720p > 1080p - Blu-ray Forum

Aaron · 05-15-2008, 02:34 AM

I see people complaining on here all the time about games not being 1080p. Why is it not understood that most 1080p games don't look good? I'm pretty sure Uncharted has the best graphics of any console game out so far, and it's only 720p. I'd rather see wicked lighting effects, environments, better physics, etc than 1080p. All of the 1080p PSN games look great, but they're also much less complex than an actual game, so they can devote more processing power to graphics.

JonD7 · 05-15-2008, 02:45 AM

I always thought Lair was upscaled to 1080p???

Uncharted IS a beautiful game, I can't believe it's only 24GB, I bet Uncharted 2 is going to be soiling yourself awesome, I personally don't care if it's 720p although 1080p would look a bit better if pulled off correctly, as long as I don't get another game like GTA 4 as in 640p with alot of jaggies i'm good.

ThePhantomOak · 05-15-2008, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JonD7

I always thought Lair was upscaled to 1080p???

Uncharted IS a beautiful game, I can't believe it's only 24GB, I bet Uncharted 2 is going to be soiling yourself awesome, I personally don't care if it's 720p although 1080p would look a bit better if pulled off correctly, as long as I don't get another game like GTA 4 as in 640p with alot of jaggies i'm good.

GTA IV, like every GTA game, looks like garbage next to other big name games. For a GTA game it is great looking though. Of course, no one buys GTA for graphics and frame rate... (Maybe that should be a hint to game developers; Story/Game>HD&FR). Oh, and thats not to say that Liberty City is not impressive.

mewantyblu · 05-15-2008, 03:05 AM

Ya I was definatly under impressed with GTA 4's graphics, but at least its entertaining. I'll just bide my time until MGS4 Killzone 2 and Gears 2 comes out then I'll get my graphic ***** fix. Also I think I remember looking at the back of my Lair box and seeing it only had 720p output. As for 1080p I can't really comment as my Panny only outputs 720p and have never really got to do a good comparison between the 2. However my next planned TV buy will be a 42 1080p plasma from Panasonic, looking very forward to that

Aaron · 05-15-2008, 03:09 AM

I'm like 99% sure that Lair is 1080p.

ryoohki · 05-15-2008, 03:10 AM

Most 1080p aren't 1080p unless it's HL2... Gt5 is 1440x1080 i think.. some aren't 720p like GTA on PS3...

Entertainment72 · 05-15-2008, 03:14 AM

GT5 is 1080p and the graphics are amazing.. common sense is 1080p > 720p. You cannot compare Lair and Uncharted, is the developer the same.. if not.. apples to oranges..

Kuraudo · 05-15-2008, 03:18 AM

Dude, bad comparison.
I have COD4 and gears of war on PC running 1920x1200 and it looks much sharper than all of those. The LAIR looks worse because it was not done well with lower res textures and upscaling.

Can't compare bad work, its apples to oranges..

Aaron · 05-15-2008, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Entertainment72

GT5 is 1080p and the graphics are amazing.. common sense is 1080p > 720p. You cannot compare Lair and Uncharted, is the developer the same.. if not.. apples to oranges..

GT5P pulled off 1080p damn good, and it's the only game that I think has. And why can't Lair and Uncharted be compared? It was the most recent 1080p PS3 exclusive out at the time Uncharted was released.

Entertainment72 · 05-15-2008, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron

GT5P pulled off 1080p damn good, and it's the only game that I think has. And why can't Lair and Uncharted be compared? It was the most recent 1080p PS3 exclusive out at the time Uncharted was released.

PS3 exclusive ok but were they both created by the same people with the same technology? If not then it is apples to oranges..

Aaron · 05-15-2008, 03:21 AM

Ok, better comparison: Burnout Vs. GT5P. I think Burnout looks much better and it's only 720p.

Call of Duty 4 had great graphics and it wasn't even 720p. The point I'm trying to make is that you don't have to have 1080p to have great graphics.

Entertainment72 · 05-15-2008, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron

Ok, better comparison: Burnout Vs. GT5P. I think Burnout looks much better and it's only 720p.

put the pipe down

bkbluray · 05-15-2008, 03:25 AM

Having played COD4 on both 720p and 1080p TVs, 1080p looked MUCH better and clearer.

Aaron · 05-15-2008, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Entertainment72

put the pipe down

The cars in GT5 looked better, but I think the overall graphics in Burnout were better.

silversnake · 05-15-2008, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron

The cars in GT5 looked better, but I think the overall graphics in Burnout were better.

i've only played the burnout demo but that's a pretty bold statement. Not only are the cars drool worthy but the environments surrounding these beauties is pretty impressive. I"m still shocked everytime i play the race with the mountains. I mean, it's gorgeous

Ascended_Saiyan · 05-15-2008, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron

The cars in GT5 looked better, but I think the overall graphics in Burnout were better.

Burnout Paradise Screenshot (Gamespot)

GT5P Screenshot (Gamespot)

I just can't see it.

Also, Lair was 800x1080 (2xAA) two AA buffers merged to be 1600x1080. Then, it was scaled to 1920x1080.

Havok83 · 05-15-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bkbluray

Having played COD4 on both 720p and 1080p TVs, 1080p looked MUCH better and clearer.

I think COD4 looks alot better in 720

Icemage · 05-15-2008, 10:34 AM

The only game I've seen so far that looks miles and away better at 1080p visually is Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (and even here you take a major hit in framerate when you run at 1080p versus 720p).

Lair looks pretty good at 1080, but not so much better than a 720p game that you'd care, due to the art style being, quite frankly, disappointing.

GT5P looks pretty sweet at 1080p, though.

Terjyn · 05-15-2008, 11:05 AM

Why don't you put the full statement in the title? 720p done right > 1080p done wrong.

I doubt you'd get much disagreement with that.

Instead you posted a complete absurdity as a title. It's no wonder people disagree with you.

Aaron · 05-15-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Terjyn

Why don't you put the full statement in the title? 720p done right > 1080p done wrong.

I doubt you'd get much disagreement with that.

Instead you posted a complete absurdity as a title. It's no wonder people disagree with you.

I don't think it's as absurd as you think it is; but that would have been a better title.

05-15-2008, 02:34 AM	#1
Aaron Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Oklahoma City Home Theater Gallery:3 Blu-ray collection:33 Blu-ray reviews: 2 Trading Score:4	720p > 1080p I see people complaining on here all the time about games not being 1080p. Why is it not understood that most 1080p games don't look good? I'm pretty sure Uncharted has the best graphics of any console game out so far, and it's only 720p. I'd rather see wicked lighting effects, environments, better physics, etc than 1080p. All of the 1080p PSN games look great, but they're also much less complex than an actual game, so they can devote more processing power to graphics. Last edited by Aaron; 08-22-2008 at 06:06 PM.

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05-15-2008, 02:45 AM	#2
JonD7 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Cali 4K collection:86 Blu-ray collection:251	I always thought Lair was upscaled to 1080p??? Uncharted IS a beautiful game, I can't believe it's only 24GB, I bet Uncharted 2 is going to be soiling yourself awesome, I personally don't care if it's 720p although 1080p would look a bit better if pulled off correctly, as long as I don't get another game like GTA 4 as in 640p with alot of jaggies i'm good.

05-15-2008, 03:05 AM	#4
mewantyblu Senior Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:ME	Ya I was definatly under impressed with GTA 4's graphics, but at least its entertaining. I'll just bide my time until MGS4 Killzone 2 and Gears 2 comes out then I'll get my graphic ***** fix. Also I think I remember looking at the back of my Lair box and seeing it only had 720p output. As for 1080p I can't really comment as my Panny only outputs 720p and have never really got to do a good comparison between the 2. However my next planned TV buy will be a 42 1080p plasma from Panasonic, looking very forward to that

05-15-2008, 03:09 AM	#5
Aaron Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Oklahoma City Home Theater Gallery:3 Blu-ray collection:33 Blu-ray reviews: 2 Trading Score:4	I'm like 99% sure that Lair is 1080p.

05-15-2008, 03:10 AM	#6
ryoohki Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2007 Home Theater Gallery:6 Blu-ray collection:6 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:5	Most 1080p aren't 1080p unless it's HL2... Gt5 is 1440x1080 i think.. some aren't 720p like GTA on PS3...

05-15-2008, 03:14 AM	#7
Entertainment72 Special Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Fort Myers, FL Blu-ray collection:44 Blu-ray reviews:1	GT5 is 1080p and the graphics are amazing.. common sense is 1080p > 720p. You cannot compare Lair and Uncharted, is the developer the same.. if not.. apples to oranges..

05-15-2008, 03:18 AM	#8
Kuraudo Active Member Member since:Feb 2008	Dude, bad comparison. I have COD4 and gears of war on PC running 1920x1200 and it looks much sharper than all of those. The LAIR looks worse because it was not done well with lower res textures and upscaling. Can't compare bad work, its apples to oranges..

05-15-2008, 03:21 AM	#11
Aaron Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Oklahoma City Home Theater Gallery:3 Blu-ray collection:33 Blu-ray reviews: 2 Trading Score:4	Ok, better comparison: Burnout Vs. GT5P. I think Burnout looks much better and it's only 720p. Call of Duty 4 had great graphics and it wasn't even 720p. The point I'm trying to make is that you don't have to have 1080p to have great graphics.

05-15-2008, 03:25 AM	#13
bkbluray Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jun 2007 Location:MN Home Theater Gallery:57 Blu-ray collection:185 Blu-ray reviews:25	Having played COD4 on both 720p and 1080p TVs, 1080p looked MUCH better and clearer.

05-15-2008, 10:34 AM	#18
Icemage Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007	The only game I've seen so far that looks miles and away better at 1080p visually is Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (and even here you take a major hit in framerate when you run at 1080p versus 720p). Lair looks pretty good at 1080, but not so much better than a 720p game that you'd care, due to the art style being, quite frankly, disappointing. GT5P looks pretty sweet at 1080p, though.

05-15-2008, 11:05 AM	#19
Terjyn Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:122	Why don't you put the full statement in the title? 720p done right > 1080p done wrong. I doubt you'd get much disagreement with that. Instead you posted a complete absurdity as a title. It's no wonder people disagree with you.

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