European player sales till March

[Deciazulado]

http://www.cinemotion.biz/informacion.php?iinfo=148

             Blu-ray HD DVD 

France        671 1473
Germany       538 2897
Italy         354  193
Spain         184  133
Switzerland   141  523
UK            777 2213
Total        2665 7432

Until March. so no PS3 BD launch sales numbers. but of course

Btw how much are those now? 200k? in the UK? 1m in Europe?

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Those numbers, with PS3 sales added, are soooo sad for HD DVD.

[WriteSimply]

Well according to the HD-DVD code, the PS3 is not a BD player. So that means the attach rate for BD is through the roof!

Great news for HD-DVD! It's UCS for them!


fuad

[Helicon]

The numbers are small, but HD-DVD player sales are still 179% higher then Blu-ray. I hope that changes, eventhough we have the PS3.

Not saying that, PS3 does not help movie sales!! But I don't think PS3 owners buy alot of movies, with approx 200.000 PS3 sold in the UK, the movie sales ratio should be something like 98-2 in favor of blu-ray, if they bougth as many movies, as HD-DVD owners.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by Helicon

The numbers are small, but HD-DVD player sales are still 179% higher then Blu-ray. I hope that changes, eventhough we have the PS3.

Not saying that, PS3 does not help movie sales!! But I don't think PS3 owners buy alot of movies, with approx 200.000 PS3 sold in the UK, the movie sales ratio should be something like 98-2 in favor of blu-ray, if they bougth as many movies, as HD-DVD owners.

You don't think PS3 owners buy a lot of movies? I am a PS3 owner. Look at my sig line. I think I buy a decent amount of movies. I think you will find that PS3 owners buying movies is quite common.

[Stundra]

Maybe one reason for the disastrous BD-player sales figures is that there is still no player available which supports all BD-features (BD-J, Internetaccess, PIP, HDMI 1.3a) and people are reluctant. It is very strange that although movie sales figures show an increasing overweight of BD, in some countries HD DVD-Player sales still go up..

[HDJK]

With all the FUD against Blu-ray in German press it is not that surprising that Switzerland and Germany are in the lead when it comes to HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray player ratio. I hope that will change soon.

[Helicon]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

Blu-ray Collection: 167 titles; I think I buy a decent amount of movies.

let's just call it a decent amount I own 11

This goes for UK: What I meant was, that if there are 200.000 potential blu-ray player owners and maybe 4.000 HD-DVD owners, then either are the HD-DVD owners buying alot of movies, or PS3 owners are only buying a small amount or none. If the movie ratio is 70/30.

In US, there has been sold what? 3-4 mio. PS3's, and a total blu-ray movie sale of maybe 1,5 mio. disks. Thats not even close to one movie per PS3 owner. Then think of all the PS3 owners, who's bought 10-20 movies, then its even further away from one movie per PS3 owner. Thats without counting all the stand alone players.

The positive thing is, the big potential customerbase for blu-ray movies.



Besides studying I have a job, at a Hi-Fi chain (scandinaviens largest). Our product manager has told us, that Samsung is not planing on releasing the BD-P1200 in Europe... Anybody knows more about that?

I hope you understand my english

[NutsAboutPS3]

I think the problem standalone players had in the UK is nothing to do with BD-J etc, most people haven't a clue about that sort of thing. The problem is that they were WAY more expensive than HD-DVD players, with no obvious benefit to the consumer for the extra cost. Shelves in shops had similar numbers of Blu-ray and HD-DVD discs, with HD-DVD having the better quality title selection, largely due to Warner releasing far more HD-DVD titles than Blu-ray. The average consumer would just go off what they see, and wouldn't be aware that these Warner titles would all eventually be coming to Blu-ray, or what the split of studio support is.

The situation has changed now, and Blu-ray has the much stronger image in shops, plus today is a very strong release date in the UK, as is next Monday, so the Blu-ray content library will really start to shine. Most people who buy PS3s clearly don't buy them as Blu-ray players as has already been stated, otherwise there would be huge numbers of Blu-ray movies being sold, BUT anyone in the UK who wants to buy a Blu-ray player would be pretty mad to buy anything other than a PS3, so we simply can't obtain a reliable figure for how many devices have been sold to people who intend to use them primarily for playing movies. The only reliable indicator is movie sales figures - eproductwars shows that Blu-ray is clearly winning at amazon.co.uk, it would be interesting to have some overall UK or European movie sales figures.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by Stundra

Maybe one reason for the disastrous

disastrous? How many Region B BDs had been released in Europe in general or in the UK in particular in the months before March 26's PS3 launch?

The ratio then was about 2.5:1 in favor HD DVD. Exactly the same ratio that the US disc sales had before November 17, and then, it flip-flopped shortly after. So lets see salesfigures in Europe in June.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by Helicon

If the movie ratio is 70/30.

On world basis, there has been sold what? 3-4 mio. PS3's, and a total blu-ray movie sale of maybe 1,5 mio. disks.

Where are you getting the 70/30 movie sales for the UK or are you talking about the North American sales ratio?

Plus, I thought the 1.5 million discs sold were North American numbers only. I didn't think the Nielsen Videoscan numbers covered anything other than North American sales. Otherwise, wouldn't they be giving us a breakdown of what country or continent is doing what in terms of sales for these HD formats. That defintely hasn't been happening.

[Coltboy]

I am not very good with stats, so blu-Ray is losing in Europe? and badly it looks like, i wonder whats Europes problem with blu-ray is? guess they don't want quality products. i have seen it on this site many times, release a huge movie title and the war is over.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by Coltboy

I am not very good with stats, so blu-Ray is losing in Europe? and badly it looks like, i wonder whats Europes problem with blu-ray is? guess they don't want quality products. i have seen it on this site many times, release a huge movie title and the war is over.

No. Those numbers were pre-PS3 launch in Europe. Now there are about 1 million Blu-ray players in Europe. I think the release of Casino Royale alone made Blu-ray take the overall disc sales lead in Europe.

[Coltboy]

Thank you for clearing that up

[mainman]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

http://www.cinemotion.biz/informacion.php?iinfo=148

             Blu-ray HD DVD 

France        671 1473
Germany       538 2897
Italy         354  193
Spain         184  133
Switzerland   141  523
UK            777 2213
Total        2665 7432

Until March. so no PS3 BD launch sales numbers. but of course

Btw how much are those now? 200k? in the UK? 1m in Europe?

Translating PS3 sales to BD sales is very difficult.

Because not every PS3 owner has an HDTV. And alot of them dont buy BD's (yet) because they dont have an HDTV.

I know, because, I have a few PS3 owners in my msn, and none have bought a BD yet, because they dont have an HDTV. They all have Casino royale free from Sony (me too ), but I dont think that counts as a BD sale.

But I am sure at least (7432-2665=) 4767 PS3 owners are fanatical BD buyers (probably the UK alone exceeds this number).

[Helicon]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

Where are you getting the 70/30 movie sales for the UK or are you talking about the North American sales ratio? The ratio was just an optimistic example, acually I don't even think the ratio is that good, which makes it even worse. It's hard to find the numbers, but Axelmusic has got the numbers for there UK shop, it's currently 61,2/38,8 in favor of HD-DVD. 2007 sales are 64,9/35,1 in favor of HD-DVD

Plus, I thought the 1.5 million discs sold were North American numbers only... Sorry, I ment US, doesn't change the result though. Please correct my numbers, if they are wrong

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[Stundra]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

disastrous? How many Region B BDs had been released in Europe in general or in the UK in particular in the months before March 26's PS3 launch?

Ok that's right. As I got a Japanese PS3 since November I forgot that there were no official PS3s in Europe till late March :-)

[scott87]

i think the sales are picking up and this is showing, i have noticed an increase in shops most notably being blockbuster where there isnt even a hd-dvd in sight only blu-ray, which i think is quite a good sales gimmick,by looking at it blu-ray has a bigger high street backing, and i saw my first two adverts for blu-ray last night...this will show when the next figures come in

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by Helicon

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan View Post
Where are you getting the 70/30 movie sales for the UK or are you talking about the North American sales ratio? The ratio was just an optimistic example, acually I don't even think the ratio is that good, which makes it even worse. It's hard to find the numbers, but Axelmusic has got the numbers for there UK shop, it's currently 61,2/38,8 in favor of HD-DVD. 2007 sales are 64,9/35,1 in favor of HD-DVD

Plus, I thought the 1.5 million discs sold were North American numbers only... Sorry, I ment US, doesn't change the result though. Please correct my numbers, if they are wrong

I think that does change some things though. That means for the UK there seems to be no way to even guess at how many people with PS3 are buying titles. We don't even know how many disc were sold for any given time period.

[thunderhawk]

In fact, we need movie sales if we want a respresentable figure.