Nightbreed: The Director's Cut (1990) (Limited Edition - SOLD OUT)

[UniSol GR77]

This thread is getting ridiculous to the nth degree. Talking about dumbness excalation.

What about the audio?

[AlexIlDottore]

Originally Posted by UniSol GR77

This thread is getting ridiculous to the nth degree. Talking about dumbness excalation.

What about the audio?

Some of us are talking about that

[cash_black]

Originally Posted by Wernski

It's not unfounded. It's certainly possible that you're correct and it will have full audio after all (Cliff was not definitive on the podcast). But it's certainly not unfounded. It was definitely suggested by the label representative himself, that the audio for the added scenes would be taken largely from the VHS.

I was referring to the possible use of subtitles for missing audio

[Hypnosifl]

Originally Posted by cash_black

I was referring to the possible use of subtitles for missing audio

That's exactly what Cliff said they might have to do in the podcast, did you listen to it? Again it depends on whether Clive Barker wants to use any of the non-Cabal-Cut scenes in his director's cut or just put them in the deleted scenes section.

[BrandonJF]

Originally Posted by bboisvert

I assume this is mentioned somewhere in these 100+ pages, but isn't Shout also the company that pulled even worse crap with the Freaks & Geeks "Yearbook Edition" - i.e. selling it as uber-limited to uber-fans online and then turning around a little later and reissuing an identical set at retail for much less?

"a little later" = "4 years" and the re-issued set wasn't "identical". The quality of the yearbook was lowered for the retail release along with a "second printing" indicator. I get that doesn't mean much for Ebay sellers since, in this case, it dropped the value of the original set big time. But, anyone who has dealt with collectibles or limited edition items should have encountered "variant reissues" at some point. It's nothing new.

People can be wary if purchasing this set is an investment. Although, I think it's long-term value is going to be non-existent at 10,000 units. The good news is there is plenty of time to cancel.

[dissention]

He clearly says in the podcast that any footage culled from the Cabal Cut will feature VHS audio. So, yes, it will have audio, but it will be shitty. The new scenes that were found, the ones that haven't been seen in any cut of the film, will not have audio if they are utilized, either in the Director's Cut or as deleted scenes.

What exactly is the argument?

[Thomas Irwin]

Originally Posted by dissention

He clearly says in the podcast that any footage culled from the Cabal Cut will feature VHS audio. So, yes, it will have audio, but it will be shitty. The new scenes that were found, the ones that haven't been seen in any cut of the film, will not have audio if they are utilized, either in the Director's Cut or as deleted scenes.

What exactly is the argument?

You know it's gotten bad when a guy named "dissention" is the lone voice of reason. The yin within a sea of yang, so to speak.

[David A.]

Originally Posted by dissention

He clearly says in the podcast that any footage culled from the Cabal Cut will feature VHS audio. So, yes, it will have audio, but it will be shitty.

The on set voices were the only thing on the VHS tape. The guy who put the Cabal cut together used the theatrical cut and the soundtrack CD to make it complete. So most of it won't be sourced from the VHS.

In the podcast Cliff said that they'd do their best to find the audio for the few scenes that are new to both cuts but they may have to use subtitles.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by David A.

The on set voices were the only thing on the VHS tape. The guy who put the Cabal cut together used the theatrical cut and the soundtrack CD to make it complete. So most of it won't be sourced from the VHS.

Crossing my fingers, man.

Originally Posted by David A.

In the podcast Cliff said that they'd do their best to find the audio for the few scenes that are new to both cuts but they may have to use subtitles.

He also says they aren't going to go through the audio that they have.

If they're just used as deleted scenes, I couldn't care less if they have audio or not. The sole deleted scene for Near Dark didn't have audio and it was still a great sequence. If these scenes are going to be reintegrated in the film, they better have audio. We're not paying for a cheesy fan edit here.

[UNCMT9]

Originally Posted by Bumblefeet

Yet you are still buying it from the so called scammers, it just goes via amazon. Even when the edition was limited at 5000, that discount price at amazon was there. You call anyone suckers for buying from Shout, guess what, that makes you a sucker as well.



It's a win win situation for both. Shout factory makes more money (though they will still owe Warner a chunk of it) and fans of the movie who missed out on it still get to order it and don't have to go to ebay where the real scam artists are at work. You couldn't find an auction below 80 $ on ebay before the additional 5000 was announced.



You sir, are the biggest sucker. Let me explain why:

You come on here accusing shout factory of scamming and cheating "the people" with a PRE-ORDER those same people can easily cancel. The release isn't even out yet for another 3 months.

Instead of having the balls to refuse buying from Shout for the reasons you state (and I disagree with), you still go ahead and order from them. That makes you a sucker for supporting scammers. (again, your choice of phrasing, I think they did a great thing listening to demand).

You want the best release for this film and you're still ordering the shout release. So you're saying it is the best release and so it is worth the pre-order price as you're obviously willing to spend it. An international release is being negotiated so you could still cancel the shout and wait for that to happen. But, oh, that's right, you're a sucker.

Who cares what he does with his money? You've been on this high horse with everyone who disagrees with you. You did it with me, also. We're all hypocrites in some way. I wouldn't call this a "scam," being I'm choosing to pay and am fully aware, but it is a tad dishonest in labeling as a "LE." If I go buy a car because of its exclusivity, and they tell me a certain number will be made, am I going to be mad when they unexpectedly increase production numbers? Shouldn't there be a price cut because it just took a hit in exclusive nature? That's the reason you buy anything limited because it's...limited. In this case, I'm buying this edition because it's the definitive cut with the best extras. If I could get this for $20, I would do so in a heartbeat. Honestly, let it go. Let it go more than the Frozen song. His purchasing decisions and reasoning behind them should not affect you calling out everyone who disagrees with your logic. It's called an opinion. This is why we have these forums and why collectors (which you said a few pages back why you can't see anyone wanting to pay large amounts for movies for display- they're wrong because they don't enjoy the movie for being a movie, like you) can come to voice their views on films. Calling someone a sucker? Are you 10? It's obvious you think anyone who complains is a "sucker" or a hypocrite. I like Scream and I happen to support them as much as I can. If this release is good, I'll continue to do so. I don't like what they did with the pricing and the increase in production numbers (and quite frankly, it's a tad misleading in the "LE" label) but I'm not going to project my opinion on everyone who disagrees with me. I'll let them draw their own conclusions about how they spend their money and what they find important in a blu ray film.

[Bumblefeet]

Originally Posted by UNCMT9

Who cares what he does with his money?

I don't, but I do care when someone calls a measure that helps out a lot of people who would have missed out otherwise, "scamming and cheating".

Originally Posted by UNCMT9

You've been on this high horse with everyone who disagrees with you. You did it with me, also. We're all hypocrites in some way. I wouldn't call this a "scam," being I'm choosing to pay and am fully aware, but it is a tad dishonest in labeling as a "LE."

If I've offended you by doing so, my apologies. But even you seem to have the common sense that what Shout did is not a scam nor cheating. And technically it is still a limited edition, though personally I don't care what number is made. You know my stance on limited items.

Originally Posted by UNCMT9

His purchasing decisions and reasoning behind them should not affect you calling out everyone who disagrees with your logic. It's called an opinion. This is why we have these forums and why collectors (which you said a few pages back why you can't see anyone wanting to pay large amounts for movies for display- they're wrong because they don't enjoy the movie for being a movie, like you) can come to voice their views on films. Calling someone a sucker? Are you 10? It's obvious you think anyone who complains is a "sucker" or a hypocrite.

Again, I only called him out on the whole scam/cheat angle. The only one I called a sucker was him because he stated himself those who get scammed by shout are suckers (yet he buys it himself). In a way he called himself a sucker by posting what he did LOL.

Originally Posted by UNCMT9

I'm not going to project my opinion on everyone who disagrees with me. I'll let them draw their own conclusions about how they spend their money and what they find important in a blu ray film.

But you seem to have no problems with Blu MacReady calling Shout "Scam factory"? I wouldn't have bothered responding otherwise...

[KarmaNL]

pff I wish this would come out now so all this would blow over

[David A.]

Originally Posted by dissention

If they're just used as deleted scenes, I couldn't care less if they have audio or not. The sole deleted scene for Near Dark didn't have audio and it was still a great sequence. If these scenes are going to be reintegrated in the film, they better have audio. We're not paying for a cheesy fan edit here.

I'm really not put out if there are a couple scenes that have to be subtitled. These would be scenes that would never have seen the light of day if they didn't miraculously find all the film. For years I've been reading the original script and imagining them, so some visuals will help! Clive's still friends with most of these people, so maybe they could get something from them. I know Doug Bradley already recorded all of his lines when they put together the Cabal Cut so Lylesburg's voice will match the new footage.

My only real concern about the sound is that they only have the music Elfman wrote for a 90 minute movie. The songs we have are fantastic but they will no doubt lose some of their luster when we keep hearing the same cues throughout the extra footage. There's no getting around that either, unless Elfman would do more music. Not likely. Christopher Young said he'd do the soundtrack for free, but I don't know if Clive Barker would want another composer coming in. He once said the only thing about Nightbreed that wasn't compromised was the music.

[Thomas Irwin]

Originally Posted by UNCMT9

We're all hypocrites in some way.

Let's just acknowlege it for the "wh*reable" situation that it is, and move on, shall we?

[Monty Cora]

Originally Posted by David A.

Christopher Young said he'd do the soundtrack for free, but I don't know if Clive Barker would want another composer coming in. He once said the only thing about Nightbreed that wasn't compromised was the music.

It's worth noting though, that Young took over for Elfman on the Spider-Man movies and did an excellent job of keeping the "Elfman sound" intact on all the new compositions.

[Darkstream]

After expanding the limit number from 5,000 to 10,000, you would think Amazon would have relisted this as being available again by now, especially considering how fast the first 5,000 sold out. Wouldn't it be better to strike while the fire is hot?

But not only is it still unavailable, but they removed the cover image from the original listing. I'm starting to wonder if there have been a significant number of cancellations for this after the limit number expanded, and now this is causing concerns with Amazon.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

After expanding the limit number from 5,000 to 10,000, you would think Amazon would have relisted this as being available again by now, especially considering how fast the first 5,000 sold out. Wouldn't it be better to strike while the fire is hot?

But not only is it still unavailable, but they removed the cover image from the original listing. I'm starting to wonder if there have been a significant number of cancellations for this after the limit number expanded, and now this is causing concerns with Amazon.

Don't drink the kool-aid. Most people haven't cancelled over this.

Most people don't care. They just want a copy of the set for their own enjoyment.

If expanding the edition size ruins it for the scalpers and speculators... that's a good thing.

Thankfully they were able to do it. Since WB only originally agreed to allowing 5K sets.

[Darkstream]

I'm keeping my pre-order at Amazon.

[Blu MacReady]

Originally Posted by Bumblefeet

Yet you are still buying it from the so called scammers, it just goes via amazon. Even when the edition was limited at 5000, that discount price at amazon was there. You call anyone suckers for buying from Shout, guess what, that makes you a sucker as well.



It's a win win situation for both. Shout factory makes more money (though they will still owe Warner a chunk of it) and fans of the movie who missed out on it still get to order it and don't have to go to ebay where the real scam artists are at work. You couldn't find an auction below 80 $ on ebay before the additional 5000 was announced.





You sir, are the biggest sucker. Let me explain why:

You come on here accusing shout factory of scamming and cheating "the people" with a PRE-ORDER those same people can easily cancel. The release isn't even out yet for another 3 months.

Instead of having the balls to refuse buying from Shout for the reasons you state (and I disagree with), you still go ahead and order from them. That makes you a sucker for supporting scammers. (again, your choice of phrasing, I think they did a great thing listening to demand).

You want the best release for this film and you're still ordering the shout release. So you're saying it is the best release and so it is worth the pre-order price as you're obviously willing to spend it. An international release is being negotiated so you could still cancel the shout and wait for that to happen. But, oh, that's right, you're a sucker.

I'm not ordering from shout? You're able to read AND digest what's written, right?

I don't have to worry about money so yeah I'm happy to buy it from amazon.

Pointing out the facts and not being blinded by a love for a company just because they release films I like doesn't make me a sucker. The title which was advertised as $80 to own one of 5000, is no longer. To point out the bait and switch scam is totally justified.

Choosing not to buy a title I want, just because some scam company have overpriced it, is pointless. What stand does that make? They going to not produce it cause I won't buy it? They'll still produce and sell it cause there are plenty of fools who'll happily pay them $80 direct, as they've managed to convince some weak minded, that it supports them and helps them to give their fans what they want.... They listen lol. Who misses out? Me for not picking up a cheaper copy elsewhere, how fruitless is that idea chump? Oh no wait, I should wait a year or so for an international release, smart idea. Thanks for that.

I'm pointing out facts. They justified the $80 cause of all the hard work and time blah blah blah (same version also released $24.99) they limited it to 5k. That is what you are buying - own one of 5k ltd edition $80. Wasn't $80 to own one of 10k, more once that's sold. Maybe they'll listen again and run out another 5k but cause it's want their loyal fans want it's ok - they're not really your friends. It's a scam.

It's only suckers who can't see that or believe they are doing this for their fans. If I had ordered direct and paid $80 you'd be right I'd be a sucker, they also take the money up front from what others have posted (another scam, why hold someone else money for 3 months?)

If they had reduced the $80 price, which was justified for a 5k run, once they announced they were devaluing the limitedness. Fine. Maybe not numbered the next set of 5k. Or if they had started of with 10k, again no problem. But they haven't although they do care, very caring and listening. It's a scam

[Wernski]

Originally Posted by cash_black

I was referring to the possible use of subtitles for missing audio

Yes, and Cliff said that's what they'd do in the podcast. Now, that interview was completed before they tackled the audio, so no one can say for sure how the final product will end up. But the subtitle thing is far from unfounded; it's founded on the best info we've got: direct statements from the guy leading Shout's restoration.