4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

The BBC has released a white paper on their HDR system which...

Speaking of acquisition (capture of imagery by cameras) which, to make an important point, is discussed by the author at the beginning of the BBC R&D white paper, reminds me of something that perhaps will make Sap feel good, at least in terms of philosophical validation.

Masters of Sex - https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Maste.../93145/#Review was shot (other than the pilot) in 4K and finished in 4K. Blu-ray reviewer Ken Brown has a fine eye for detail in that he readily identified “what little noise is present rarely spikes, leaving the image clean and consistent”.

But….contrary to what some may assume, that appearance is not camera noise, like for instance with Steven Soderbergh’s The Knick and the Red Dragon camera (at the prescribed ISO), so -

Question: What do you think is the etiology of that appearance in 'Masters' which Ken identified? Sap? Anyone?

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Anyway, be it Dolby or BBC adopted solution leading to an eventual consumer display probably in abouts the 800-1000 nit range to show off HDR at home, the take home message to videophiles now living in pitch dark or man caves with very little light, is to expect needing to increase your ambient lighting level accordingly, at least as outlined here with ambient lighting in mastering suites…..https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...nt#post9171143

If I am reading this correctly, I'd need to have some lights on in my home theater to match the environment that the HDR image was graded in when viewing 4K HDR content?

That seems really stupid if that's the case. When the lights are off, you are free to concentrate solely on the image in front of you. That is what is done for movies as well as plays and other live performances for as long as I can remember. I see no reason to change this at all. What benefit does it bring to the image? If this is what is being proposed, it is simply catering to the masses who watch movies with the lights on at home. I really doubt these people care about color accuracy, so why cater to them? For the longest time (even when I had a 27" CRT TV with mono sound and pan-and-scan VHS tapes) our family turned the lights off when watching a movie as we wanted to get the best picture and you also watched the movie more intently as you don't have anything else in the room to distract your attention.

This is a visual equivalent to the thankfully short-lived Dynagroove mastering system by RCA where the EQ of a vinyl record was tweaked to account for the low quality stylus/cartridge/turntable/speaker combination that a lot of people used. If it was played on a cheap setup, it would sound a bit better but if you had a more neutral setup it would sound very poor due to all of the distortion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynagroove


Honestly, if we are going to start color grading things this way you might as well crop all content to 1.78:1 and DNR the crap out of it so nobody has any pesky grain to worry about with film-based 4K content.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by singhcr

If I am reading this correctly, I'd need to have some lights on in my home theater to match the environment that the HDR image was graded in when viewing 4K HDR content?

That seems really stupid if that's the case. When the lights are off, you are free to concentrate solely on the image in front of you. That is what is done for movies as well as plays and other live performances for as long as I can remember. I see no reason to change this at all.

Well, I doubt you’ll be seeing in consumers' homes any 4000 nit displays as used by Dolby for demo-ing the full potential of HDR, but even so, depending on what TV manufacturers ultimately offer as their luminance (1000 nits?) for consumer displays showing HDR imagery, you’ll likely need more ambient lighting than you have now in order to prevent viewer discomfort (eye strain) over the course of watching an HDR 2 hr. movie.

Rather than all lights off, think more at least in the 2% range. So, let’s say, for the sake of calculation purposes, if future HDR capable TVs generally come out at 1000 nits, I personally would plan on ~ 20 nits ambient lighting for comfort.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

American football...

Opening in theaters this Friday - "The journey of legendary football coach Bob Ladouceur (Jim Caviezel), who took the De La Salle High School Spartans from obscurity to a 151-game winning streak that shattered all records for any American sport".

When The Game Stands Tall - Official Trailer - YouTube

DCP for……WHEN THE GAME STANDS TALL
Image Format: 4K (3996x2160 flat)
Audio Format: 5.1
File Size: 106 GB

[Penton-Man]

Cinephiles in the US should consider themselves lucky, as it could be worse if you lived in China….
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...nscreen-726204

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Cinephiles in the US should consider themselves lucky, as it could be worse if you lived in China….
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...nscreen-726204

Sigh.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Sigh.

Cinephile hell.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Cinephile hell.

So glad ninety percent of my viewing is in my own little home cinema! No annoying ******* with smartphones in my kingdom

[Deciazulado]

If you're in los Angeles or nearby you can catch a few 4K restorations and learn about them by attending this, starting tomorrow:

The Reel Thing Symposium opens this Thursday night 
with World Premiere of 
4k Restoration of 
The Day the Earth Stood Still


[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Sigh.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Cinephile hell.

Maybe they will text stuff about soccer.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

If you're in los Angeles or nearby you can catch a few 4K restorations and learn about them by attending this, starting tomorrow:

Too expensive for my blood…unless, you’re attending as a perk or have an individual sponsor. I’m in the saving mode after reading this story in the LA Times, linked in the first paragraph here - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...es#post9608994

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Maybe they will text stuff about soccer.

Reminds me, because of reshoots and a delayed post production, Pelé (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0995868/ ) never did make it, as intended, in time for the World Cup this summer.

Pushed back now to Dec. Mark your calendar accordingly, Peter.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Maybe they will text stuff about soccer.

That's a good idea! Sports games in the cinema with tweets and texts at the bottom of the screen. Unlike films, with football we do chat while watching so you could be on to something!

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Cinephile hell.

Hey now, they're just following the cool kids. If you think using your phone during a cinema performance is uncivilized, they let you do it for plays and concerts in a special section. At least they had the courtesy to place them in a section that doesn't disturb the other patrons with clicking noises and/or glowing screens.

By "they" I mean the Guthrie theater in Minneapolis.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2375447.html

However, I can't find any mention of this on their website and they have a section on theater ettiquitte that states that using phones is distracting and disrespectful so maybe they have had a change of heart.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Speaking of acquisition (capture of imagery by cameras) which, to make an important point, is discussed by the author at the beginning of the BBC R&D white paper, reminds me of something that perhaps will make Sap feel good, at least in terms of philosophical validation.

Masters of Sex - https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Maste.../93145/#Review was shot (other than the pilot) in 4K and finished in 4K. Blu-ray reviewer Ken Brown has a fine eye for detail in that he readily identified “what little noise is present rarely spikes, leaving the image clean and consistent”.

But….contrary to what some may assume, that appearance is not camera noise, like for instance with Steven Soderbergh’s The Knick and the Red Dragon camera (at the prescribed ISO), so -

Question: What do you think is the etiology of that appearance in 'Masters' which Ken identified? Sap? Anyone?

Answer:
synthetic film grain for a purposeful Director-intended textured look to the imagery (Season 1 is set in the 1950’s)

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by singhcr

they let you do it for plays

Good thing they don't allow 'open carry' to those establishments....or do they?

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Good thing they don't allow 'open carry' to those establishments....or do they?

They do, but I expect you would kindly be asked to leave (or conceal your gun).

Minnesota's carry law is clearly written, but not always enforced correctly. Buildings that are owned by the public like city hall, the Capital building, libraries, etc cannot ban citizens from carrying firearms, openly or concealed. The only public places that you cannot carry a gun in would be courthouses and prisons. The Guthrie is owned by the city of Minneapolis so they cannot prevent you from carrying there.

Malls cannot ban carry in a carte blanche fashion, but the MOA likes to think that they can based on their signs. Only individual stores can ban people, not the entire mall.

Sports stadiums that are owned by the public cannot ban guns, but the places renting them can, and do.

Most stores do not have any signs banning carry whatsoever, but any private business can ask you to leave if they do not want you carrying there, sign or no sign. If you do not comply they can call the police. If the police ask you to leave and you do not, then you will be arrested.

Long story short, I carry a pistol with me when I am out and about everywhere save for stadiums, and my workplace. For comfort reasons I carry a small pistol that is in a holster and in my pocket. Heavier pistols require a dedicated belt which I don't want to deal with. I will occasionally carry openly, but in my experience nobody cares because if you act normally, people are not bothered. Overall, it is a "don't ask, don't tell" policy for the most part as even if I am in an establishment with a no guns sign, I am not in violation of the law unless I refuse to leave if asked. I have never been asked to leave when openly carrying my pistol (although I have seldomly done so) but if I was asked, I would kindly leave. We Minnesota folk are a polite bunch.

These types of laws generate a lot of controversy, but after people realize that the sky hasn't fallen, nobody cares at it becomes the new normal. There were essentially no gun laws in the US until 1968, and open/concealed carry laws didn't come into play until the late 1970s due to lawmakers concerned about groups like the Black Panthers. The law in MN was relaxed to allow any citizen to carry a firearm in Minnesota as long as they passed a background check and completed a training course in 2003. Back then, people thought that people would get shot over petty arguments and blood would cover the streets, but that hasn't happened. People forget that during the carefree days of the 1950s the gun laws were more permissive than they are now. People got upset when gay marriage and medical marijuana became legal as well, but after the fuss is over people will stop caring about that, too. As a whole, Minnesotans are tolerant regarding differing beliefs which is one reason why I enjoy living here. It also helps that there is a strong outdoors spirit here. In addition to hiking, biking, skiing, etc, there are a lot of hunters and fishermen/women as well. I got my carry permit in 2010 after a lot of thinking, and while only 10% of citizens have such a permit, it is good that people can exercise this right if they so choose.

Penton: Based on your insider knowledge, I take it you live in Los Angeles or somewhere thereabouts? With the exception of non-rural CA and some holdout states in the East Coast like NY (New York City at least), NJ, and MA in addition to Hawaii the laws in MN are the law of the land across the US. I guess this isn't entirely on-topic so if you'd like to chat some more maybe it would be better via PM.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by singhcr

Penton: Based on your insider knowledge, I take it you live in Los Angeles or somewhere thereabouts?...

After reading that entire post above, I recommend nobody here mess with sing!!!!!!! I used to own a Sig but found the trigger pull just too dang hard, so moved to the Glock. That’s all the gun info you get from me.

We (my wife and I) keep several places across the country, but yes, our primary abode is smack in the middle of southern Calif. earthquake country within easy driving distance as locals like to refer to it ‘Hollyweird’. Dem smart computer types with access (like the mods) can even track my usual posting IP address down to some barren desert scrub land in the heart of suburbia when I post while watching the rattlers slither by (joking here).

We’re looking into buying another get-away residence in either Kris Deering’s neck of the woods or perhaps Vancouver (great bike riding) Canada because we already have a place down south on Coronado Island down Ole Mexico way.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Answer:
synthetic film grain for a purposeful Director-intended textured look to the imagery (Season 1 is set in the 1950’s)

0.1 level. Dialed back a tad for Season 2.

[Steedeel]

I watched a 'mastered in 4k' bluray last night and it looked superb. The best way I can describe it is like a 'superbit' bluray. It has got me hyped for true 4k!