Frozen 3D Blu-ray (2013) [Region Free]

[Jay Ellis]

Can't Disney just offer a limited 3D run of Frozen like what was done with Man in the Dark? It could be a preorder only 3D edition. That way, they wouldn't be stuck with lots of unsold inventory. I'm just trying to think of ways to persuade Disney and the industry in general to continue supporting the 3D Blu-ray demographic. I don't think it has to be a "all or nothing" mentality.

[atomik kinder]

Originally Posted by Jay Ellis

Can't Disney just offer a limited 3D run of Frozen like what was done with Man in the Dark? It could be a preorder only 3D edition. That way, they wouldn't be stuck with lots of unsold inventory. I'm just trying to think of ways to persuade Disney and the industry in general to continue supporting the 3D Blu-ray demographic. I don't think it has to be a "all or nothing" mentality.

I really think the disc production has nothing to do with it. If it is being produced for Europe, it can be produced for the US too and probably at the same facility. It is all about trying to get consumers to pay $36 for a digital download. Many people who enjoy 3D BD won't purchase it just because that is the only way it will be available and many more won't because they don't have access to stream it play it through a streaming device or even save it as a download.

[goldenrod]

What I don't understand is if Disney wants to stop 3D, then why have they released The Nightmare Before Christmas, Cars, Monsters university, Planes, Iron Man 3 and are releasing Thor: The Dark World.

[mediamikes]

Looks like the Best Buy page is not GONE as well!! Guess it just leaves REGION FREE imports right now...

[atomik kinder]

Originally Posted by goldenrod

What I don't understand is if Disney wants to stop 3D, then why have they released The Nightmare Before Christmas, Cars, Monsters university, Planes, Iron Man 3 and are releasing Thor: The Dark World.

I wouldn't say Disney wants to stop 3D. (the theatrical 3D makes them too much money) They are just expirimenting right now. I believe I read somewhere else that they will be dropping the DVDs from future releases also. It looks like Thor the Dark World 3d and 2D do not come with a DVD version. Disney think was one of the first studios to start including a DVD with the release and suddenly those are gone too.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by atomik kinder

I really think the disc production has nothing to do with it.

I think it DOES, actually:
They just got through a bad (and for them, expensive) spate of having to calm artificially-enraged fanboys--still in Eisner-is-evil mode who think they have to "punish" the studio for any technical slipup so they learn their lesson--over the disk exchange for a fault in Little Mermaid's mastering...Which, as usual, was soapboxed into "Why does this greedy uncaring studio mangle its movies so, etc.? "

Disney's note to themselves: Okay. Being nice about faulty-master tech exchanges doesn't work. Stonewall 'em next time, and release the fixed versions when you can. If there's no problem on the wider mass-market 2D, you can still make that sales window.
If they know there was a central fault in Frozen 3D's mastering, causing another expensive exchange and more fanboy rabble-rousing, it's better not to go out of the gate at all--They've done "retro" releases of the Pixar's and the early Lasseters, so they know the 3D fans will wait. (And the angry fanboys will accuse them of "being greedy and double-dipping".)

Originally Posted by atomik kinder

I wouldn't say Disney wants to stop 3D. (the theatrical 3D makes them too much money) They are just experimenting right now. I believe I read somewhere else that they will be dropping the DVDs from future releases also. It looks like Thor the Dark World 3d and 2D do not come with a DVD version. Disney think was one of the first studios to start including a DVD with the release and suddenly those are gone too.

Oz was a long-in-coming experiment in "How FEW disks can we put in an 'Ultimate' 3D edition?", as was the new policy of eliminating the Digital Copy disk in favor of a paper DMR code.
Fans were protesting over the needless fluffing of 4 and 5-disk releases just to get the 3D version, and while Disney (painfully) found out that 3D Oz fans wanted the 2D disk as well, fans weren't in a rush to demand the DVD copy. They learned that would probably be better paired off with the 2D+DVD release, and leave things divided equally.

What does this have to do with Frozen's problem at the moment? Not a ding-danged thing. We'll likely get the 3D+2D+no DVD/DC version later, just like we got the 3D Bolt and Meet the Robinsons later, only....less later, for obvious reasons.

Originally Posted by Taygan315

I think this Digital 3D thing with Frozen is going to FAIL MISERABLY for Disney and this will be a one trick sales tactic much like how Oz The Great And Powerful was.

Shark Night and Free Birds aside, there wouldn't BE a 3D digital release if Disney was "dropping it", unquote--
That's just a little more gun-smoke to support the crackpot "Problems with the hard-disk release" theory. (tinfoil-hat smiley)

If they're going to try and PR-spin it into "We're experimenting with our digital market!" after the fact, it'll fail, of course, seeing as there are only two 3D digital-download sites in existence (unless X-Box Network does it too) and only a handful of cable VOD.

[atomik kinder]

Originally Posted by EricJ

If they're going to try and PR-spin it into "We're experimenting with our digital market!" after the fact, it'll fail, of course, seeing as there are only two 3D digital-download sites in existence (unless X-Box Network does it too) and only a handful of cable VOD.

What would be the chances of Disney starting their own Digital service. They did it for a bit by hosting their own, but that shut down a while ago. For some reason I always thought it would come down to the studios wanting to control their own content and each providing their own service. Kind of sounds crazy, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[fitprod]

Originally Posted by atomik kinder

What would be the chances of Disney starting their own Digital service.

100%

It launches in February, in conjunction with Frozen.

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[EricJ]

Originally Posted by fitprod

100%

It launches in February, in conjunction with Frozen.

Details? Thought the whole DigitalCopyPlus tie-in with UV/Vudu/Amazon/iTunes was to take the tech-messier half of the business off their hands.

[Weeksy]

Originally Posted by EricJ

Details? Thought the whole DigitalCopyPlus tie-in with UV/Vudu/Amazon/iTunes was to take the tech-messier half of the business off their hands.

I was under the same impression - and haven't seen anything online detailing a new / seperate service, so I'd be curious on this as well.

I know that this is apparently one of the main reasons Region B is still getting a 3D physcal release, because while other studios have been releasing Digital Copies with their DVD's & Blu-Rays for the last few years, Disney have only just begun to do this locally in Australia & it isn't being widely used as yet.

[Phil92]

Originally Posted by Weeksy

I was under the same impression - and haven't seen anything online detailing a new / seperate service, so I'd be curious on this as well.

I know that this is apparently one of the main reasons Region B is still getting a 3D physcal release, because while other studios have been releasing Digital Copies with their DVD's & Blu-Rays for the last few years, Disney have only just begun to do this locally in Australia & it isn't being widely used as yet.

Disney released Digital Copies with their releases in the UK until, apparently, there was a poll that the majority voted we didn't want them. So I don't think they're about to reintroduce them anytime soon.

[Weeksy]

Originally Posted by Phil92

Disney released Digital Copies with their releases in the UK until, apparently, there was a poll that the majority voted we didn't want them. So I don't think they're about to reintroduce them anytime soon.

Wow, that's weird, we seem to be going the other way.

I think the first local releases to have it here was "The Little Mermaid" & "The Jungle Book", which are both only within the last few months - not that I was terribly dissapointed by missing out - prior to Ultraviolet, almost all of the Digital Copies provided here were tied to iTunes, and it was a pain displaying them through my TV without shelling out for an Apple TV.

[atomik kinder]

Originally Posted by EricJ

Details? Thought the whole DigitalCopyPlus tie-in with UV/Vudu/Amazon/iTunes was to take the tech-messier half of the business off their hands.

Me too, they tried it once and looks to have failed miserably. I didn't do an extensive search but could find nothing about a new service. If it was going to be lauching so soon, you would think they would be playing it up.

[Taygan315]

Originally Posted by EricJ

Details? Thought the whole DigitalCopyPlus tie-in with UV/Vudu/Amazon/iTunes was to take the tech-messier half of the business off their hands.

Only thing I heard was Disney's stream service will be launched on Feburary 26th. Haven't heard anything else.

[fitprod]

Originally Posted by Taygan315

Only thing I heard was Disney's stream service will be launched on Feburary 26th. Haven't heard anything else.

Maybe that's what I'm getting it confused with, but logically, if they're starting a stream service, it would make since it would be a download service as well.

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[Taygan315]

Originally Posted by fitprod

Maybe that's what I'm getting it confused with, but logically, if they're starting a stream service, it would make since it would be a download service as well.

fitprod

I'm assuming it is a download service as well.

[atomik kinder]

Got an e-mail from Amazon UK. Looks like the release date will be March 31st. I know everyone was saying that it was, due to Zavvi showing the release date as the 31st. Now it looks official for Amazon.

[XXXsdesdeXXX]

I was reading on another web-site that this will be available digitally a a Digital 3D release. Does that mean there will be a redemption code included for the 3D version with the Blu-ray or is it obtained some other way, such as through Vudu? I'd be ok with them having us pay a little bit more to get access to the Digital 3D version through Disney, but I don't think paying over $30.00 for it through Vudu is going to fly. I would ultimately rather have it available both digitally and physically rather than one or the other, but I'll take it.

[JediJones77]

It's possible that they are delaying the 3D release to keep 3D theatrical grosses going longer in the U.S., since the theatrical run is staying strong for a longer time than anyone would have ever predicted. Perhaps it's too much to reschedule the entire home video release and the planned marketing effort, but they can at least delay this variation to give some motivation for people to keep going to the theaters. This movie sold more tickets than anything they've done since the Toy Stories, Monsters, Nemo, Lion King, Aladdin and BATB. So if this doesn't get a 3D BD release then they'll have no reason to ever release another animated film on 3D BD.

3D seems to be getting mixed reception at the box office still, but family films seem to be faring the worst. Frozen only got 28% of its gross from 3D, about the same as Monsters 2 and Ralph. Thor 2 got 39% of its gross from 3D, while Thor 1 got 60%. Hobbit 2 got 49% from 3D, same as the first one. But somehow, Gravity got 80% from 3D though, higher than any other movie ever, even Avatar. So it seems like the more a movie is perceived as a high-tech special effects picture, the more people see it in 3D. But animated films have the least demand for a 3D viewing out of all types.

[fitprod]

Nope, unless they stun everyone, no discount on the 3D file besides what is offered by the retailer.

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