Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[stvn1974]

If the above is true then I give up. It is going to be Star Trek Into Darkness stupidity all over again.

Also if that is the plot for the new film trilogy I don't see the UOT coming out.

Of course

[Show spoiler]Christensen could just be there to replace James Earl Jones's Vader dialogue for a new Saga blu-ray set.

[tilallr1]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

As horrifying as Palpatine killing Padme would've been, it wouldn't have broken Anakin's spirit like believing he was responsible himself did. Besides, Palpatine's not the type to get his own hands dirty unless absolutely necessary, like when Mace showed up to arrest him or Luke refused to kill Vader.

Lucas was basically stuck with this problem in 1983 though, by having Leia say she actually remembered her mother. It still surprises me that he either ignored or forgot about that when making Episode III.

Ok then easy fix:

http://vimeo.com/77887436

Most people chalk up the Leia thing to the fact that she had a mental force link with her mother in the womb. Which is why its feelings mostly. Also "Through the force, many things will you see: the future, the past, old friends long gone"

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by tilallr1

Ok then easy fix:

http://vimeo.com/77887436

Most people chalk up the Leia thing to the fact that she had a mental force link with her mother in the womb. Which is why its feelings mostly. Also "Through the force, many things will you see: the future, the past, old friends long gone"

I didn't notice anything different about that, except the droid's "will to live" line being cut. The whole "seen through the Force" reason seems like a cop-out, since the "Jedi" scene strongly implies Leia was referring to her mother in the flesh.

[Ernest Rister]

Calling it now...Leia is gifted in seeing the past and the present. She doesn't have "flesh memories" of her mother, she's seen her in the past through the Force, and didn't know the difference between those visions and actual memories. She'll be used to search the past for clues, and to help find Luke (if Luke is indeed in trouble and missing, I'll believe rumors when I see the actual movie).

"Hear me...Leia."

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

I didn't notice anything different about that, except the droid's "will to live" line being cut. The whole "seen through the Force" reason seems like a cop-out, since the "Jedi" scene strongly implies Leia was referring to her mother in the flesh.

It doesn't, actually. She specifically says, "just images really. Feelings."

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

As horrifying as Palpatine killing Padme would've been, it wouldn't have broken Anakin's spirit like believing he was responsible himself did.

So Palpatine doesn't tell him.

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Besides, Palpatine's not the type to get his own hands dirty unless absolutely necessary, like when Mace showed up to arrest him or Luke refused to kill Vader.

This is your objection? That killing Padme himself wouldn't be in keeping with Palpatine's character?

Seriously?

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by octagon

So Palpatine doesn't tell him.

Anakin's not stupid, and Palpatine knew it. If he'd killed Padme himself, there would always be a risk that his pupil would turn against him...and Palpatine would never do anything to make that worse. He goaded Luke into striking at him because he knew Vader was still loyal, and would protect him; that wouldn't be the case at all if he killed Padme, and Vader found out.

This is your objection? That killing Padme himself wouldn't be in keeping with Palpatine's character?

Precisely.

[tilallr1]

I feel like we have completely derailed this thread.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Anakin's not stupid,...

You're right. The idea of Palpatine pulling any wool over Anakin's eyes is patently absurd.

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Precisely.

I'm having a hard time believing you're serious here.

If faced with a choice between Padme - warrior, Queen, senator, hero - simply giving up and dying even though she'd just given birth to twins and Palpatine committing a single murder you would stick with the former?

Because the latter wouldn't be in keeping with Palpatine's character?

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by octagon

You're right. The idea of Palpatine pulling any wool over Anakin's eyes is patently absurd.

Anakin didn't fall to darkness from stupidity, but desperate fear...and Palpatine played on that. If the Emperor had let Anakin know his entire plan from the start, the young Jedi would've reported him to the Council before the Separatist War started. But the Sith are manipulators, and that requires stealth; something that would be violated by Padme dying at Palpatine's hands.

If faced with a choice between Padme - warrior, Queen, senator, hero - simply giving up and dying even though she'd just given birth to twins and Palpatine committing a single murder you would stick with the former?

I wish Lucas had come up with a better solution as well, but given those two options, the former is "the lesser of two evils".

[simonynwa]

Delete the medical droid crap, leave the audience to assume Anakin's Force Choke did ultimately kill her - problem solved.

[tilallr1]

Originally Posted by simonynwa

Delete the medical droid crap, leave the audience to assume Anakin's Force Choke did ultimately kill her - problem solved.

As I posted a few posts up. Video below easily fixes problem as you suggest:

http://vimeo.com/77887436

Hopefully, GL will re-edit the scene in a special edition in the future. Since he is good at that.

[MCT]

Originally Posted by Terminated

You guys think that's the least of your worries.
Rumor has it that

[Show spoiler]The Sith Inquisitors have taken Anakin's Dna and infused it to their Master . So his voice will also be that of Anakin. Hayden Christensen has been seen at the studios California voicing his lines for the villain.

LMFAO! No way this is true. No way at all.

PLEASE GOD IF YOURE REAL DONT LET THIS BE TRUE

[tilallr1]

Originally Posted by MCT

LMFAO! No way this is true. No way at all.

PLEASE GOD IF YOURE REAL DONT LET THIS BE TRUE

I am 100% sure this is not going to happen and the rumors (as all rumors for Star Wars Episode 7) are 100% false. So don't worry.

[Jedijake]

Rumor has it that
The Sith Inquisitors have taken Anakin's Dna and infused it to their Master . So his voice will also be that of Anakin. Hayden Christensen has been seen at the studios California voicing his lines for the villain.

There is absolutely no rumor whatsoever that states anything remotely similar to this.

[simonynwa]

Can a sequel trilogy do without the Sith ? Im not sure they can. They seem to be as much a part of the Saga as the Jedi and for the Episode movies I think it makes sense to explore them further just as much as they may well develop the Jedi. Other than referring to the Emperor and Vader, I hope they stay dead, but (and Im assuming they will stay dead regardless of rumours) it makes sense to use the Sith in some other form. Introducing a whole new villain concept will leave people constantly comparing and let's face it I don't think they can possible top Vader as a villain.

I do remain astounded by the level of secrecy managed to date. It's no wonder the thread tends to wander to prequel/original stuff since there is really so little out there and even that has the whiff of first drafts about it. At this rate we could get a teaser trailer and poster before anything major is even let out. Wouldn't that be impressive ?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by simonynwa

Can a sequel trilogy do without the Sith?

Yeah, I think they could do without the Sith.

If you think about it, the force wasn't the focus of the first movie. It was more spice than ingredient. The new trilogy could effectively focus on any number of threats or enemies without necessarily going down the Sith v Jedi road.

If could even be some externalish threat to all life/midichlorians (though with any luck we won't hear the actual word too many times) that forces - hahahahaha, see what I did there - practitioners of the dark and light sides to work together.

There are a lot of ways they could go without rehashing the same conflicts and players.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by MCT

LMFAO! No way this is true. No way at all.

PLEASE GOD IF YOURE REAL DONT LET THIS BE TRUE

I am not sure what everyone is worried about. His performance may not have been great but other directors have been able to get better work out of him - nothing stellar but still better. If JJ is truly that great visionary director every seems to think he is, he shouldn't have any issue getting a better performance too. Besides, everyone complained when they revoiced Boba Fett, why should this be any different?

[DisneyBlu]

More (Possible) Major Star Wars: Episode VII Spoilers


Some could be real, most could be fake, it could all be B.S. rumors (and probably is). But if you don't want to take the chance of these details being real, go ahead and skip this post.

>Leia is made leader of the Republic after her predecessor's death

>Han is a retired veteran of the Republic fleet

>Luke hasn't been seen in nearly 30 years

>the lead character is Han and Leia's daughter

>the other lead is the child of Lando, and either a male or female depending on who is cast

>the other lead is a Stormtrooper, also either a male or female depending on who is cast

>dialogue for these two characters is very rough in the second draft

>Luke has no known offspring

>The Empire still exists in the form of a number of loyal galaxies and are in a state of cold war with the Republic

>The Empire is simply referred to as the "Empire," and the Republic is referred to formally only once, as the "Galactic Republic;" no "New" anywhere

>There are no Jedi whatsoever, and people still speak as if they are extinct, with Luke being "the last of his kind"

>The main antagonists are an older student of the Emperor, and his apprentice

>The apprentice takes control of the power dynamic between the two pretty quickly...

>The Republic are excavating ruins on a neutral world for a weapon; the world factors into tense negotiations the Empire have had with the Republic, and is referred to as the "Sith Homeworld"

>Loredump: In the script, the Sith are a couple thousand years old, founded by an ancestor of Palpatine called Ruin; the apprentice in this film also goes by that name >the ruins within the Sith Homeworld are a control station; the planet itself is the weapon

>Luke saves the day at the end, but in a bad way; he has changed.

[Geoff D]

Soooo.....rough dialogue and a planet sized weapon? It's Star Wars alright!