Is my plasma too old?

[ShockWave]

He actually doesn't have a kuro. He has a pure vision pioneer. The kuro is leaps over the pv panel. If he were to buy a used kuro he wouldn't be going backwards. If you were to do research you would see that a kuro would be many steps forward from your current panel. It all depends on your budget really. If you can afford a zt/vt, I personally would go that route. Because the set will be new, accurate colors and brighter set. If I could not afford a panny. I would definitely buy a used kuro with under 10k hours. Only buy a elite so isf could be used. I would be more them happy in either case. Yes 9g kuro is that good period!

[saprano]

In terms of PQ the kuros are still up to date. Still the reference for some. It's the reason people look for used ones. The TV is still compared to other sets in reviews too.

Either way OP, you can't go wrong with which ever one you choose.

Do you care about smart TV features?

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by ShockWave

He actually doesn't have a kuro. He has a pure vision pioneer. The kuro is leaps over the pv panel. If he were to buy a used kuro he wouldn't be going backwards. If you were to do research you would see that a kuro would be many steps forward from your current panel. It all depends on your budget really. If you can afford a zt/vt, I personally would go that route. Because the set will be new, accurate colors and brighter set. If I could not afford a panny. I would definitely buy a used kuro with under 10k hours. Only buy a elite so isf could be used. I would be more them happy in either case. Yes 9g kuro is that good period!

That was then, this is now! Regardless how good the Pioneer Kuros were, they are still old HDTVs, and not being manufactured anymore, so you are comparing old technology to new technology, which has no merit whatsoever. HDTVs has advanced significantly since Kuros were made. VCRs were good back in the early 80s too, but would you still go out and buy one, after experiencing DVD, and most of all, the blu-ray? Some people just refuse to let go of the past, and embrace the present, and the future.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by slimdude

Regardless how good the Pioneer Kuros were, they are still old HDTVs, and not being manufactured anymore, so you are comparing old technology to new technology, which has no merit whatsoever. HDTVs has advanced significantly since Kuros were made. VCRs were good back in the early 80s too, but would you still go out and buy one, after experiencing DVD, and most of all, the blu-ray? Some people just refuse to let go of the past, and embrace the present, and the future!

Have you ever seen a Kuro in action, with Blu-Ray? Or compared it to anything - and I mean anything - in performance?

It doesn't sound like it.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

Have you ever seen a Kuro in action, with Blu-Ray? Or compared it to anything - and I mean anything - in performance?

It doesn't sound like it.

I've seen the Kuros, and blu-ray look good on any HDTV when it's properly calibrated, not just the Kuros. I have a Panasonic, and blu-ray looks fantastic on it as well.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by slimdude

I've seen the Kuros, and blu-ray look good on any HDTV when it's properly calibrated, not just the Kuros. I have a Panasonic, and blu-ray looks fantastic on it as well.

I agree with you on this. The OP's current TV should be just fine.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by slimdude

That was then, this is now! Regardless how good the Pioneer Kuros were, they are still old HDTVs, and not being manufactured anymore, so you are comparing old technology to new technology, which has no merit whatsoever. HDTVs has advanced significantly since Kuros were made. VCRs were good back in the early 80s too, but would you still go out and buy one, after experiencing DVD, and most of all, the blu-ray? Some people just refuse to let go of the past, and embrace the present, and the future.

The VCR was a horrible comparison. That made no sense.

In what way has HDTV's advanced significantly? In terms of PQ? I disagree. Like i said the kuro can still be compared to displays today. Only a few TV's do some things better like the ZT60 but it's in no way significant and the kuro still has the best blacks at 0.0005. I don't mean to sound like I'm bragging but it's the facts. Look it up. Funny that Panasonic decided to compare its TV's "new technology" with an "old technology." And even bought the patents.

In terms of features? Yes. All HDTV's have surpassed the kuro when it comes to being a smart TV.

[mrchallenge]

Yeah I guess in some ways, my model was the precursor to the Kuro.

I'm not really interested in features. As long as movies actually look like movies on the screen, I'm happy.

Its funny, my TV has a relatively paltry black level of 0.14, which is terrible by today's standards, but from watching it, the blacks and detail in dark scenes still look really good. So I dunno, do the stats even matter at all when it comes to my model?

My friend has a relatively new 60 inch Samsung LED and although detail is good, the blacks are lousy on his screen and there's alot of "soap opera effect". I was playing around with his remote trying to find a way to switch it off but to no avail. So I guess maybe there's a bit of a trade off between looking cinematic at the expense of having a slightly soft picture?

[ShockWave]

I'm confused?

Do you want to know if the 9g kuro and newer panasonics have better pq then your current panel. In every important quality of a panel yes they are. If you're not looking for a new set it doesn't matter. If your happy it doesn't matter if it's better. But the newer panels product significant better pq. And yes number do matter when you can actually see them with the human eye.

[mrchallenge]

I guess what I'm trying to get at is whether or not it is worth it to get a new set. My current budget is only around 1500 at the moment. Are there any models at this price range that will be a noticeable upgrade over my current model in term of PQ?

[ShockWave]

Originally Posted by mrchallenge

I guess what I'm trying to get at is whether or not it is worth it to get a new set. My current budget is only around 1500 at the moment. Are there any models at this price range that will be a noticeable upgrade over my current model in term of PQ?

Worth it is subjective really. It you're the type that wants to keep up with the tech then yes. If pq is a priority to you then yes. In today's market 1500 is a great budget. Yes the link I provided is a amazing panel. And will be very noticeable side by side.

Panasonic TC-P55VT60 55-Inch 1080p 600Hz 3D Smart Plasma HDTV (Includes 2 Pairs of 3D Active Glasses and B... http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BC4SJEC

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by mrchallenge

Yeah I guess in some ways, my model was the precursor to the Kuro.

I'm not really interested in features. As long as movies actually look like movies on the screen, I'm happy.

Its funny, my TV has a relatively paltry black level of 0.14, which is terrible by today's standards, but from watching it, the blacks and detail in dark scenes still look really good. So I dunno, do the stats even matter at all when it comes to my model?

My friend has a relatively new 60 inch Samsung LED and although detail is good, the blacks are lousy on his screen and there's alot of "soap opera effect". I was playing around with his remote trying to find a way to switch it off but to no avail. So I guess maybe there's a bit of a trade off between looking cinematic at the expense of having a slightly soft picture?

You can turn off the motion flow by going inside of the menu.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by saprano

The VCR was a horrible comparison. That made no sense..

It wasn't a comparison in the first place, it was an example.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by saprano

The VCR was a horrible comparison. That made no sense.

In what way has HDTV's advanced significantly? In terms of PQ? I disagree. Like i said the kuro can still be compared to displays today. Only a few TV's do some things better like the ZT60 but it's in no way significant and the kuro still has the best blacks at 0.0005. I don't mean to sound like I'm bragging but it's the facts. Look it up. Funny that Panasonic decided to compare its TV's "new technology" with an "old technology." And even bought the patents.

In terms of features? Yes. All HDTV's have surpassed the kuro when it comes to being a smart TV.

I would have agree with what you said about the Kuro. It most definitely holds it own, even today.

[PriSM]

Originally Posted by slimdude

HDTVs has advanced significantly since Kuros were made.

[Mr Kite]

The VT & ZT surpassed the Kuro in every aspect, but it's taken a long time to do so. So either one of these would be an excellent choice.

Here is a review of the ZT:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...ge=Performance

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by tele1962

The VT & ZT surpassed the Kuro in every aspect, but it's taken a long time to do so. So either one of these would be an excellent choice.

Here is a review of the ZT:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...ge=Performance

No, they have not. They are on par, visually, and they do 3-D, if that's a standard of measurement. But they haven't exceeded the Kuro.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

No, they have not. They are on par, visually, and they do 3-D, if that's a standard of measurement. But they haven't exceeded the Kuro.

Yes they have you can still buy them.

I think you might need to read the review again. But all being said the difference is very small.

[ShockWave]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Yes they have you can still buy them.

I think you might need to read the review again. But all being said the difference is very small.

Yes the new zt/vt does do things better then the kuro for sure. From what I read the kuro still owns black level. But color and brightness go to the Panasonic. Both panels are amazing. I'll have both in my house very soon!

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Yes they have you can still buy them.

I think you might need to read the review again. But all being said the difference is very small.

I've read multiple reviews of these units, since I was looking for something for my youngest son. There's more than one review.

It's a superb unit, which I recommend as the best 1080p unit currently available (probably not past the end of January). But by concensus - and I've seen calibrated units - it's definitely on par with the Kuro, but does not exceed it in any way. It's close enough, for my book. I don't really see much difference between the two.