People's irrational fear of the PS3

[CAB]

Some people have irrational fears and hang-ups about what others think and do.

[Edh63]

Originally Posted by CAB

Some people have irrational fears and hang-ups about what others think and do.

This is probably the most accurate comment so far about that.

[zor]

Originally Posted by Edh63

PS3ers need to stop concerning themselves with the reasons why others don't want one. Why in the world would you care about someone buying a standalone over a PS3? Are you being paid endorsements for your constant badgering and ignorant bantering back and forth?

I just don't want anyone to miss out on something so good for all the wrong reasons.

Maybe, just maybe, it's that and nothing to do with anything else.

That may be in some cases. But in others, clearly not (since they've said so here in this forum). I'm only helping out the people who don't want cuz it plays games by pointing out that stand alones play games too like Dragon's Lair -- which is a big, classic arcade game, was on the Amiga, etc. Not many people know that the BD-Java tech enables the creation of these games for stand-alones. Dragon's Lair is available right now. Check out the link. It's an RPG-adventure type game.

People can disagree with you and that is called a "RIGHT". You should be able to respectfully abstain, shut your freaking piehole and accept the difference in opinion like an adult.

That seems ironic of you to say so, if you don't mind my saying so that is.

Stop trying to sell someone on the reasons you think they should have it and simply share the benefits and respect their decision in the end. Isn't that how you would like to be treated?

No. If I said I wanted to buy certain speakers over others because the other ones, I said, did not have good mid-range response, then I would appreciate it if someone pointed out to me that the one's I was wanting to buy also didn't have good mid-range response and so that that's not a reason to not get the other ones.

It's simply amazing how the anonymity of the internet will compel people to argue things that they would never do in person. When you do it in person, face to face, you'll be held accountable for your words, the inflection of those words and your presentation overall. Yeah, it's a little different when you have to argue points in person. I would recommend we all argue as if we were in front of one another because that will force you to be humble and respect each other's differences.

Irony when coupled with your sentence above. Anyway, I thought the thing was that inflection couldn't be discerned through the internet and so the best thing to do was to assume good intentions on the part of the other person. I apologize if I offended you in some manner but I want to assure you I did not mean to put you down in any way.

To the other people who said certain things ... when I said I was going with a 7.0 setup, a few folks kindly urged me to reconsider foregoing the sub. I very much appreciated that advice.

Maybe it was the word "irrational" in the title that led people to think I was putting people down. Sorry if that was the case. In the academic background I have, we use those kinds of words all the time with no disrespect intended. Sometimes I need to remember that when dealing with the hp.

[Octavio]

Fear? what fear?

I just bough a standalone player because when I bought it, the standalone was about 100 bucks cheaper than the PS3, here in my country.

Also because at that time (almost one year ago) I didn't have an A/V receiver with an HDMI input, so the only way to listen hi-def audio for me it was through the multichannel outputs that PS3 doesn't have.

Besides I don't like games, but that wouldn't be a problem if the PS3 would have been cheaper and with 5.1 multichannel outputs.

Now I have a new A/V receiver, an Onkyo 805 But before buying a PS3 I'll wait to see how good are the new stand alone players profile 1.1 and 2.0.

I prefer a standalone over a PS3, but if the first ones aren't at least as good as the PS3, then this christmas I'll buy the game console.

so what fear?

[zor]

I'm just saying not liking games should not be a reason to not get a PS3. I mean if you don't like games then just don't play them! People buy PCs who don't play any games on them. I don't have (not yet anyway) a single game for my PS3. And as I said GAMES are available for stand alones too. Like Dragon's Lair. BD-Java enables complex games like that to play on regular, ordinary stand alones -- any compatibile player will play them.

[zor]

OK. I apologize to anyone who was offended by what I posted. I didn't realize people would be so sensitive. I realize now that my words could be taken to be flippant or otherwise disrespectful and I sincerely apologize for that.

[Nameless Evil]

Originally Posted by Octavio

Fear? what fear?

No fear here either. I also got a stand alone because was more of a bargin than a PS3, and I already had a game console that I am happy with.

The PS3 has a few good exclusive titles, but the 360 has more quantity and variety of titles, so I couldn't justify the expense of nearly double of what I ended up paying for a stand-alone.

[Dace]

I recently switched to the PS3 as my Blu-ray player.
Here my impression:

I would have liked if it bistreamed the audio...but as long as its decoding it and I'm getting the full quality then I am happy.

It works flawlessly with my Harmony remote so thats great (using IR USB adapter)

It loads movies fast

Had no playback issues so far

Its odd shape barely fits within the "rack" shelf's height ...but I accommodated it, so no biggy

And best of all, you pop in the disc and it autoloads. So its as if it was a standalone. No messing with the XMB or even noticing its a computer/gaming machine. Pop it in and the movie starts playing before you even get back to your seat.

I got the 40GB for 359$ which is much less than any stand alone...so I'm SOLD

[Steve01]

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[Aussie Blu]

I showed my 60yr old dad the benefits of Blu and the comparisons with "stand alones" and the PS3, all he had to do was look past the games and he'd have a Blu-ray player with extras that he'd get more bang for your buck value. He's happily enjoying the quality of Blu-Ray and the functionality of PS3, all he did was look past the games.

[Edh63]

Originally Posted by zor

I just don't want anyone to miss out on something so good for all the wrong reasons.



That may be in some cases. But in others, clearly not (since they've said so here in this forum). I'm only helping out the people who don't want cuz it plays games by pointing out that stand alones play games too like Dragon's Lair -- which is a big, classic arcade game, was on the Amiga, etc. Not many people know that the BD-Java tech enables the creation of these games for stand-alones. Dragon's Lair is available right now. Check out the link. It's an RPG-adventure type game.



That seems ironic of you to say so, if you don't mind my saying so that is.



No. If I said I wanted to buy certain speakers over others because the other ones, I said, did not have good mid-range response, then I would appreciate it if someone pointed out to me that the one's I was wanting to buy also didn't have good mid-range response and so that that's not a reason to not get the other ones.



Irony when coupled with your sentence above. Anyway, I thought the thing was that inflection couldn't be discerned through the internet and so the best thing to do was to assume good intentions on the part of the other person. I apologize if I offended you in some manner but I want to assure you I did not mean to put you down in any way.

To the other people who said certain things ... when I said I was going with a 7.0 setup, a few folks kindly urged me to reconsider foregoing the sub. I very much appreciated that advice.

Maybe it was the word "irrational" in the title that led people to think I was putting people down. Sorry if that was the case. In the academic background I have, we use those kinds of words all the time with no disrespect intended. Sometimes I need to remember that when dealing with the hp.

Bro, why would you be so self absorbed to think I was talking to you directly. My comments were a generalization about people trying to sell others on the PS3. That would apply to you and, I'm sure, hundreds of others.

There is no irony in my statement because I'm not advocating one player over another, so don't try and analyze my post and turn it into something it's not. I am simply pointing out the obnoxious generalities of PS3ers as a whole and their constant badgering of others because they haven't or don't want to purchase one. Don't feel too special because this is not about you personally.

My comments on internet posting and inflection also has no irony. It applied directly to those that talk a certain way here and would not handle the same conversation the same way in person. I am not implying that I hold you to a certain standard hear and I myself would not uphold that very standard. If I were in front of you now I would express myself in the same adult, non hostile manner. No irony, just your inability to comprehend and interpret my intentions because of this venue. You want irony, your misinterpretation is exactly what I'm talking about as it relates to internet posting and email. You never quite know the poster's intent because you cannot discern inflection in the voice.

You're obviously a guy that has common sense and decency because you've followed-up with very nicely written posts explaining yourself. Good job on the follow-up.

[MacDaddyOJack]

Originally Posted by STARSCREAM

I own one and love it. My only hang up though is it won't bitstream lossless audio.

Cha-ching! That's the reason I own a stand alone (I also have a PS3 for gaming!) The other main difference is power consumption during a movie. A stand alone is something like 23 watts and the PS3 is well over 100. Not that big of a deal, but it can add up.

[zor]

Originally Posted by MacDaddyOJack

Cha-ching! That's the reason I own a stand alone (I also have a PS3 for gaming!) The other main difference is power consumption during a movie. A stand alone is something like 23 watts and the PS3 is well over 100. Not that big of a deal, but it can add up.

The difference in power consumption can be an issue but it's not cuz of bitstreaming versus PCM. Because, in theory, if less power is used in a player because it is bitstreaming, then everything else being equal, assuming the same efficiencies across the board, you'll just have to end up using more power in the receiver for the receiver to decode. In reality, of course, the PS3 is probably less power efficient as it is not designed solely with video playback in mind. But having a more general purpose processing workup also means, it seems, that it's more stable, more firmware updateable ... just extremely versatile simply as a media player even for strictly video and not even considering MP3s. And the PS3's internals are not as general purpose as say a PC or even an Xbox. The Cell processor has many applications but one of them is in certain graphics-intensive ones.

O and I do want to say as politely as I can that it is IMO a mistake to consider it a mere "toy". If it were a mere "toy" or primarily a "toy" or primarily a "game console" do you really think that the military of the world's sole remaining superpower would have invested in literally hundreds of these as part of their cutting edge research and development? Yes, the US military ordered hundreds of PS3s (40GB models, incidentally) and is using it for military research. Here's a link as probably some won't take my word for it:

http://hushedcasket.com/node/2816

"US military buying 300 PlayStation 3 consoles for research lab project"

This is for the Air Force Research Laboratory and the military stated that the PS3 was the ONLY brand on the market that utilizes the special Cell processor they are interested in at an acceptable cost. And, I don't know if this is related but back in 2006, the DoE ordered a bunch for their purposes (for their project codenamed Roadrunner, it is in phase 1).

Here's a link from an official govt site:

http://www.fbo.gov/spg/USAF/AFMC/AFR...SynopsisP.html

Note the "70" is a classification code. The quantity they are ordering is "300" as both links state. Maybe those who knock the PS3 should call up the US Air Force and tell them it's just a "toy"

[owa]

While I think the issue mostly stems from the results on earlier consoles, it may also seem too complicated to some. A lot of people didn't know how to set the clock on a VCR so the thought of a gaming machine for playback is probably a little intimidating, especially for older folks.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by zor

Some are not open to the PS3 because they say it plays games and want a "stand alone." What diffference does it make? If you don't want to play games, just don't and it functions just the same as a stand alone (except with better MP3 and other media playing capabilities).

Also I have news for all those folks. Guess what? Your stand alone plays games too! First there are both DVD and BD titles that include minigames as a special feature. .... some may say, "O well that's different; those are just minigames." Well, I have some more bad news for you! Guess what? Your stand alone plays whole-disc games too! There are DVD and BD titles that are interactive movies (like Choose your own adventure books or Fighting Fantasy books or even some computer games) ... some may be stubborn and say, "Those are different too; those are not real games like you would see in an arcade for example." O oh, triple whammy! Guess what? Your stand alone plays ARCADE whole disc games too! Such as .... Dragon's Lair which is a game that is in arcades or at least was and was quite popular. It was also on various computer systems (including "game" systems like the Amiga).

Maybe Sony needs to include a Blu-ray edition of the PS3 (or PS4) to attract more buyers

Most people who fear the PS3 are audiophiles. Audiophiles loath MP3's as much as the PS3. What audiophiles also hate is the amount of control the PS3 has - not to mention its inability to bitstream the advanced codecs. You may say "the PS3 already does that for you" and thats the problem. I'm not knocking the PS3, I'm just letting you see the audiophiles point of view - they would like to compare the BD players decoding against the Receivers or Pre/pro, maybe they want a seperate component section and a seperate DAC component (even the new Xonar HDAV 1.3 lets you customize the type of DAC's on the card - they're changeable). Audiophiles like the ability to control as much as possible - it's not just about plug it in and it works - its a hobby, and a hobby is no longer a good hobby when the fun is stripped away.

[prerich]

[QUOTE=Edh63;976692]PS3ers need to stop concerning themselves with the reasons why others don't want one. Why in the world would you care about someone buying a standalone over a PS3? Are you being paid endorsements for your constant badgering and ignorant bantering back and forth?

QUOTE]
You just made a major point with me +1!!!! PS3ers have made the old war about the PS3 and not BD. Now that the "war" is over, they believe everyone owes that victory to the PS3 and should swear alligence to it (like some mark of the beast or something)! There is room for the PS3 and room for Stand-alones, and room for HTPC's - pick what you want.

[RUR]

Originally Posted by zor

....back in 2006, the DoE ordered a bunch for their purposes (for their project codenamed Roadrunner, it is in phase 1).

Not a "codename" per se, simply a working name. Roadrunner is DOE's petraflop supercomputer used to "perform calculations that vastly improve the ability to certify that the U.S. nuclear weapons stockpile is reliable without conducting underground nuclear tests". If it were a codename, there would be no meaningful record of the program available to anyone not "read-on" to the program.

http://www.doe.gov/news/6321.htm

[cruzzer cruz]

Edh63, you make life a little less enjoyable every second.

Go write a novel with all that pent-up writing energy you've got. Jesus.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by RUR

Not a "codename" per se, simply a working name. Roadrunner is DOE's petraflop supercomputer used to "perform calculations that vastly improve the ability to certify that the U.S. nuclear weapons stockpile is reliable without conducting underground nuclear tests". If it were a codename, there would be no meaningful record of the program available to anyone not "read-on" to the program.

http://www.doe.gov/news/6321.htm

You are correct sir,(off subject) did you serve in the military or a civilian contractor?

[zor]

Originally Posted by prerich

Most people who fear the PS3 are audiophiles. Audiophiles loath MP3's as much as the PS3. What audiophiles also hate is the amount of control the PS3 has - not to mention its inability to bitstream the advanced codecs. You may say "the PS3 already does that for you" and thats the problem. I'm not knocking the PS3, I'm just letting you see the audiophiles point of view - they would like to compare the BD players decoding against the Receivers or Pre/pro, maybe they want a seperate component section and a seperate DAC component (even the new Xonar HDAV 1.3 lets you customize the type of DAC's on the card - they're changeable). Audiophiles like the ability to control as much as possible - it's not just about plug it in and it works - its a hobby, and a hobby is no longer a good hobby when the fun is stripped away.

The thing is there shouldn't be any difference in sound quality in terms of player-decoding and receiver-decoding. It's just not possible for there to be any. Any difference that is seen would be unrelated or be due not to decoding as such but "post-processing" where the player or receiver "enhances" the audio beyond what is actually in the track. For the PS3 it is easy for it to be updated to include or include better post-processing. Receivers, not so. So even on this point, if you look at the long term picture, the PS3 is still the way to go. (Post-processing can be done in the player just as much as it can be done in the receiver)

Regarding MP3s, the PS3 plays WMA and AAC as well -- yes these are all lossy formats but the PS3 besides being able to rip @320kbps, is able to play at any bit rate. So for example, I have some MP3s encoded at really high bit rates -- like over 400kpbs and these all play on the PS3 (you have to encode these on your PC of course).

In addition, if you want to aviod lossy formats altogether, then the PS3 can accomodate you. First, it can play CDs but apart from that, it can play WAV files which are uncompressed audio (it's the same as PCM). WAV will take up more space and more space than lossless compression like FLAC, but it still works. (WAV takes up just as much space as what's on the CD -- so if your CD has 500MB of music on it, WAV will take up 500MB on your PS3's harddrive or your flash drive or whatever.

So audiophiles can use WAV on the PS3. Problem solved.

PS True audiophiles would also be excited about BD Profile 3.0 (counterpart to DVD-audio for BD) -- it is almost 100% certain that the PS3 can and will be firmware-updated to play these profile 3.0 discs. Stand-alones on the other hand ... well none of them are being advertised or hinted as being "profile 3.0" ready. Of course profile 3.0 hasn't been implemented yet, but it surely will be ... it's just going to be out of this world what BD 3.0 will do for music listening. It will probably improve sound as much as going from ordinary speakers to super expensive speakers would. Some people have doubts about BD 3.0, but I predict it will be a big hit with enormous potential. It might even sound better than live performances.