Help! most of my blu-ray titles look very grainy

[Forresttheman]

Try Sitting Farther Back From The Tv

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by dakota81

Movie mode is different from film mode. The Samsungs can choose between dynamic, standard, movie, and custom picture modes.



There are many ways it can improve. They can better tweak all the settings during the encoding process, or improve on the encoding process as a whole. They can start using 50gb more wisely and effectively. Maybe they'll even find a good balance to reduce grain and keep the clarity. Or improve on the process of transferring film to a digital form. Take your pick on what could be improved upon in the coming years.

As for grain & director's intentions, the director intended us to see the movie on the big theatrical screen. Well I'm not, I'm watching it on a much smaller dlp set, and lots of grain looks really, really bad.

They can better tweak all the setting during encoding how? What particular settings are you talking about and for what specific desired effect? To eliminate grain is to pretty much eliminate clarity. (To be continued)

[Ascended_Saiyan]

(continued)
How can you improve on something that is TRANSPARENT to the master film?

The director intended us to watch it on a screen (the size of it is not of great importance). These encodes allows this effect to be ACCURATELY reproduced for the consumer. IMO, it comes down to whether a person is ready for HD transfers of film or not. I think that those that complain about the transfer (and not about how the movie was shot) when it looks like the master film, is not ready for HD transfers of film. The best way to avoid being upset about grain is to be aware of what movies are shot with HD cameras and which ones are shot on film. Avoid titles shot on film and you should not have this issue again with transfers.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by lsalas76

help

First, this reminds me of what happened when Laserdiscs went popular in the VHS era: people found them noisy as hell and then newer Laserdisc players came witth a button that "fixed" the problem: a "softness" button.
An anti-sharpness button.

Remember if your TV is set-up/designed to make a low resolution 480i picture look sharp, it's probably gonna overpump the high frequencies of higher resolution signals. 1080p has 8x 480i. Imagine adjusting a high end 30kHz tweeter to sound crisp and sharp with a muffled Dolby mistracking portable cassete recording. Then putting a electronica SA-CD or DVD-Audio with sinths and horns blasting w/o adjusting the treble.

If this is the case,

Originally Posted by Jaren613

I do know for a fact (owning that exact same TV) that Samsung's line of DLPs have a naturally higher thatn normal setting for sharpness. This isn't really grain, but it can give the appearance of grain when viewing 1080p quality movies.

Originally Posted by Filterlab

A good start is to reduce the sharpness control on your TV and BD player.

It's a fine balance between clarity and grain, but with a little tweaking it could help.

Yup. Start with all auto gizmos off and reduce the sharpness setting to a minimum. Then get a good BD and turn the sharpness all the way down from your sitting position and slowly bring it up till the image looks in focus. And not keep making it sharper than sharp. (NOT hyper sharpie with hair strands looking like glass shards you know!)

Originally Posted by dakota81

Movie mode is different from film mode. The Samsungs can choose between dynamic, standard, movie, and custom picture modes.

As I said turn the autogizmos off and go from there, and that incudes selecting the standard, (or custom picture mode?) setting that gives you a FLAT setting, not enhanced. (It can have different names so try to find out which one is it)

Originally Posted by POOPonYOU

I think you should be sitting 1 1/2 x # of inches of your screen. So your tv is 61 inches which means you should be sitting about 7 1/2 feet from your screen. But I may be wrong.

Well I watch movies at about 2PH which is aproximately 1x # of diagonal TV inches for 16:9 images and 3/4 x # for 2.39 movies (For our friend here that would be like sitting at 5 feet for The Wild and 4 feet for Casino Royale) so I should have twice the grain problem and I don't. I have all sharpness enhancements and boostings off, just giving me the pixels 1:1 straight/flat.

[blindedcoon]

I also have a sammy tv dlp(5087w) 50` and when set to "movie mode, this tv kicks major a$$! Iv`e only noticed grain on a few movies, but like i said, in movie mode there is none that iv`e seen. also i too looked for tv`s for 2 months, and every time i came back to dlp`s! lcd`s too pricey, same pic quality, plasma still has the "old grid" inside tv just like crt! and they also "burn in"(they say that has been remedied, but for the money, i`d rather not chance it) also i had my tv calibrated and it made a difference. hope this helps

[Lsalas76]

thanks for all your help everyone. I've tried most if not all your suggestions but my blu-ray movies still look horrible almost dvd like. Sometimes parts of movies can look good and then seconds later they get very "blurry". I just rented Crank and was not impressed with the PQ on that either and supposedly is has one of the best PQ out there.

Also, my brother let me use the HD-drive for the xbox and I put in Superman Returns and also Batman Begins and compared them to their dvd counter parts and seriously couldn't tell much of a difference between them either.

For the most part my HD channels look good but sometimes the channels get very blurry too. It seems that Planet Earth might even look better on HD Discovery than on my Blu-ray discs. Also I must say that when I'm watching the NBA on TNT HD, it looks absolutely horrible.

I don't know maybe I'm just a noob, or crazy or something. I haven't compared much standard dvds to their HD or blu-ray counterparts only the two mentioned above. What are some of the major differences someone is supposed to notice when comparing standard dvds to HD and Blu-rays?

thanks for helping this noob out again

[Ascended_Saiyan]

In this case, you are not dealing with grain. I think you are dealing with a HDTV issue (maybe a focus uniformity issue mixed with something else). Crank was shot with HD cameras (not film...no grain). It is very sharp...not blurry.

I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ but if your HDTV turns out not to be the problem...it might be your vision that's off. You have already eliminated the player by trying Blu-ray, HD DVD and HD programming. You have eliminated the cables because the Xbox 360 uses component and you probably used HDMI for the PS3. Nothing is really left but your TV or your eye sight.

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by lsalas76

I just rented Crank and was not impressed with the PQ on that either and supposedly is has one of the best PQ out there.

I've not watched Crank all the way through but I've watched a few scenes on a Sony Pearl at 100" and it looks amazing. So if you can't see that it is sharp and full of detail, well...

Do this. Rent Crank on DVD and BD. Play the DVD on your DVD player and the BD on your BD player. Try to sync it. Then switch between the two.


fuad

[Lsalas76]

Well although I do have bad eye sight I'm pretty sure its not my vision. My brother has a 61" samsung TV thats 1080i(mine is 1080p) and his hd channels look good and the hd movies look really good.

[Knight-Errant]

I do see lots of natural grain on my film discs, but none on HD footage.

[(((LEWIS)))]

Originally Posted by lsalas76

Well although I do have bad eye sight I'm pretty sure its not my vision. My brother has a 61" samsung TV thats 1080i(mine is 1080p) and his hd channels look good and the hd movies look really good.

how old is your TV? most TVs need at least 100+ hours watching time before the image starts looking its best... if you've had it months and can tell a clear difference when watching Blu-rays on someone elses set-up then i would say your TV is duff, it might just be a one off if others have the same and say the picture is awesome so try and get a replacement

[GoombaJebboMT]

Originally Posted by POOPonYOU

I have the same problem as you do. The PQ on most of the movies I watch is very grainy. Hopefully there is someone on these forums who can tell us how to fine tune our DLPs.

I am having the same issue, but I don't think it is just DLP's. I have a 62" JVC HD-ILA, and it is an LCoS. Overall, I love the TV it has given me no issues whatsoever. The worst movie if any I have ever watched on mine through my PS3, and on Blu-Ray was 300. Now I know you have to take into account there is a resident graininess throughout the movie for cinematic purposes, but with the movie 300 it was REALLY noticeable. Yesterday, I was watching Body of Lies, and during the desert scenes it was noticeable. Am I just being too anal or is this an issue that can be fixed by some setting I have neglected to do?

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Start with all auto gizmos off and reduce the sharpness setting to a minimum. Then get a good BD and turn the sharpness all the way down from your sitting position and slowly bring it up till the image looks in focus. And not keep making it sharper than sharp. (NOT hyper sharpie with hair strands looking like glass shards you know!)

+1 The best advice in this thread so far on how to properly set the sharpness level. Too much sharpness equates to too much edge enhancement which will accentuate the inherent grain in the film. It won't make it look grainer or add grain of course but the grain that is there will look unnatural. In general, making the picture look sharper than sharp is like beating a dead horse. It doesn't do any good.

[rkolinski]

Even though I have a 60" Sony KDS-60A3000, I did find these recommendations for your Samsumg @ the AVS Forum. Hope these help!!

Digital NR - OFF
DNIe - Off
Mode - Movie
Contrast - 40
Brightness - 42
Sharpness - 0
Color - 45
Tint - G50/R50
Color Tone - Warm2

[fdm]

Agree with the sharpness setting. Get/borrow one of those adjustment DVDs or Blu-Rays (aka Digitial Video Essentials). Also your contrast (or is it brightness) may need some fine tuning, and this type of disk will get you way closer to the ballpark.

(Edit: previous post is probably a good place to start )

[rkolinski]

Originally Posted by fdm

Agree with the sharpness setting. Get/borrow one of those adjustment DVDs or Blu-Rays (aka Digitial Video Essentials). Also your contrast (or is it brightness) may need some fine tuning, and this type of disk will get you way closer to the ballpark.

(Edit: previous post is probably a good place to start )

Thanks for supporting my previous post but I just noticed that I should have quoted everything so he would know that these recommendations are just a start:

"Hello all,

Here are my new recommended starter settings for Samsung HL-S displays (lamp or LED based). Don't forget that these are starting points from which to perform a more in-depth and accurate DVE user-menu calibration.

Digital NR - OFF
DNIe - Off
Mode - Movie
Contrast - 40
Brightness - 42
Sharpness - 0
Color - 45
Tint - G50/R50
Color Tone - Warm2

Eliab"

And in case your wondering, Eliab is an Avical Calibrator located in New Jersey who happens to belong to the AVS Forum. Also, DVE stands for Digital Video Essentials and it is available in blu-ray format!

Rich