Nightbreed: The Director's Cut (1990) (Limited Edition - SOLD OUT)

[dsman71]

Originally Posted by shamus

It's not really limited anymore. If it sells good they will just add another 5000 to it. You can't sell a two movie set (one of which sounds like its half finished with storyboards, missing audio and subtitles) for 80 bucks UNLESS it's really limited! They are treading new ground.

Coming from an armchair member who doesnt understand the business
It is limited and your gripes hold no water...you can think what you what I dont really care. You dont understand the business, you dont know whats going on behind the scenes, you dont know anything about the deal Scream and Warner brother made and your comments are absolutely worthless
Scream and Warner did this for the fans who missed out and yet people are complaining over another 5000 being made.

[Nickeleye7]

The almighty dollar reigns supreme. If there is money to be made they will do whatever they want. Now since Scream Factory will be acquiring more funds off this release there really should be no reason for any sound issues they indicated. Unless their just taking the extra profit and stuffing their pockets.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by dsman71

Scream and Warner did this for profit.

Fixed.

[dsman71]

Originally Posted by dissention

Fixed.

Isnt that what business is about ? Making money and a profit >
DUH
Thanks for the *fix*

[dissention]

Originally Posted by dsman71

Isnt that what business is about ? Making money and a profit >
DUH
Thanks for the *fix*

I'm at a loss as to why you are so determined to ascribe nothing but altruistic motives to these companies. Even Scream doesn't defend itself against criticism as ardently as you and they're as thin-skinned as they come.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by dsman71

Because someone needs to explain things and Im sick of all these no nothing troll types giving a discredit to a studio that has given us a lot of films. If it wasnt for Scream Factory how many films would not be on yours or others shelves ?
They give to the fans, they do the best they can and yet all I see are a bunch of crybabies. First they want Nightbreed, then its too expensive because its limited, then the ones who couldnt buy it because it sold out are upset, then Warner and SF make a deal to increase the LE to 10000 to give fans who missed out an opportunity to buy it and once again there are more complaints over that. Its really sickening

Don't hurl, dear. If complaints about middling Blu-ray discs from a middling horror label sicken you, my unsolicited advice is to step away from the keyboard. They should do nothing but induce an eyeroll.

For what it's worth, it is too expensive, being unable to buy limited editions when they sell out is because they are limited editions, and the increase to 10,000 does spit in the face of customers who jumped on it at the expensive price point because it was limited. I couldn't care less about the now-unlimited nature of the set because I just want the movie & the extras, but it's shit marketing on their part, pure & simple. Especially when you withhold the audio issues & the extras when asking for people to dole out cash for it before it's gone...and they pull out another 5,000 from their collective asses.

[sandman slim]

This being the USA, I'm just waiting for someone to file suit against SF, claiming false advertising or whatever. This, after all, is a country where people sue McDonalds because their coffee was hot. Some idjit will sue, the release will get put "on hold", and it'll be years before anything gets settled. I will actually be amazed if this gets released...

[TripleHBK]

I've always interpreted the price of the LE as being reflective of High licensing fees from Warner Bros and nothing to do with restoration or the limited number. Those fees haven't changed by the sudden appearance of an additional 5000 copies. Its very possible that Warner was paid a second fee for the additional copies, or that they get a percentage of the sale price for each LE sold. As stated, the collectors edition is standard price, meaning all the extra costs are coming from the Theatrical cut. Cutting the price now likely would only hurt Scream Factory. Scream is certainly going to make money on this set, but isn't that what we want? No one person is going to pocket the money, if anything it gives them a bigger budget to roll into future title acquisitions.

I get being upset about this not being so limited anymore, I really do, but hasn't just about every scream fan complained about the lack of a retail presence and how hard it is to find some of these releases. Things like this are what help convince bigger studios to roll out more titles, and if we're lucky, for retailers to maybe stock their shelves. Don't like spending $80? Buy it from Amazon. We worry and complain about how everything is going to the limited print run model, yet when a company most of us are grateful for ups their print run people freak the **** out. I long for the days of DVD where every title prints up 100000 or more copies. I shouldn't have to worry about buying expensive sets or limited releases during a pre-order window just to secure a copy of a movie in HD.

[harry keogh]

Originally Posted by TripleHBK

Cutting the price now likely would only hurt Scream Factory. Scream is certainly going to make money on this set, but isn't that what we want?

I disagree. For them to lose $$ on it at this point, WB would have to charge them more than they did for the initial 5000. I don't believe that to be the case since WB is being "gracious". Amazon is where I bought it from. I don't like lithos, I collect screen prints and 1-sheets.

[Jr7936]

i agree with you, part of the fun of limited print runs, is trying to source a copy
and feeling like you have something special

Originally Posted by Metallix87

But it's no longer as Limited as a result. If it sells out fast, what's to stop SF from pumping out another 5k or another 10k to meet demand? The point of a limited edition is NOT to meet demand.

[Kentai]

Originally Posted by TripleHBK

As stated, the collectors edition is standard price, meaning all the extra costs are coming from the Theatrical cut.

Part of the price, sure, but nowhere near the the full $50 MSRP over the Special Edition is going toward the inclusion of the Theatrical Cut. Keep in mind the LE will also come with a fancy booklet and an entire third disc of bonus features, and that none of these "Limited Editons" are nessecarily sold at cost. They're wagering on a number of fans wanting those bonuses that they'll pay a premium on them - and man, does it look like it paid off this time.

[dsman71]

Originally Posted by Metallix87

But it's no longer as Limited as a result. If it sells out fast, what's to stop SF from pumping out another 5k or another 10k to meet demand? The point of a limited edition is NOT to meet demand.

The agreement with Warner - It is now limited to 10000 - not as limited as 5000, yes, but it is still limited plus customers are able to get this title now, is that such a bad thing ? Warner agreed to 5000 more , so what's wrong with having more quantity but keeping it limited ? I see that as a good thing. And if they do go to Warner for 5000 another more, I will gladly say I was wrong..

Whats more important - having more customers being able to buy or having a 5000 limit with disgruntled fans who werent able to get it ? More importantly this increase was done FOR THE FANS who wanted this film.. Id rather see a happy fan than someone unhappy because they werent able to get the film.

You disagree.. fine ... end of story.. no point in going back and forth over this is there ?

[Metallix87]

Originally Posted by dsman71

The agreement with Warner - It is now limited to 10000 - not as limited as 5000, yes, but it is still limited plus customers are able to get this title now, is that such a bad thing ? Warner agreed to 5000 more , so what's wrong with having more quantity but keeping it limited ? I see that as a good thing. And if they do go to Warner for 5000 more, I will gladly say I was wrong..

Whats more important - having more customers being able to buy or having a 5000 limit with disgruntled fans who werent able to get it ?

You disagree.. fine ... end of story.. no point in going back and forth over this is there ?

I'm trying to explain that you're missing the point: The Collector's Edition will be readily available for those who miss out on the Limited Edition. They can still enjoy the film in HD. Regardless of if they go back and get more from Warner, the point is that they've hurt the rarity of their "limited" edition. It's now half as limited, and the possibility of them going back for more and further hurting the rarity is on the table. You may not value that, but again, SF is basically destroying the rarity of their self-proclaimed rare edition.

[TripleHBK]

Originally Posted by harry keogh

I disagree. For them to lose $$ on it at this point, WB would have to charge them more than they did for the initial 5000. I don't believe that to be the case since WB is being "gracious". Amazon is where I bought it from. I don't like lithos, I collect screen prints and 1-sheets.

Same here... Its a shame Scream factory couldn't/can't use the original artwork poster one sheets as reproductions as their freebies. It might make me pre order more often from them. As for my original comment, if Scream is paying on a percentage per title sold rate, cutting the price would only hurt them as Warners rate is fixed. If they paid a secondary fee for the additional 5000 copies this also holds true. Even if Warner just magically decided to allow them to print additional copies free of charge, consider the extra money they make as a way of offsetting the costs of Dark Angel, Q the winged Serpent, Ninja III and other titles that didn't do well.

[rdm5777]

I don't know how I feel about this. I'm a cheap son of a ***** and this is the most I will have ever paid for a single movie. I talked myself out of Enemy Mine from TT at $35. I decided to just let it go for once and make the purchase since it is an old favorite of mine from childhood and I respected the above & beyond effort that went into making this release happen. Hell, I even threw in a few bucks to help another member get a copy.

I don't care how many copies they make or how limited it is, to me it is about justifying the price and I think the price point could definitely be lower with a higher production run...not cut in half or anything drastic but definitely lower. Even a $5 reduction in price would have gone a long way in my book. I'll still keep my pre-order as long as I can fight off my cheap tendencies until it is released...but dammit, now I'm thinking I might be able to get this cheaper down the road...aside from cheap, I can also be patient...

[dsman71]

Originally Posted by Metallix87

I'm trying to explain that you're missing the point: The Collector's Edition will be readily available for those who miss out on the Limited Edition. They can still enjoy the film in HD. Regardless of if they go back and get more from Warner, the point is that they've hurt the rarity of their "limited" edition. It's now half as limited, and the possibility of them going back for more and further hurting the rarity is on the table. You may not value that, but again, SF is basically destroying the rarity of their self-proclaimed rare edition.

No Im not missing the point - the collectors want the LE , and now they can get it. There are people who are getting the Collectors Edition. It IS there if they want it.. I get it - but some prefer to own the LE
Is adding 5000 more really going to hurt the rarity of the item ? Not by much Come on...it went from 5-10000 - not 25000 or 50000 but a mere 10000.
I have (and had DVDs) that were limited to 10000 such as Suspiria

Anyway if you need to be right in this be my guest.. I dont care really . The whole thing is really pointless - it is what it is - 10000 units and there isnt anything you or anyone else can do to change that...Im glad people who wanted it can now get it..

[Metallix87]

Originally Posted by dsman71

No Im not missing the point - the collectors want the LE , and now they can get it. There are people who are getting the Collectors Edition. It IS there if they want it.. I get it - but some prefer to own the LE
Is adding 5000 more really going to hurt the rarity of the item ? Not by much Come on...it went from 5-10000 - not 25000 or 50000 but a mere 10000.
I have (and had DVDs) that were limited to 10000 such as Suspiria

Anyway if you need to be right in this be my guest.. I dont care really . The whole thing is really pointless - it is what it is - 10000 units and there isnt anything you or anyone else can do to change that...

The answer is yes, undoubtedly. It's now half as rare, essentially, and it's questionable what effect that will have on both the sales of the item, and it's overall perceived value. That may not be important to you or I, but it's what it is.

By the way, I'm not trying to be "right" here, I'm trying to explain to you why other people are upset, and why it's perfectly acceptable for them to be up in arms over this matter. You seem to want to dismiss them as "whiners", but I think it's easy to see and understand why they're upset about this, and lashing out at Scream Factory as a result.

Also, as a final side note, people had a chance to get it. It was available for pre-order for roughly two weeks or so. They had a chance. If they didn't jump on that opportunity, then they missed out. It was as simple as that. Please don't make it out like they had zero opportunity to order a copy.

[harry keogh]

Originally Posted by TripleHBK

consider the extra money they make as a way of offsetting the costs of Dark Angel, Q the winged Serpent, Ninja III and other titles that didn't do well.

If they came out and said that, I'd be OK with it. It would be honest. I think the reason these came up for preorder so early, without info on the extras, audio, etc was to judge the amount to manufacture. I think they had an agreement that they could print up to 10,000, 15,000, whatever, depending on the demand. Again, I am not upset about it, not cancelling my Amazon order, just think they can lower the price.

[Jr7936]

i said it earlier, look at the battle royale limited arrow video release, it was supposed to be 5.000 copies and they said the demand was so high that they changed it to 10,000. the used price and new price now is not as high as I bet it would have been if they only made 5,000 of them

Originally Posted by Metallix87

The answer is yes, undoubtedly. It's now half as rare, essentially, and it's questionable what effect that will have on both the sales of the item, and it's overall perceived value. That may not be important to you or I, but it's what it is.

By the way, I'm not trying to be "right" here, I'm trying to explain to you why other people are upset, and why it's perfectly acceptable for them to be up in arms over this matter. You seem to want to dismiss them as "whiners", but I think it's easy to see and understand why they're upset about this, and lashing out at Scream Factory as a result.

Also, as a final side note, people had a chance to get it. It was available for pre-order for roughly two weeks or so. They had a chance. If they didn't jump on that opportunity, then they missed out. It was as simple as that. Please don't make it out like they had zero opportunity to order a copy.

[dsman71]

Originally Posted by Metallix87

The answer is yes, undoubtedly. It's now half as rare, essentially, and it's questionable what effect that will have on both the sales of the item, and it's overall perceived value. That may not be important to you or I, but it's what it is.

By the way, I'm not trying to be "right" here, I'm trying to explain to you why other people are upset, and why it's perfectly acceptable for them to be up in arms over this matter. You seem to want to dismiss them as "whiners", but I think it's easy to see and understand why they're upset about this, and lashing out at Scream Factory as a result.

Also, as a final side note, people had a chance to get it. It was available for pre-order for roughly two weeks or so. They had a chance. If they didn't jump on that opportunity, then they missed out. It was as simple as that. Please don't make it out like they had zero opportunity to order a copy.

I can dismiss them as whiners because its the same bunch who whine about everything. So instead of a limited to 5000 its limited to 10000. And speculating over what happens next is a waste of time.
And it's not the end of the world, really - there are more important things to being up in the arms over.
It was available for two weeks, and some people COULDNT get it because they were waiting for their next check -Some people did not have that chance right away and those who were on the fence for whatever reason missed out...it sold very quickly and not everyone is on Facebook or here to catch that opportunity. Many waited until Amazon had it for less and some people missed out on that too. Opportunities were there but since it was limited to 5000 some people that were ready to get it could not. People missed out, hence they were upset, now they can buy it ...I dont see a problem with that.