new Apes sequel will be in 3D also.
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Sorry to hear the 3D for Miike's remake for Harakiri was mild at best from the sound of it. How did the 3D in Argento's Dracula turn out if you were able to see it also?

How did you like the CGI animation in a movie like Beowulf 3D? All actors were motion captured, along with the film Monster House, resulting in some very lifelike, realistic and believable movement.
I agree the studios need to do more of that for realistic CGI digital stunt men such as Spider Man, instead of relying on animators, who don't always get the motion right if the goal is to replicate unmistakable human movement. Just watch Del Toro's Blade 2 and the sequence when Blade is against the flood lights fighting the Ninjas, even Wesley Snipes admitted it looked like a video game animation (in the commentary).
On the other hand, for cartoon animated CGI or Disney, Pixar, Dreamworks, animators are a great choice.

The 3D trailers aren't up yet as far as I can tell online.
Dracula 3D is one of the worst things I've ever seen (And considering I liked Silent Hill Revelations, Caligula and many other poorly reviewed films that's a very big warning). The 3D is fine I guess but there's a major problem with the film: It looks like a BBC production from the 70's if it was done in the 2000's and it has some of the worst CGI I've ever seen (Mortal Kombat Annihilation still holds the crown in that category). It looks insanely flat in 2D and it offers some mild to medium 3D only because of the pop-outs. The acting is terrible, it's not scary, it's unintentionally hilarious (Dracula transforms into a ****ing giant praying mantis and kills a guy and... they pretend it never happened) and it's Argento's worst film. I'd avoid it at all costs unless you are the biggest Dario Argento fan in the planet or if you need to own almost every 3D film you can find or use it for riffing material and to torture your friends.

As for the topic of CGI I think they should start using more motion capture. I loved how Monster House, Beowulf and Tintin looked and it looked utterly real. I just came back from my screening of The Hobbit: The Desolation Of Smaug and it used motion capture with Benedict Cumberbatch which turned out to be one of the best uses of CGI out there so I really think we should stop using it without skill, it needs motion capture if you don't want your film to look like Call Of Duty May Cry Battlefield Final Fantasy 3D Black Ops 12 .
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Dracula 3D is one of the worst things I've ever seen (And considering I liked Silent Hill Revelations, Caligula and many other poorly reviewed films that's a very big warning). The 3D is fine I guess but there's a major problem with the film: It looks like a BBC production from the 70's if it was done in the 2000's and it has some of the worst CGI I've ever seen (Mortal Kombat Annihilation still holds the crown in that category). It looks insanely flat in 2D and it offers some mild to medium 3D only because of the pop-outs. The acting is terrible, it's not scary, it's unintentionally hilarious (Dracula transforms into a ****ing giant praying mantis and kills a guy and... they pretend it never happened) and it's Argento's worst film. I'd avoid it at all costs unless you are the biggest Dario Argento fan in the planet or if you need to own almost every 3D film you can find or use it for riffing material and to torture your friends.

As for the topic of CGI I think they should start using more motion capture. I loved how Monster House, Beowulf and Tintin looked and it looked utterly real. I just came back from my screening of The Hobbit: The Desolation Of Smaug and it used motion capture with Benedict Cumberbatch which turned out to be one of the best uses of CGI out there so I really think we should stop using it without skill, it needs motion capture if you don't want your film to look like Call Of Duty May Cry Battlefield Final Fantasy 3D Black Ops 12 .

Sorry to hear about Argento's Dracula. I wonder if he was going for a "so bad it's good" style film without admitting it? The 3D being flat doesn't help invite new fans if it's very flat most times. Thanks for the feedback on it.

I forgot they motion captured the Dragon Smaug. It looked great, agreed. Cumberbatch was great as Khan in Trek into Darkness also. I think for this one they lowered the pitch of his voice and amped up the bass. Sounded great.

With Smaug, I really thought by the end of part II we'd see the
[Show spoiler]end of Smaug but it was a good idea they saved him for the start of Part III before the war over the mountain begins, which should be epic.
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A new Trailer on TV for Hercules 3D was on Fox TV tonight. Looks like a good Gladiator style action movie starting January 10th, 2014. That same month I Frankenstein 3D and Seventh Son 3D. January should be a good month for 3D action movies.

Cool. I saw the 300 Part II 2D teaser trailer, but if by "ridiculous" you mean "Strong 3D", all the better. What month does it release?
By ridiculous, I mean strong 3D. Comes out early March.

For whatever reason, I Frankenstein looks awful. We got the trailer before Thor and it just seems insanely stupid to have Frankenstein flying around like Alice from Resident Evil.

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By ridiculous, I mean strong 3D. Comes out early March.

For whatever reason, I Frankenstein looks awful. We got the trailer before Thor and it just seems insanely stupid to have Frankenstein flying around like Alice from Resident Evil.
It's from the producers of Underworld so you should expect hammy performances, a story so incomprehensible that it makes the Saw films' plot look completely understandable and terrible CGI.
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Unfortunately you will have to wait another year for that one. Sorry to be the bringer of such bad news.
The trailer he was talking about was probably The Legend of Hercules directed by Renny Harlin, the first Hercules movie being released next year.

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By ridiculous, I mean strong 3D. Comes out early March.

For whatever reason, I Frankenstein looks awful. We got the trailer before Thor and it just seems insanely stupid to have Frankenstein flying around like Alice from Resident Evil.
Cool about the 3D for 300 part 2. I need to look up the full name for that one.

Yeah, I Frankenstein does have the over the top style to it. I'm hoping the action is as good as the Underworld movies. I'm not going in expecting a traditional Frankenstein, but them just using the name for an action movie with monsters in it. The guy that played Two Face (Dent) in The Dark Knight plays the lead role. Bill Nighy is also.

I can understand why it wouldn't appeal to others.

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Unfortunately you will have to wait another year for that one. Sorry to be the bringer of such bad news.
Feb 6, 2015. Wow. Bummer.
A whole year delay for Seventh Son. The competition was tight and movies about Dragons (outside of The Hobbit) generally don't do well at the box office. Oh well. This looked pretty cool. I'm guessing the 3D wasn't ready. Prime Focus may be working on it, and lately, they've been doing a very nice job compared to their earliest very mild conversions.
GI Joe Retaliation went from Summer 2012 to March, April 2013 or so, and the 3D turned out medium to strong 3D layering, so it was worth the wait IMO. I hope that is the case here. Thanks for the heads up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_Son_(film)

Actually, it suggests being sold to Universal was the reason for the delay.



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The trailer he was talking about was probably The Legend of Hercules directed by Renny Harlin, the first Hercules movie being released next year.

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Yes, the preview played Saturday night on TV and said "In 3D" at the end surprisingly. Along with Frozen by Disney, Walking with Dinosaurs, and a few others recently.

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