Blu-rays are 8 years old and DVDs still cling to them like a cancerous tumor. Why?

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by AnamorphicWidescreen

No kids myself, though I agree with you 100% on younger folks' attitudes re: films. The times they are a changin', and movies & home video will never be the same. I also know what you mean about newer feature films - though I still think there are lot of great films being made, I don't have as much interest in new films these days as in the past; that being said, I felt Superman: Man of Steel last year was the best Superman film of all time (and this is from someone who grew up with the Chris Reeve movies), & am really looking forward to Dawn of the POTA this Summer - however, films like this are few & far between (for me, at least).

Also following up on your post, IMHO there is no better time to be a movie fan than right now: We have access to literally thousands of old & new movies in an extremely good format (even regular DVD's are better than previous home video formats) & in some not-so-good formats; there is a relatively short wait time between when a film hits the theatre & when it hits home video (it used to be 6 months or longer; now it's 4 months or less); there are online forums like this where we can find out about PQ, availability, and all other aspects of a film before we even see/purchase this.

This is getting a little OT, but this thread has made me nostalgic :

This is a far cry from the time when I grew up (the '80's). We never had cable, so unless I saw a film in the theatre (which was rare, since we only had a small theater with three screens for most of my childhood) I was sometimes relegated to trying to find it on network TV if & when it was ever on; I remember staying up late at night to watch certain films, especially '70's horror flicks (Let's Scare Jessica to Death, etc.). VHS tapes were better than nothing, but a lot of films weren't available in that format or if they were, they were extremely tough to find; and, even then, I thought VHS was terrible - sub-par picture & pan/scan (though better than network TV). Anyone around during that time will also remember the extremely long wait time between when a film hit the theatre & home video; Return of the Jedi (1983) didn't come out on VHS tape until 1986. I also remember the extremely high prices of VHS tapes; a friend who was big into the James Bond films paid around $80 for The Living Daylights when it was released circa '88.

I was definitely a deprived kid growing up

So, by those standards, these days being able to go into a store & buy a Blu film for $10 (or less, in many cases) is amazing...

Originally Posted by Scarface32

Really? All the kids in my kindergarten had cable. (in the 1980s)


And I thought $50 for a VHS tape was expensive...


Sites like Amazon spoiled me. Now if I see a film for more than $15 I think of it as being too expensive.

Yep, my point exactly. The whole business model changed, and the idea of anticipation is no more. You do have good cinema still, but very few will budget a great but low key film. There was a time not that long ago when, as a consumer, I didn't feel used by the movie industry but rewarded by it.

Well, this isn't true anymore. You go to your local Cineplex one week and they are showing 10 different films. Go the next week and there might be 2-3 left, replaced by others to bring in more $$$$$. That business model will obviously trickle down to home entertainment. That is not "caused" by smartphone viewing, it's driven by shareholders who pull all the strings. As far as I know the people in power are NOT 18-25, and they will never listen to the elite if the masses don't care, that the cash cow there.

Also, it really isn't only the kids who use phones and tablets. In my friends and family the users of these devices are usually the parents, not everyone out there can afford to give their kids an iPad. And let's be honest, we, as adults and parents are the ones who have fueled the adoption of smart devices, don't know many 17 and younger who can afford those, so it's always a gift (in a vast majority anyways).

But most of the younger crowd does have a smartphone, so they just use it, as we all do. But if you ask them if they would rather see it in the theaters they will mostly all say "Sure, yes, god, how else". But teens, like it's always been, don't want to fit in the family entertainment time but would rather do their own thing, on their own stuff, I know I did.

But if we look at the music industry as an example, quality went out the door way back with mp3. But now in 2014, vinyl is making a comeback, hi res audio is one the rise, etc.

Kids aren't dumb, actually they are way more aware of things than we ever were at their age, but we, as adults, have sold them ease 1st, the rest later. They took it all in. But in no way can I think they will continuously be more & more asking for bad. We screwed them up with fast and cheap, they bought in and now we have to teach them all over on why quality is important.

In short, if there is blame to give, do aim at the right people, the content providers and the adults that have given them cheap.

[vargo]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The 40 and over crowd will be gone in 30-40 years and that leaves the next next gen watching on portable devices. It is habit to them and they don't seem to have the love for movies that many of us do.

You are at that point in life where you think the younger generation are wrong and your generation was 'the good old days'. It is called being a cranky old man.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by vargo

You are at that point in life where you think the younger generation are wrong and your generation was 'the good old days'. It is called being a cranky old man.

No, it's being called a quality fan. I have always seeked out quality and I'm not that old. I will be an old man in around 30 years!

Cinema should not be treated as a cheap disposable form of media watched on crappy smartphones. I will take that opinion to the grave. It just cheapens the medium and no amount of 'down with the kids' crap is going to convince me otherwise.

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by vargo

It is called being a cranky old man.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

Not really that funny is it? You must be easily pleased.

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

No, it's being called a quality fan. I have always seeked out quality and I'm not that old. I will be an old man in around 30 years!

Cinema should not be treated as a cheap disposable form of media watched on crappy smartphones. I will take that opinion to the grave. It just cheapens the medium and no amount of 'down with the kids' crap is going to convince me otherwise.

One, you lumped everyone under 40 as "the next generation" — I'm 32 and I don't want to be grouped with all the idiot youngsters.

Two, though I'd rather watch movie on my 60 inch TV, I do at times watch a movie on my iPad as I'm commuting on the tran. Nothing wrong with that. Which is why the Game of Thrones Blu-ray sets also come with digital copies.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Not really that funny is it? You must be easily pleased.

Could you try just once not to insult people. You're very disrespectful.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Isn't that day already here? We wouldn't dream of it but the kids are doing that now. It's almost unimaginable to me to watch something like the dark knight on a phone but many are watching films that way now. I bet they are watching the likes of a Game of Thrones that way as well. It's madness but it is happening.

Do you know anybody who watches movies only on smartphones?

I'm not asking if you ever saw a guy watching an episode of Castle on the train.

I'm asking if you personally know any of these kids who supposedly do all their movie watching on smartphones.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The 40 and over crowd will be gone in 30-40 years and that leaves the next next gen watching on portable devices. It is habit to them and they don't seem to have the love for movies that many of us do.

The 40 and over crowd might have a better appreciation for movies (then again, we might not but that's really neither here nor there) but the 40 and under crowd actually go to see movies in theaters.

http://www.mpaa.org/wp-content/uploa...ics-Report.pdf

In 2012 people between the ages of 12-24 made up 18% of the population but accounted for almost a third (31%) of all tickets sold in the US and Canada.

The 40 and over crowd? The ones with the real passion for movies?

We made up 48% of the population and we accounted for 34% of ticket sales. There were more than twice as many of us movie lovers and yet we barely outbought the smartphone crowd.

We might love movies more but these kids today, they're kicking our asses when it comes to actually supporting them.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

One, you lumped everyone under 40 as "the next generation" — I'm 32 and I don't want to be grouped with all the idiot youngsters.

Two, though I'd rather watch movie on my 60 inch TV, I do at times watch a movie on my iPad as I'm commuting on the tran. Nothing wrong with that. Which is why the Game of a thrones Blu-ray sets Also come with digital copies.

The forum is full of generalisations. There are always exceptions and unique cases. Consumers aged between 16-34 are a very important age group for the tech industry. That's why I gave the 40 and over example.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

One, you lumped everyone under 40 as "the next generation" — I'm 32 and I don't want to be grouped with all the idiot youngsters.

It's awkward being a tweener, isn't it.

I remember it well.

Well, sorta well.

On a good day.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

One, you lumped everyone under 40 as "the next generation" — I'm 32 and I don't want to be grouped with all the idiot youngsters.

Two, though I'd rather watch movie on my 60 inch TV, I do at times watch a movie on my iPad as I'm commuting on the tran. Nothing wrong with that. Which is why the Game of Thrones Blu-ray sets also come with digital copies.



Could you try just once not to insult people. You're very disrespectful.

So 'idiot youngsters' is not insulting?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

Do you know anybody who watches movies only on smartphones?

I'm not asking if you ever saw a guy watching an episode of Castle on the train.

I'm asking if you personally know any of these kids who supposedly do all their movie watching on smartphones.



The 40 and over crowd might have a better appreciation for movies (then again, we might not but that's really neither here nor there) but the 40 and under crowd actually go to see movies in theaters.

http://www.mpaa.org/wp-content/uploa...ics-Report.pdf

In 2012 people between the ages of 12-24 made up 18% of the population but accounted for almost a third (31%) of all tickets sold in the US and Canada.

The 40 and over crowd? The ones with the real passion for movies?

We made up 48% of the population and we accounted for 34% of ticket sales. There were more than twice as many of us movie lovers and yet we barely outbought the smartphone crowd.

We might love movies more but these kids today, they're kicking our asses when it comes to actually supporting them.

Oh what a suprise. The usual suspects chiming in!

Yes because buying loads of blurays is not supporting the film industry is it?

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

So 'idiot youngsters' is not insulting?

There's a difference, they earned that title. How many people over the age of 25 do you see doing "planking" or pouring Vodka in their eye sockets?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

There's a difference, they earned that title. How many people over the age of 25 do you see doing "planking" or pouring Vodka in their eye sockets?

No difference. You can't have a go at me for generalising and then do the same yourself.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yes because buying loads of blurays is not supporting the film industry is it?

Oh sure, we'll still watch movies on our couches. After all, we love them.

But don't you think it odd that the smartphone crowd is twice as likely to see films in all their cinematic splendor?

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

No difference. You can't have a go at me for generalising and then do the same yourself.

Well you also targeted me personally with that "easily pleased" comment. I might have let it slide otherwise.

[pentatonic]

Guys, what many fail to realize is that we, the blu-ray.com crowd are the weird ones. How many people do you know who own hundreds of BDs outside of this place? In your surroundings I'm sure you are the "nuts". Collectors like us make up such a tiny fraction of the market that imo we don't make much waves in the big picture.

More money in selling 10 million copies to the general public time and again (who cares if they are not the same every time) than all to 0.05%. Our views are not the norm, in any age group. I know some young people (i.e. under 30) who buy much more than all the others in my age group around me.

And please (sorry steed) stop blaming the young generation. Their entertainment dollar is now called upon for much more than we had. Gaming didn't exist then for example. And they didn't create all this, we did (we being the generation that calls the shot), they just bought into it. But we also use it as I doubt the only ones streaming Netflix are all under 30 and the only ones that use personal devices for entertainment are the young ones (I know for one I use my phone when not at home).

It's the industry that has changed, evolved with the technology. And to be honest I would rather know they watch movies on their phones (while buying into the theater concept highly) than not caring about movies at all, that would be danger. Also, I don't know too many under 30 who can afford to put down a few Ks on HT. In that age group your kids take a big chunk, your house has to be paid for and at 30 you usually are not at top level salaries yet.

They are not the enemy, they are the future, and whether you agree or not, it's where the industry will concentrate.

Seriously, how many others like us do you guys know? Some seem to think that because we spend tons we are entitled to be considered. If collectors played a huge part of the income, trust me they would cater, and as far as I know, we haven't been left out yet. The world changed, adapted and as the older gen, we have to adapt, not the other way around. Sucks getting old doesn't it?

[charlieray1]

Originally Posted by octagon

In 2012 people between the ages of 12-24 made up 18% of the population but accounted for almost a third (31%) of all tickets sold in the US and Canada.

The 40 and over crowd? The ones with the real passion for movies?

We made up 48% of the population and we accounted for 34% of ticket sales. There were more than twice as many of us movie lovers and yet we barely outbought the smartphone crowd.

We might love movies more but these kids today, they're kicking our asses when it comes to actually supporting them.

Mostly because there's less of interest to us (or at least me!) I saw Nebraska theatrically, and Gravity and enjoyed them (especially Nebraska!) But I have almost no interest in the latest super-hero epic or CGI action fest. For every grown-up film, like The King's Speech, there are dozens of films like The Green Hornet or Thor that I just don't care about.

I do enjoy watching blu-ray films at home -- but I'd go to theaters far more than I do if there was more variety being offered.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

Well you also targeted me personally with that "easily pleased" comment. I might have let it slide otherwise.

So a smiley laughing at someone's comments wasn't targeted at me? Right!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

Oh sure, we'll still watch movies on our couches. After all, we love them.

But don't you think it odd that the smartphone crowd is twice as likely to see films in all their cinematic splendor?

No, it's just socialising for them. It could be the bowling alley, fast food etc..

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

No, it's just socialising for them. It could be the bowling alley, fast food etc..

So the smartphone crowd (aka These Kids Today) are more likely (more than twice as likely, in fact) than the forty and over crowd to watch films on the big screen and they are more inclined to treat film viewing as a communal experience.

And to your way of thinking these are Bad Things?

I gotta say, I just don't see it.