X-Files (series) coming to Blu in ... I want to believe

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

Really? I can't imagine you saying that over a different project that had something you didn't like about it. What if the creative team wanted to DNR everything?

What creative team would ever do that? That makes no sense, at all.

[Sansui01]

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

Grabbed a couple of screens from Season 7 and 9 respectively:



In the first, the boom operator literally follows Mulder and Scully for a good couple of seconds as they walk forward. In the second, some stage hand is taking a dump behind the trash bin. Seriously, standards were f***ing lax (pun intended) on this show. Widescreen my arse (again, pun totally intended).

Crew members or equipment being visible is a non-issue. It is something they should be able to fix with all the resources and technology they have. Even with my limited resources (5 years old software, 5 year old PC, low quality youtube clip and little attention to detail) i was able to fix it in about 5 minutes. They should be able to do much more...

Original, unaltered widescreen:

Original version

My fix:
Fixed version

Alternate link:
Fixed version

[EddieLarkin]

The same creative teams who have done it countless times?

I for one feel opening up a composed for 4:3 show to 16:9 makes no sense at all.

[lcohaila]

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

The same creative teams who have done it countless times?

I for one feel opening up a composed for 4:3 show to 16:9 makes no sense at all.

You keep saying this. Give examples.
What Director or DP, knowingly applied DNR to gain the original theatrical look...as you claim?

[EddieLarkin]

You'll have to remind me when it was I said a director or DP ever applied DNR to gain a theatrical look. What are you talking about?

[EddieLarkin]

After comparing the new caps to the DVD, I'll concede for the most part they look absolutely fine. The gains on the left and right are surprisingly minimal (nothing like Buffy) due to the cropping, so goofs shouldn't be a problem, nor should issues of excessive dead space.

The cropping is unfortunate, especially on the bottom which is heavier than it is on the top (in fact, I'd say we're actually losing more picture in total rather than gaining compared to the DVDs, contrary to what many people have claimed), but opening them out a bit is obviously preferable to a straight crop of the 4x3 TV area. I can live with this if they can successfully frame out any serious goofs (which should be simple enough).

The first few episodes that were standard 35mm instead of Super35 though should definitely be presented 4:3 on the Blu-rays. They look awful in 16:9 (and the Pilot is probably my favourite episode of Season 1!). I don't think there's any excuse for it when the DP has said that they did not switch to accommodate widescreen until a few episodes in.

Surely the 16:9 fanatics can live with 3 or 4 episodes in 4:3?!

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by rickah88

I'm all for what the creative team decides to do. It's their project, not mine.

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

Really? I can't imagine you saying that over a different project that had something you didn't like about it. What if the creative team wanted to DNR everything?

Originally Posted by rickah88

What creative team would ever do that? That makes no sense, at all.

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

The same creative teams who have done it countless times?

I for one feel opening up a composed for 4:3 show to 16:9 makes no sense at all.

Originally Posted by rickah88

You keep saying this. Give examples.
What Director or DP, knowingly applied DNR to gain the original theatrical look...as you claim?

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

You'll have to remind me when it was I said a director or DP ever applied DNR to gain a theatrical look. What are you talking about?

Are you caught up yet?
When I say creative team, what do you think I mean the janitor that cleans up the tech room? Of course I mean the Director/DP. What do you mean?
Now again, what Director/DP(aka: Creative Team), applied DNR "countless times" as you said?

[Cap.T]

Originally Posted by primus_slo

The picture quality of The X-Files series on ProSieben MAXX HD is super. The sound is also in original English 5.1. I just watch first 5 parts (pilot+1-4).

The ProSieben MAXX HD airings are being talked about in this Thread. Including OAR discussions of course.

[Oscar Rothman]

Mods can you merge these two threads?

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=208637

[Sansui01]

I posted before but since i didn't have 10 posts, it didn't show up.. (Or rather showed up for a while, but disappeared again when i tried to edit it)

Saying a show shouldn't be released as widescreen just because crew or equipment is visible every once in a while is just wrong. With all the technology and resources they have, it should be relatively easy for them to fix it. Here, i did this in less then 5 minutes, with my 4 year old computer, using a really outdated software, on a really bad quality clip from youtube, without paying attention to any detail at all.. If i was able to do it, they should be able to do much better. (with all the motion tracking technology, plus cgi and other stuff)

Original, unedited clip:

Original, unedited clip

2 minutes fix: (sorry for the low quality, i didn't have much to work with)
Fixed version

alternate link:
Fixed version

Mistakes doesn't appear that often anyways. Every now and then just for a few frames.. Relatively easy to fix.
Same goes for Buffy as well. They should release it widescreen from season 2 and onwards. (Season 2 was widescreen, as it was proven on "previously" section on later seasons)

[EddieLarkin]

Originally Posted by rickah88

What do you mean?

Er, not the Director/DP (what all of them? Season 1 had 14 different directors alone!)? I very much doubt they're involved in this project. Aren't HTV handling it?

Originally Posted by Sansui01

Saying a show shouldn't be released as widescreen just because crew or equipment is visible every once in a while is just wrong. With all the technology and resources they have, it should be relatively easy for them to fix it. Here, i did this in less then 5 minutes, with my 4 year old computer, using a really outdated software, on a really bad quality clip from youtube, without paying attention to any detail at all.. If i was able to do it, they should be able to do much better. (with all the motion tracking technology, plus cgi and other stuff)

Mistakes doesn't appear that often anyways. Every now and then just for a few frames.. Relatively easy to fix.
Same goes for Buffy as well. They should release it widescreen from season 2 and onwards. (Season 2 was widescreen, as it was proven on "previously" section on later seasons)

I will not entertain the idea that Buffy can work in widescreen. I have seen all of the episodes first hand, very recently. The side information on the UK DVDs is far in excess of what we're getting with The X-Files. The framing is ridiculous and the goofs are not "every now and then" but are a constant scourge. Luckily in this case, Whedon will almost certainly not let it happen.

Also, your "fix" is nothing of the sort; replacing the crew member with a digital smear solves nothing. These goofs should be fixed by reframing for the few moments required.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

Er, not the Director/DP (what all of them? Season 1 had 14 different directors alone!)? I very much doubt they're involved in this project. Aren't HTV handling it?

Please list all the Director/DP's that knowingly added DNR to "countless releases", as you said.

[EddieLarkin]

Again I didn't say that, as I clarify in the very post you quote. When you said "creative team" I didn't think for a second you meant Director/DP's since they're not the ones handling this project. Hence, I wasn't referring to them either. Can't you read?

[Sansui01]

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

Er, not the Director/DP (what all of them? Season 1 had 14 different directors alone!)? I very much doubt they're involved in this project. Aren't HTV handling it?



I will not entertain the idea that Buffy can work in widescreen. I have seen all of the episodes first hand, very recently. The side information on the UK DVDs is far in excess of what we're getting with The X-Files. The framing is ridiculous and the goofs are not "every now and then" but are a constant scourge. Luckily in this case, Whedon will almost certainly not let it happen.

Also, your "fix" is nothing of the sort; replacing the crew member with a digital smear solves nothing. These goofs should be fixed by reframing for the few moments required.

First, I'm not the most qualified for this kind of editing, it was meant as a demonstration/example, it is not a digital smear, quality was already terrible and i didn't bother to make it look good anyway. Also, you do know that they can do much better than that, with a professional job they could make the car disappear and you wouldn't know it. (OK, thats not a great example but yeah..)

Also, thats NOT a fact, it is just your opinion... I watched both versions of Buffy and i prefer widescreen version...

[EddieLarkin]

What is it with you people reading things in my posts that are not there? I didn't use the word fact, I specifically said "I will not entertain the idea", hence, the following is my opinion.

[Sansui01]

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

What is it with you people reading things in my posts that are not there? I didn't use the word fact, I specifically said "I will not entertain the idea", hence, the following is my opinion.

Yes, but then you said this:

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

The side information on the UK DVDs is far in excess of what we're getting with The X-Files. The framing is ridiculous and the goofs are not "every now and then" but are a constant scourge.
Also, your "fix" is nothing of the sort; replacing the crew member with a digital smear solves nothing. These goofs should be fixed by reframing for the few moments required.

Can you read i wonder? Because "i will not entertain the idea" doesn't mean/translate as "in my opinion", even if you meant as such.

[EddieLarkin]

It also doesn't mean that I consider my description of why Buffy looks terrible in widescreen a "fact", even if you think I did.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

Again I didn't say that, as I clarify in the very post you quote. When you said "creative team" I didn't think for a second you meant Director/DP's since they're not the ones handling this project. Hence, I wasn't referring to them either. Can't you read?

How do you know they aren't handling this project? Has that been reported?

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Cap.T

Check out the X-Files Thread in the "Wist List"-Forum here. The first season of the remastered show is already airing in Germany in HD and 16:9. Many, many screenshots (along with the usual 16:9 vs. 4:3 wars) have been posted there over the last two weeks.
The screenshots start on this page.

Originally Posted by Oscar Rothman

Mods can you merge these two threads?

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=208637

You guys realize that this Thread started in 2007, right?
Also it's more of a PS3 question than an X-Files one...