Metallica: Through the Never - January 28, 2014 preorder

[JJ87]

Are there any pics anywhere of the über-düber-limited Doris edition?

[tenebre6]

any idea which version on amazon has the 3D disc?

[jblank]

http://www.amazon.com/Through-Never-...9712917&sr=1-1

This one is the 3D version.

[gates70]

So if I'm getting this right, the only way to have both the 2D and 3D in the same set is to buy the Limited Deluxe 3D Blu-Ray Set ?

[Black Sabbath]

Originally Posted by gates70

So if I'm getting this right, the only way to have both the 2D and 3D in the same set is to buy the Limited Deluxe 3D Blu-Ray Set ?

According to the Metallica website: Yes.

You could get the steelbook from Germany as well, which is actually a little cheaper than the US set (though the US set comes with the lithograph and bandanna), but I think the steelbook may be region locked.

EDIT: Anyone know what this is? https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Metal...Blu-ray/93732/

[gates70]

Originally Posted by Black Sabbath

According to the Metallica website: Yes.

You could get the steelbook from Germany as well, which is actually a little cheaper than the US set (though the US set comes with the lithograph and bandanna), but I think the steelbook may be region locked.

EDIT: Anyone know what this is? https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Metal...Blu-ray/93732/

Thanks! Holy hell, that deluxe edition is $70 on Amazon.ca

[tenebre6]

so whats this one?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[MasterSandman]

Just got this email from the fan club

Through The Never Limited Doris Edition Deluxe 3D Blu-Ray Sets on sale for Clubbers this Friday

For those of you that won the reservation contest and have not placed your order yet, this is a reminder that you have until 5:00 PM Pacific Time on Thursday, January 16, 2014 to purchase your box set.

Any remaining box sets not sold through the reservation process will become available for other Clubbers to purchase on Friday, January 17, 2014 at 1 PM Pacific Time in the Met Store. If you have already purchased a set, you will not be able to purchase another, as this item is limited to 1 per member.

The price is $169.99 plus shipping and handling charges (plus sales tax for California Residents). You will not be able to order any other items at the time you purchase your box set. Box sets will ship the week of January 27th and you will receive an e-mail once your box set is on the way.

Limited Doris Edition Deluxe 3D Blu-Ray Set (3-Discs + Digital Download)
Includes 3D Lenticular Artwork
Limited to 1,000 Pieces

DISC 1 (3D Blu-Ray disc)
1. Metallica Through The Never Movie in 3D

DISC 2 (2D Blu-Ray disc)
1. Metallica Through The Never Movie

DISC 3 (2D Blu-Ray disc)
1. Making of Metallica Through the Never Documentary
2. Theatrical Trailer
3. "Master Of Puppets" Music Video
4. EPK - Cast & Crew Interviews
5. Interviews With The Sound & Music Team
6. Mill Valley Film Festival Q&A With Metallica, Director Nimród Antal & Dane Dehaan
7. Orion Festival 2013 Film Tent Highlights with Lars Ulrich

ALSO INCLUDES
1. Limited Edition Metallica Through The Never Bandana
2. Limited Edition Metallica Through The Never Movie 8.5" x 11" Poster Lithograph Autographed by All Four Members of Metallica
3. A piece of a stage prop used during the filming of Metallica Through the Never. Fans will receive an actual piece of "Doris" (The Statue of Lady Justice - dimensions of the piece are approx. 4" x 4" x 2"). This will not be sold anywhere else now or ever again.

Picture of a piece of Doris:

[Show spoiler]

The bandana:

[Show spoiler]

The lithograph:

[Show spoiler]

[Black Sabbath]

Bandana and litho are cool, but I think I'll stick with my German steelbook

[MasterSandman]

The Doris sets are already going for a pretty penny on E Bay:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...doris&_sacat=0

[Carcaridon]

Originally Posted by needalalareneg

I'll be getting this for sure, too bad that don't sound this good and in time in their real live performances. Obviously they just re-recorded these versions.

There are so many out of time parts on Death Magnetic, but when you listen to Cyanide from this it's perfectly in time Sped up of course, but pretty well perfect.

Actually any performance I've heard of their older stuff has been pretty solid. If anything the newer material hasn't gelled as much, but the older stuff always seems rock solid.

[tenebre6]

Originally Posted by needalalareneg

I can just tell I've been playing for over 20 years and know these songs inside and out and how sloppy the live shows sound if Lars isn't using a click.

Put a click on Cyanide from DM and you will hear so many problems, they corrected all of those issues here

Plus the worst of them all on DM is the beginning of My Apocalypse (probably my favorite song on DM). Listen to how drastically the tempo changes from 0:00 to 0:42. If skip back and forth between those 2 points you will here how much Lars speeds up and can tell Rick Rubin was sleeping during this recording

On Quebec Magnetic they played it in time, and it was pretty well perfect, better than on DM (timing I'm saying, Hetfield always sounds better in the studio).

I'm just a super nitpicky crazy perfect pitchy musician, it probably wasn't worth bringing up because no argument is every won when it comes to Metallica.

I can just hear that it all sounds re-recorded.

What are you on about? even the smallest studio records albums with a click.....

listen HERE at 5:30 and you hear the click while recording.

No one records in a studio without am click of some kind anymore. Also the engineer would have been more likely timing the click. and its just 2 different tempos merged on the DM intro which is easy to program in PT. Live they use the single tempo because I am sure it was too difficult tom get the change right. Whereas in the studio they could do a dozen retakes. either way... they used a click recording DM.

[RandyK]

A lot of bands re-record parts of live performances if they're releasing it on Blu/DVD. They want to get the best sounding product out there to attract potential new customers.

Also why bands do 2-3 nights in the same city when they record a show. They take the best parts from each night and compile them together.

[bunkz323]

Seen this in Imax with Lars present at Norwalk and man this was awesome! Day 1 for me

[gettodamoofies]

It hasn't been re-recorded. What they've done is what they did with Quebec Magnetic. Obviously they gone through and mixed the guitars well so they don't have as harsh and close-miced sound that their usual live recordings you can download have. The vocals have been tweaked a little but if anything again it's mostly better mixing.

The main thing is the drums. As a drummer and being very familiar with Lars' playing and sound it's painfully obvious they've gone through and applied peak normalization to every single kick and snare hit. They've then triggered them. The snare stands out quite obviously as of more recent times Lars' snare has been tuned higher in pitch and despite some dampening it always has quite a few overtones and ringing. The snare sound is now tight, far lower in pitch and much more akin to the snare tone you'd have heard in the late 80's/early 90's. They've also tightened up his double kick work by shifting hits so it's not sloppy.

Being a movie and a concert film I'm not surprised they did this, after all it would be quite poor NOT to produce a mix that sounded decent.

As for the recording - well the most definitely did record with a click but they did not use it for all sections of a song. There was a behind the scenes feature where it specifically talked about choosing when to and when not to use a click.

[gettodamoofies]

Originally Posted by needalalareneg

To me it sounds completely different than QM. They also added guitar parts and small vocal harmonies as well. He is singing completely different too, like singing more of the parts in Puppets and other songs.

You're right though, it is a film and I guess I would do the same, probably re-record everything. I just wish they would remix Justice.

To me, Lars just sounds better than normal live.

Listen to how he plays Cyanide in the clip below compared to TTN, to me he is playing how it should sound on DM and it's more in time than DM.

[Show spoiler]Metallica - Cyanide - live - 2009-07-07 - Nimes, France - YouTube

I don't think anything in the above video is "more in time" than on Death Magnetic. The Nimes show released on the Français Pour une Nuit Blu-ray has the most blatantly obvious triggering of any of Metallica's releases. Quebec Magnetic is relatively free of it in comparison but Français Pour une Nuit shows flawless double kick passages in songs like Dyer's Eve and spot on kick work in the bridge section of One. That's why he sounds better than normal. There are videos on YouTube showing what the show actually sounded like. The engineers of the audio mix not only triggered the kick work but then moved the hits to the correct spots - except they didn't always get it right. You can hear it in the above video at 00:55-00:57 and 02:17-02:19. That's not what Lars does on the kick on either the studio recording or live. That's due to someone incorrectly dealing with those kick hits.

You are a drummer, you can here the timing problems on DM right? The first 42 seconds of My Apocalypse (put a click on it) the odd timing in the midsection of Cyanide right after the chorus? I know it is an odd timing in that part, just not how it sounds.

You might call them timing problems but I'm not sure they are. There are many bands that willingly choose not to use a click either for a full song or for particular sections to give them either a bit of breathing room or a bit more energy by slightly upping the tempo. That's what's happening at the start of My Apocalypse. It slightly increases the tempo. Watch the two hour documentary on the making of Death Magnetic. Lars actually discusses the use and lack of use of a metronome for certain sections of songs.

BUT on TTN it sounds the way it should sound on DM, really tight.

Again, that's what triggering and fiddling with the exact placement of hits will do. Nimes and Through the Never have obviously been heavily processed which is what I was saying. In terms of digital tinkering I would order the releases (from most to least):

1. Français Pour une Nuit
2. Through the Never
3. Quebec Magnetic

Through the Never is likely just as heavily processed as Français Pour une Nuit is (possibly more so), they've simply spent more time on the production of it so the resulting mix sits better and sounds more natural than Français Pour une Nuit where it was really obvious that things like the double kick work had been altered to the point that it had that Fear Factory-ish mechanical like precision. I like Lars for what he brings to Metallica (despite not being a fan of his technique or drum sound of late) but he is not mechanical like Gene Hoglan and it sounds really out of place when the performance has been poked and prodded to get it to a technically proficient level.

For the record, this is me doing a drum cover just to demonstrate I'm not a faceless, nameless person bashing Lars' performance (which I'm not - just pointing out it's definitely been worked on quite a bit in the studio post-performance) with no proof that I'm remotely qualified to say anything about the subject:

Chevelle - Get Some (drum cover) - YouTube

[Snowmaker]

Is there a CONCERT-ONLY version of the film on the Blu-ray withough all the riot stuff? I thought they were going to do that, but so far I see no mention.

[tama]

Originally Posted by Snowmaker

Is there a CONCERT-ONLY version of the film on the Blu-ray withough all the riot stuff? I thought they were going to do that, but so far I see no mention.

I too have noticed that??? Originally the Director and Band Members said there would 3 versions to choose from. The film, a concert only version, and the short movie version only with new music. But I have not seen anything in the press announcements of such.

[wicky_J]

Originally Posted by Snowmaker

Is there a CONCERT-ONLY version of the film on the Blu-ray withough all the riot stuff? I thought they were going to do that, but so far I see no mention.

Nope. Rumor has it that they may do another release further down the line, but nothing has been announced yet.

[Black Sabbath]

I'd double-dip for a concert-only edition, but I didn't mind the movie bits throughout.