Official Power Sound Audio Thread.

[Tom V.]

Originally Posted by tristian0507

Why does it have to be complaining? Im inquiring about a product and i want to know everything about it. Why are you kissing his a**, he is not going to give you a free sub! Why cant i question companies that increase prices, i have the right to ask why! Can you justify gas prices? Its a business, thats what they do! To this day we all know how it works, at least most of us.

I think the problem is we have already disclosed why we were forced to increase pricing 4-5 months ago, and I(and several other members here) linked all that information for you again...several times...over the past couple of days.

So you have all the information and now it just seems like you are complaining simply to be argumentative and a little insulting along the way. When you call my explanation "bogus" and "creative" the obvious implication is I'm not being truthful. That has me wondering....if you feel the OWNER of the company cannot be trusted...why would you ever consider a purchase from them regardless of the price?

I've already asked once, but since you believe our pricing is too high, which like priced competing products do you consider a better value?

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

[Tom V.]

Originally Posted by tristian0507

Everybody seems to be caught up with "made in china". No im not Chinese. When is "made in USA" what does that really mean now? We don't make the best cars, etc... Its just overrated to put a bigger price tag. Listen, i think psa has good products, but these increases i just cant justify. I cant understand why people just take it and tell tom its ok. If everybody would be against it, what do you think tom would have to do, bring the price down. Its business sense, everybody does it. Companies test the waters and if they dont have to many people complain they keep doing the same thing.

Ummmm, no. You are entitled to your opinions of course but I can tell you...you are incorrect with many of your assumptions that you state as factual. We price our products as the lowest MSRP possible to ensure our long term growth and sustainability. And I can assure you, no one working at Power Sound Audio is "getting rich". Jim and I do this because it is a passion of ours and we love coming to work everyday. We could both be making *much* more money elsewhere..

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

[Tom V.]

Originally Posted by tristian0507

If you want to ignore the truth then go on with your life. Im glad you like to take it in hard! The truth that is. I wont go anywhere, you will still hear from me. They don't teach stupidity, imagine if they did!?!

Like i said, i will still consider PSA. Hopefully they don't have another price increase soon...im sure another one is coming... I better make a decision fast. Society gets better and better, got to love it.

Tom,
No hard feelings. You have your way of doing business and there will always be people like me (dont kiss arce and have balls) to tell you i disagree with your business decision. Iam the customer and customers come first!

We've had two price increases in our 2.5(?) year history. The first was the wood veneer enclosures. This was 100% out of our control as the vendor increased pricing dramatically (nearly DOUBLED) without warning. Some now think our wood veneer pricing is too high and that is understandable. However, REAL WOOD(not the fake vinyl stuff seen on many subs) veneering done in Ohio to furniture grade standards is very expensive to manufacture. We've pursued many other options and the costing is always in the same ballpark. In any case, when the costing of the veneer went up we had two choices. We could have discontinued the product line or we could increase pricing as needed to keep the product line sustainable for the long term. We chose the latter and it seems to be the correct choice as we're shipping out a good number of wood veneer products every week.

The second price increase coincided with our move to the new SE drivers. This has already been explained to you several times so I won't bother repeating all the details again. In any event, I don't feel that two price increased(with one only applying to a very specific option) really warrants comments like """I'm sure another price increase is coming, better act fast""".

Comments like that just make it seem like you are trolling now.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

[tristian0507]

Originally Posted by wormraper

Sounds more like you're angry and bitter. He can charge what he likes and we can agree or disagree by choosing to purchase or not.

And as for health. I know more than most about health as I live with a chronic pain condition daily that's on par with advance arthritis pain.

No I'm not angry and bitter. You just simply wont accept the fact that a business is always going to have the intention of making more money. That is the nature of things. As to he can charge what he wants, very true. But, we have control on weather we agree with it or not. Not just PSA, but any company/industry out there.

[tristian0507]

Originally Posted by Tom V.

I think the problem is we have already disclosed why we were forced to increase pricing 4-5 months ago, and I(and several other members here) linked all that information for you again...several times...over the past couple of days.

So you have all the information and now it just seems like you are complaining simply to be argumentative and a little insulting along the way. When you call my explanation "bogus" and "creative" the obvious implication is I'm not being truthful. That has me wondering....if you feel the OWNER of the company cannot be trusted...why would you ever consider a purchase from them regardless of the price?

I've already asked once, but since you believe our pricing is too high, which like priced competing products do you consider a better value?

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

Why do people always say its arguing when there is a disagreement of any sort. I wasnt there 4-5 months to discuss this matter. People here defend you like you own them (please don't sensitive) when they have no access to your financial records. You defensing your company, that i can respect and learn from. I hate when people get so obsessed with something. Is your product good, ive said many time of course. Do i think its superior to the point where another sub can't touch it, maybe. But this was never the disagreement. As to what subs im interested- hsu vtf-15, svs ultra13, and psa of course. You go into each those forums and you will find the same thing a bunch of fanboys defending there product like its the best thing ever. I like to be open and think beyond common.

[tristian0507]

Originally Posted by Tom V.

Ummmm, no. You are entitled to your opinions of course but I can tell you...you are incorrect with many of your assumptions that you state as factual. We price our products as the lowest MSRP possible to ensure our long term growth and sustainability. And I can assure you, no one working at Power Sound Audio is "getting rich". Jim and I do this because it is a passion of ours and we love coming to work everyday. We could both be making *much* more money elsewhere..

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

Are you making more money now with increase then before? If you are i think its great, its your business, it how its suppose to be, its the way i would have it. Ill ask again, are you making more money with the increase then before?

Also,
At end of day you have bills just anybody else. As a business you are here to make money and thats the way it should be, no problem with that. You could probably go somewhere else and make money and i can probably make the same statement. But, your goal im sure is to be patient and let the company grow. And im sure there will be a price increase in the future. Thats just the way it is. You are here here to make money! Ill ask again, are you making more money with increases then before? If its yes ill respect it since your honest about it.

[tristian0507]

Originally Posted by Tom V.

We've had two price increases in our 2.5(?) year history. The first was the wood veneer enclosures. This was 100% out of our control as the vendor increased pricing dramatically (nearly DOUBLED) without warning. Some now think our wood veneer pricing is too high and that is understandable. However, REAL WOOD(not the fake vinyl stuff seen on many subs) veneering done in Ohio to furniture grade standards is very expensive to manufacture. We've pursued many other options and the costing is always in the same ballpark. In any case, when the costing of the veneer went up we had two choices. We could have discontinued the product line or we could increase pricing as needed to keep the product line sustainable for the long term. We chose the latter and it seems to be the correct choice as we're shipping out a good number of wood veneer products every week.

The second price increase coincided with our move to the new SE drivers. This has already been explained to you several times so I won't bother repeating all the details again. In any event, I don't feel that two price increased(with one only applying to a very specific option) really warrants comments like """I'm sure another price increase is coming, better act fast""".

Comments like that just make it seem like you are trolling now.

Tom V.

Power Sound Audio

Comments like anything shouldn't matter. You are professional that owns a business. There is no reason to get all emotional about anything. Im sure you felt offended, that was never my intention. I caught up with all the fanboys in here. I havn't been talking out of my arce, ive worked for a business many, many years and i know how price increases work, and its no different anywhere else.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by tristian0507

Im not stupid to think he gets the components for free. All im saying is he probably making more money now then he was before with price increase.

I'm not questioning your intelligence at all. Before I got into building subs, I thought I could save money. I bought the JL Audio for about $3.3K - and built a dual subwoofer, lesser drivers, half the power, and about 2/3 the performance - and it cost me about $1,300.


A lot goes into cost that people aren't aware of.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by tristian0507

Comments like anything shouldn't matter. You are professional that owns a business. There is no reason to get all emotional about anything. Im sure you felt offended, that was never my intention. I caught up with all the fanboys in here. I havn't been talking out of my arce, ive worked for a business many, many years and i know how price increases work, and its no different anywhere else.

I think you should go into the subwoofer business, and show everyone how it's done.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by tristian0507

No I'm not angry and bitter. You just simply wont accept the fact that a business is always going to have the intention of making more money. That is the nature of things. As to he can charge what he wants, very true. But, we have control on weather we agree with it or not. Not just PSA, but any company/industry out there.

I'm agreeing with that point. companies EXIST to make money, but you've said your piece, now stop trolling

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

I'm not questioning your intelligence at all. Before I got into building subs, I thought I could save money. I bought the JL Audio for about $3.3K - and built a dual subwoofer, lesser drivers, half the power, and about 2/3 the performance - and it cost me about $1,300.


A lot goes into cost that people aren't aware of.

ok, OCD thing here. spending 1/3 the amount and buying lesser drivers and 1/2 the power is of COURSE not going to net you as much... however get a good driver, get a nice power amp and a great design and it's a different story... for $1200 I'm actually eclipsing 2 PB-13 Ultras by a nice margin... I'm dropping another 1.5 grand down soon and that will give me enough power to float an army.

/nerdy DIY rant

[Tom V.]

Originally Posted by tristian0507

Are you making more money now with increase then before? If you are i think its great, its your business, it how its suppose to be, its the way i would have it. Ill ask again, are you making more money with the increase then before?

Also,
At end of day you have bills just anybody else. As a business you are here to make money and thats the way it should be, no problem with that. You could probably go somewhere else and make money and i can probably make the same statement. But, your goal im sure is to be patient and let the company grow. And im sure there will be a price increase in the future. Thats just the way it is. You are here here to make money! Ill ask again, are you making more money with increases then before? If its yes ill respect it since your honest about it.

I'm sorry but we're not going to make our private finances public no matter how many times you demand that. You do understand how rude and inappropriate that is don't you?

At this point, I think everyone here agrees....please do me(us) a favor and purchase a different product.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

[tristian0507]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

I'm not questioning your intelligence at all. Before I got into building subs, I thought I could save money. I bought the JL Audio for about $3.3K - and built a dual subwoofer, lesser drivers, half the power, and about 2/3 the performance - and it cost me about $1,300.


A lot goes into cost that people aren't aware of.

Im sure Tom is passionate about building subs and thats one of the reasons he does this. But, im sure he also does it for the money and espansion of his business. He has bills just like everyone else. I know bulding anything is not cheap, but as a business you are not going to build something to break even. Its got to pay the bills.

[tristian0507]

Originally Posted by Tom V.

I'm sorry but we're not going to make our private finances public no matter how many times you demand that. You do understand how rude and inappropriate that is don't you?

At this point, I think everyone here agrees....please do me(us) a favor and purchase a different product.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

You sound like a politician now when asked about there financial records. What happened to being transparent? Are you telling me my money is no good with your company? You would cancel my sales order based on what? Me disagreeing with a business decision you made. Rude why is it rude? Because im questioning your company? Thats my right! If anything you should of been more professional instaed of getting emotional about this. Ive questioned your price increase, but then again and again i have complimented your products. I have to agree with everything your company represents. I thought you were better then that, i thought your company was better then that.

[tristian0507]

Originally Posted by wormraper

I'm agreeing with that point. companies EXIST to make money, but you've said your piece, now stop trolling

Your right i have made my point. Im surprised someone agreed with something so logical. Ive never had a problem with the increase, thats going to happen here and everywhere else. I had a problem wih the explanation, i dont think its valid. PSA is not fisrt and last i will question. If i disagree with a business decision i will let that business know. Imagine if there were more of me, there would be more control of the free market!

[tristian0507]

So ive made my point, i didnt think i would offend some people by asking a simple business question. He wont post his financial records, which he is entitled to. BUT, Im also entitled to my opinion. Enough of that...


I think PSA should offer a veener option on the XV30Fse so it can compete with the seaton hp submersive. Im sure seaton people would disagree, but why not i ask?

[Tom V.]

Originally Posted by deltadube

BTW, this picture reminds me we do have a couple of XV30Fse we are moving out of the office soon. We've used them for a week or two blending with our new speakers for listening sessions. They look/perform new with the same 5 year warranty, 30 day audition, etc. We'll probably pop these in the outlet center for $1399(100 off) including shipping. Please email me if anyone is interested. Thanks.

Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

[Tom V.]

Originally Posted by jbrown15

Now that I see the prizes list I really wish I hadn't missed out on this!..lol

I've taken two of the worst beatings in my FF experience. Stafford ends up with negative 2. I thought I had a nice combo with him and Calvin....oh the horror.


Tom V.
Power Sound Audio

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by tristian0507

Im not stupid

[Show spoiler]to think he gets the components for free. All im saying is he probably making more money now then he was before with price increase. Just like i question gas companies, I will do the same to any other. I dont understand why people just stand there and say its ok. When gas companies raise prices and give there explanation on why, are you like - thats fine. Look what happened to the mortgage industry, we kept saying its fine and the country ended up with homes they couldn't afford.

Originally Posted by tristian0507

Maybe I'm to stupid,

[Show spoiler]cause i don't get it. If you read every explanation that any company has given for a price increase, they are all going to sound the same. Cost of this, cost of that. But, they keep getting richer. Why is that? You defend a company and have no access to any of there financial records to justify your information. But then again you are ok with a price increase. I don't get it!?! Good products and your right Tom provides good customer service, little on the defensive side today, but good guy. Ill decide weather i can justify the price difference for the product. Every company will try to earn your business and tell you its the best product, thats why theres plenty of forums for all products. If im here its because im interested, if you cant criticism im sure there a forum for that!

[schan1269]

Originally Posted by tristian0507

So ive made my point, i didnt think i would offend some people by asking a simple business question. He wont post his financial records, which he is entitled to. BUT, Im also entitled to my opinion. Enough of that...


I think PSA should offer a veener option on the XV30Fse so it can compete with the seaton hp submersive. Im sure seaton people would disagree, but why not i ask?

How are you not blocked yet?

Insulting Tom, repeatedly.

You want to see a price increase? Go check out every single ID speaker/subwoofer company and their "news blurb" back around April to June.

Robert Green(one of the largest wood veneer manufacturers) tripled their cost. The rest of the industry doubled to quadrupled.

Smurfit(cardboard) doubled their cost.

Who do you think those upcharges get passed on to?

And...learn the differences between whether/weather(and numerous others). Nobody likes to pay attention to people with barely 2nd grade grammar.