4K Movies Releases

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Apple and 4K…. http://9to5mac.com/2014/03/06/apple-...-macbook-pros/

Nice. You know what baffles me bro about 4K? We are now seeing 5" smartphone panels with 4K and give it another 12-18 months and it will be the norm for mid to high end electronics and consumers eat it up and reviews are stellar. Anyone with a decent media PC will be running at least QHD now and in 1 year full 4K. And yet again tech oriented people (read geeks/nerds) can't get enough. What is it that makes the transition to 4K on our largest panels such a stink IYO?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

Nice. You know what baffles me bro about 4K? We are now seeing 5" smartphone panels with 4K and give it another 12-18 months and it will be the norm for mid to high end electronics and consumers eat it up and reviews are stellar. Anyone with a decent media PC will be running at least QHD now and in 1 year full 4K. And yet again tech oriented people (read geeks/nerds) can't get enough. What is it that makes the transition to 4K on our largest panels such a stink IYO?

different markets.

People are used to getting a new phone every time the lease expires or the phone brakes ( I doubt many keep a phone for more than 3 years), so they don't see it as a big deal to upgrade and since it is a status symbol as well they want to be able to brag why their new phone is better (even if they have no idea what they are talking about). On the flip side people see TVs as a longer term investment and so every time it makes a leap (1080p, ATSC, 3D, 4k) people get annoyed because they see it as forcing an upgrade (i.e. jealousy with keeping up with the Joneses) on something they would rather be happier for a longer time.

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

different markets.

People are used to getting a new phone every time the lease expires or the phone brakes ( I doubt many keep a phone for more than 3 years), so they don't see it as a big deal to upgrade and since it is a status symbol as well they want to be able to brag why their new phone is better (even if they have no idea what they are talking about). On the flip side people see TVs as a longer term investment and so every time it makes a leap (1080p, ATSC, 3D, 4k) people get annoyed because they see it as forcing an upgrade (i.e. jealousy with keeping up with the Joneses) on something they would rather be happier for a longer time.

Yep, I agree. And in the end, they also go for what is available, and the infrastructure to support those high resolution, well is not an issue.

But my thought was not one of merit as much as how the same concept applied to different applications is received in a totally different light and many who do own UHD gadgets don't own it for that alone, so I know it's apples to oranges.

But still, with all that said, it still baffles me Anthony, the level of understanding and excitement. I, for one, was very happy to see 4K monitors show up at CES with 27-30" models promising a very decent price of admission. Right now I have a QHD monitor and just love it but even at those small sizes a full 4K panel is def something I want and I'm pretty sure anyone into PCs for media/gaming will also want.

That excitement doesn't yet touch the HT industry and I find it odd is all, even with the great points you brought up Anthony.

[123kid]

Does anyone want to sell me the slipcovers only for these 8 titles please?

Ghostbusters
Glory
Taxi Driver
Total Recall
Spider-Man
Angels & Demons
Battle: Los Angeles
The Amazing Spider-Man

[keb33509]

Wrong thread.

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Adam’s reporting should keep readers busy….and Leon didn’t even pay tribute to the annual softball skirmishes at past retreats.

As someone who is most interested in the Rec. 2020 color space I found the articles on day 3 and day 4 of the HPA retreat to be very informative.

I also found the article on day 5 to be surprising since a huge problem is caused by the decision to not use the D65 white point for the consumer XYZ color space. It looks like the major studios are trying to make the conversion from movies to consumer video as cheap as possible by moving the conversion cost to consumer equipment. I found a thread on the XYZ color space with comments from several engineers, including the engineer who directed the ITU working group that developed UHDTV, and there is concern about the computational cost of the XYZ color space.

Originally Posted by pentatonic

That excitement doesn't yet touch the HT industry and I find it odd is all, even with the great points you brought up Anthony.

I think the problem is that most of the people who read up on UHDTV aren't excited by what the CE companies have released. While not everyone will want every feature listed in the UHDTV standard I think most people are hoping for more than higher resolution HDTV.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

As someone who is most interested in the Rec. 2020 color space I found the articles on day 3 and day 4 of the HPA retreat to be very informative.

You kept an eye out as I directed….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ye#post8802343

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

I also found....with comments from several engineers,

You’d do well at an Easter egg hunt.

Yeah, I’m aware of the discussion, and for that matter, not just your typical ‘run-of-the-mill’ engineers e.g. http://www.chirpe.com/EventSpeakerDe...2&EventID=1289

Amazing how many entries in that thread are by former Sony employees. For folks that find it difficult to wade through all the technicalities of what Richard and I have been colorfully discussing on-and-off for the past several weeks, what the colorimetry situation boils down to in a nutshell is that the EBU is pro B.T. 2020, the Hollywood Studios are more desirable of the XYZ primaries and the consumer electronics companies (in general) like the status quo (B.T. 790 errr 709) or would probably even prefer xvYCC signal over the other two. Add in the need (or lack thereof) for native 10-bit panels and HDR for truly next-gen video….and everything gets even further complicated. In fact, there just was a recent SMPTE wide color gamut/HDR standards meeting (after HPA).

Busy time for me right now with the federal tax deadline fast approaching (I don’t like filing tax extensions) as I’m in the midst of collecting a lot of paperwork (tax exchange, deductions, etc.) for my accountant.

Carry on. Excuse my absence at least for a little while.

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

I think the problem is that most of the people who read up on UHDTV aren't excited by what the CE companies have released. While not everyone will want every feature listed in the UHDTV standard I think most people are hoping for more than higher resolution HDTV.

While I totally share your views and am hoping that the industry while use this jump to stop tweaking a 70 year old standard and innovate. But most of what I read never even touches that, I'm not so sure many even know about that, I feel it's more of an "enough-is-enough' reaction. But the whole industry if flying and I for one don't want to stop that if even better things come out of it. At the base all we all want is top tier all along the chain and that means fast change IMO. If I had it my way I would love a scalable adaptive standard. Adaptive in the sens of being able to add to it without any problem with backward compatibility as the standard is the same, but like with DTS-HD MA, you may add upon.

As for scalable, I would love a CE panel model similar to digital signage/PC use. There's a standard which you can attain, let's say 100% XYZ/100% HDR. But we also know that such a reference panel, while highly desirable is far from being a necessity, and clearly overpriced in appearance, the same way most won't understand why some will pay $2k for a 27" Planar, if you need to ask, you don't have the need. But, like in mainstream PCs, you could also sell perfectly fine panels that only meet 75% of that standard, you pays for what you wants and you get what you pays for. For me spending $800-900 for a 27" PC monitor is a minimum, most think I'm nuts. I don't even know if the concept of scalability is possible, but is seems it would be a great way of better serving the client.

Ah! Wishful thinking

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

...What is it that makes the transition to 4K on our largest panels such a stink IYO?

Doesn’t matter….resistance is futile.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

...with comments from several engineers, including the engineer who directed the ITU working group that developed UHDTV.

Although not mentioned in that discussion, David is the self-admitted ‘odd one’ of the group (I say that affectionately) and, as a mtb aside, at least one of those engineers is fully capable of riding the loop pictured in the outside link from this past post…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...te#post8898309

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

...I think the problem is that most of the people who read up on UHDTV aren't excited by what the CE companies have released. While not everyone will want every feature listed in the UHDTV standard I think most people are hoping for more than higher resolution HDTV.

From last month, next to the last paragraph - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...re#post8784822

Regarding dem Dolby boys and girls…http://www.filmlight.ltd.uk/news/eve...07_nab2014.php

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

...deductions, etc.) for my accountant.
Carry on. Excuse my absence at least for a little while.

Bummer….I’m told volunteer time used posting on Blu-ray.com doesn’t qualify as a tax deduction. Back to a stack of paperwork. Steed, I’m not even allowed to watch the FA Cup quarterfinal Arsenal match until I’m done trying to save us money…so sayeth my better half.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Bummer….I’m told volunteer time used posting on Blu-ray.com doesn’t qualify as a tax deduction. Back to a stack of paperwork. Steed, I’m not even allowed to watch the FA Cup quarterfinal Arsenal match until I’m done trying to save us money…so sayeth my better half.

Im done with football.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

Nice. You know what baffles me bro about 4K? We are now seeing 5" smartphone panels with 4K and give it another 12-18 months and it will be the norm for mid to high end electronics and consumers eat it up and reviews are stellar. Anyone with a decent media PC will be running at least QHD now and in 1 year full 4K. And yet again tech oriented people (read geeks/nerds) can't get enough. What is it that makes the transition to 4K on our largest panels such a stink IYO?

Phones, tablets, PC monitors are different from HDTV's and HT hardware. People upgrade those all the time (I'll be getting a ipad mini retina display soon. 2K resolution only but you get my point) so it's a normal transition imo. We in the HT world (well some of us) feel 4K is being forced upon us too soon. The differences is not too drastic. We have plenty of reference quality blurays out that make us question why the need for 4K right now. People are still buying, and just buying, current hardware for 1080p. Not only that, but 4K as it is now is just that.....4K, 8 million pixels. All those pixels are being used with the current bluray/HD standard; 8 bit, 4:2:0, rec 709. There's not even 4K standard to speak of. Bluray is not really used to its fullest potential. Some say we would see an improvement just by using better chroma subsampling. But the industry doesn't want that. They want to sell us pixels. As if that's the only thing makes up a picture.

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by saprano

Phones, tablets, PC monitors are different from HDTV's and HT hardware. People upgrade those all the time (I'll be getting a ipad mini retina display soon. 2K resolution only but you get my point) so it's a normal transition imo. We in the HT world (well some of us) feel 4K is being forced upon us too soon. The differences is not too drastic. We have plenty of reference quality blurays out that make us question why the need for 4K right now. People are still buying, and just buying, current hardware for 1080p. Not only that, but 4K as it is now is just that.....4K, 8 million pixels. All those pixels are being used with the current bluray/HD standard; 8 bit, 4:2:0, rec 709. There's not even 4K standard to speak of. Bluray is not really used to its fullest potential. Some say we would see an improvement just by using better chroma subsampling. But the industry doesn't want that. They want to sell us pixels. As if that's the only thing makes up a picture.

Again, agreed. And until they offer more than higher spatial resolution, you are right it's only a number. My only point is one of surprise since we'll have apparently 4K on most other devices soon enough and while HT and PCs are different I see them becoming more and more a combination. And let's face it, it's more than just bragging rights to own such displays for some (Apple Retina and the likes) as for me anyways, the upgrade is not only nice but getting to be a want.

But when it comes down to HT, I agree, it has to be more than just a higher number but it seems highly probable that it will be.

Now would I go out and purchase a UHD set, now, nope, no way, unless I were filthy rich (and that would be a 4K pj). But I'm still excited by the prospect of better as it will have to soon be our choice if we want the better panels out there

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Im done with football.

Well, I take that to mean, one way or another, your Black Cats lost . I try to always look forward to the future…even the far future, for example, I hope, if not for this year’s World Cup, at least for 2018, we (the U.S.) get Gedion….http://extramustard.si.com/2014/02/2.../?xid=ob_blogs

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

They want to sell us pixels. As if that's the only thing makes up a picture.

Damn pixels and bureaucrats….http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...-world-3204389
*sucks*

I say let’s go back to the olden days with kits and tech –
http://journal.smpte.org/content/75/...dvertising.pdf

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

...As if that's the only thing makes up a picture.

Seriously,
For an example of just one time-consuming technical hurdle, which involves both codec development and display devices, has been the complex situation of how to deal with the presentation of content mastered in a wide color gamut and then expected to be displayed on legacy TVs that only support Rec.709.

Easiest and quickest solution would be simply to clip the RGB values to the allowed Rec. 709 range and have legacy viewers deal with any resultant color distortions but, that is not the best solution.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

...But I'm still excited by the prospect of better as it will have to soon be our choice if we want the better panels out there

Survey says...
”28 per cent of those who have seen a 4K Ultra HDTV are very interested in getting it” - http://advanced-television.com/2014/...7-of-us-homes/