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Old 09-29-2014, 11:12 PM   #1001
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Thanks for the help guys.

I'm trying to set up a demo of the Anthem and NAD with my dealer right away, then I'll take my fav of the two and compare with the Arcam at another dealer. I'll let you know what happens!
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Old 09-30-2014, 01:03 AM   #1002
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Thanks for the help guys.

I'm trying to set up a demo of the Anthem and NAD with my dealer right away, then I'll take my fav of the two and compare with the Arcam at another dealer. I'll let you know what happens!
Does your dealer carry both Paradigm and Dynaudio?
Make sure to listen to the 160
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Old 09-30-2014, 01:17 AM   #1003
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Thanks for the help guys.

I'm trying to set up a demo of the Anthem and NAD with my dealer right away, then I'll take my fav of the two and compare with the Arcam at another dealer. I'll let you know what happens!
Sounds like a perfect plan!
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Old 09-30-2014, 02:28 AM   #1004
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First I would like to Thank you both, you're experience and opinion are a big help to me.

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Why not consider a used pair of Focus 110?

What price point can you get the X-16 and DM 2/7 for?
I wish I could find a pair of Focus 110,this was my first intention.
the price difference between the 2/7 and the X16 is almost twice.

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If you're really looking into upgrading and considering the amp you have, have you see these? Hard to refuse for the price.

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/mon...-48085-troy-mi
saw that and it's too much of an upgrade to me for now, I also looking for a DAC upgrade
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Old 09-30-2014, 02:53 AM   #1005
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First I would like to Thank you both, you're experience and opinion are a big help to me.



I wish I could find a pair of Focus 110,this was my first intention.
the price difference between the 2/7 and the X16 is almost twice.



saw that and it's too much of an upgrade to me for now, I also looking for a DAC upgrade
What dac are you using now? what are you looking to go to?

The 2/7s, they'll give you what the 2/6s do, but better bass and a bigger sound.

The X16s will be a little more laid-back and slightly less bass in comparison to the 2/7s. But the X16s will give you a little more mid-range detail, and they'll have a more delicate sound in the highs but still give you good bass. And they look nicer.

what do you think you're going to do?
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What dac are you using now? what are you looking to go to?

The 2/7s, they'll give you what the 2/6s do, but better bass and a bigger sound.

The X16s will be a little more laid-back and slightly less bass in comparison to the 2/7s. But the X16s will give you a little more mid-range detail, and they'll have a more delicate sound in the highs but still give you good bass. And they look nicer.

what do you think you're going to do?
Here is my old X16s and the Naim Nait 5i... fwiw






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Old 09-30-2014, 03:21 AM   #1007
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Steve I do recall those vids but I do not recall the mic that was used, is it the one built into the I-pad?

Sadly the vid does not make them Justice at all.
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Old 09-30-2014, 03:24 AM   #1008
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First I would like to Thank you both, you're experience and opinion are a big help to me.



I wish I could find a pair of Focus 110,this was my first intention.
the price difference between the 2/7 and the X16 is almost twice.



saw that and it's too much of an upgrade to me for now, I also looking for a DAC upgrade
For half the price of the X-16 I think the DM 2/7 are a good bargain. do you mind telling us what the asking price is on the X-16?

It seem to me a bit steep for a discontinued model.
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Old 09-30-2014, 03:27 AM   #1009
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iphone.... very bad mic
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Old 09-30-2014, 03:31 AM   #1010
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iphone.... very bad mic
ok I see now. I mean I know a you tube vid is not the real deal but that mic does not even capture anything close to the low end extension the X-16 are capable of.
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Old 09-30-2014, 03:47 AM   #1011
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ok I see now. I mean I know a you tube vid is not the real deal but that mic does not even capture anything close to the low end extension the X-16 are capable of.
no, they don't. I wish I had a better camera, that is also why you don't see any vids of my 260s, the bass just doesn't show up.

I really do want to buy a pair of the X16s in gloss white... I had so much simple enjoyment of them it was great. I know that some people say the Excites aren't exciting, and yes the Focus has more sparkle, but the beauty of the Excites was their overall warm rich character and balance of sound, however I would have loved for them to look like the new excites. I think the newer Excites will sound closer to the Focus.
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no, they don't. I wish I had a better camera, that is also why you don't see any vids of my 260s, the bass just doesn't show up.

I really do want to buy a pair of the X16s in gloss white... I had so much simple enjoyment of them it was great. I know that some people say the Excites aren't exciting, and yes the Focus has more sparkle, but the beauty of the Excites was their overall warm rich character and balance of sound, however I would have loved for them to look like the new excites. I think the newer Excites will sound closer to the Focus.
What if you found some X-12 in gloss white?
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Old 09-30-2014, 04:15 AM   #1013
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What if you found some X-12 in gloss white?
possibly, but I think Id rather just have that extra touch of bass... (slow bass apparently )
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Old 10-01-2014, 07:05 AM   #1014
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What dac are you using now? what are you looking to go to?

The 2/7s, they'll give you what the 2/6s do, but better bass and a bigger sound.

The X16s will be a little more laid-back and slightly less bass in comparison to the 2/7s. But the X16s will give you a little more mid-range detail, and they'll have a more delicate sound in the highs but still give you good bass. And they look nicer.

what do you think you're going to do?
even tough I like the looks and finish of the X16 a lot more than the 2/7 looks it feels like that the 2/7 will fit better to my "heavy" music preferences and me and my wife's listening habits
Please correct me if I'm wrong?


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For half the price of the X-16 I think the DM 2/7 are a good bargain. do you mind telling us what the asking price is on the X-16?

It seem to me a bit steep for a discontinued model.
The price in China (I'm not Chinese ) for the X16 is 1465 USD, the 2/7 is 800 USD, almost half of the X16.
the Focus 160 I can get for 1900 usd in Hong Kong
Today I've found that I can get a new in a sealed box Focus 110 in maple for 1450 usd.

at the moment I'm using a cheap Chinese (but very surprising) MUSE PCM1793 DAC for my Squeezebox and my Marantz NR1604 internal dac for my Gigabyte Brix I5 htpc/music server.
I'm considering the Teac UD-501/301, Arcam irdac, Micromega Mydac( a cheap but highly rated), Halide DS, NAD D1050.
The new Dac will be connected directly to my Naim xs2.
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Old 10-01-2014, 02:09 PM   #1015
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even tough I like the looks and finish of the X16 a lot more than the 2/7 looks it feels like that the 2/7 will fit better to my "heavy" music preferences and me and my wife's listening habits
Please correct me if I'm wrong?




The price in China (I'm not Chinese ) for the X16 is 1465 USD, the 2/7 is 800 USD, almost half of the X16.
the Focus 160 I can get for 1900 usd in Hong Kong
Today I've found that I can get a new in a sealed box Focus 110 in maple for 1450 usd.

at the moment I'm using a cheap Chinese (but very surprising) MUSE PCM1793 DAC for my Squeezebox and my Marantz NR1604 internal dac for my Gigabyte Brix I5 htpc/music server.
I'm considering the Teac UD-501/301, Arcam irdac, Micromega Mydac( a cheap but highly rated), Halide DS, NAD D1050.
The new Dac will be connected directly to my Naim xs2.
Go for the 110s although it sounds like you don't like the maple color, they'll make you happy musically. Those have some punch too! Personally I listen to a lot of alt rock and the X16s seemed up to the task for me. I've heard/owned the naim/arcam/Dyn combo and it was very good. Can't help with any of the other dacs.
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even tough I like the looks and finish of the X16 a lot more than the 2/7 looks it feels like that the 2/7 will fit better to my "heavy" music preferences and me and my wife's listening habits
Please correct me if I'm wrong?




The price in China (I'm not Chinese ) for the X16 is 1465 USD, the 2/7 is 800 USD, almost half of the X16.
the Focus 160 I can get for 1900 usd in Hong Kong
Today I've found that I can get a new in a sealed box Focus 110 in maple for 1450 usd.

at the moment I'm using a cheap Chinese (but very surprising) MUSE PCM1793 DAC for my Squeezebox and my Marantz NR1604 internal dac for my Gigabyte Brix I5 htpc/music server.
I'm considering the Teac UD-501/301, Arcam irdac, Micromega Mydac( a cheap but highly rated), Halide DS, NAD D1050.
The new Dac will be connected directly to my Naim xs2.
The PCM1793 is not a bad DAC at all (my Asus uses the 1792A). As a matter of fact it's an excellent Burr-Brown DAC. The Mydac is an entry level product, but performs very well. I believe the Teac UD-501 is a better unit (DSD and 384khz playback), that's if you must upgrade your DAC. When it comes to DACs remember one word....implementation. Your Muse unit is using the OPA2134 Burr Brown op-amp along with the Burr-Brown 1793 dac chip. That's a good combo there.

You mentioned a Brix HTPC, if you had a Gigabyte amp-up based motherboard HTPC I'd suggest swapping the op amp on the motherboard (going directly from the Brix to the Naim - skipping the external dac)- but the Brix is an all in one unit.
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Old 10-01-2014, 03:56 PM   #1017
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even tough I like the looks and finish of the X16 a lot more than the 2/7 looks it feels like that the 2/7 will fit better to my "heavy" music preferences and me and my wife's listening habits
Please correct me if I'm wrong?




The price in China (I'm not Chinese ) for the X16 is 1465 USD, the 2/7 is 800 USD, almost half of the X16.
the Focus 160 I can get for 1900 usd in Hong Kong
Today I've found that I can get a new in a sealed box Focus 110 in maple for 1450 usd.

at the moment I'm using a cheap Chinese (but very surprising) MUSE PCM1793 DAC for my Squeezebox and my Marantz NR1604 internal dac for my Gigabyte Brix I5 htpc/music server.
I'm considering the Teac UD-501/301, Arcam irdac, Micromega Mydac( a cheap but highly rated), Halide DS, NAD D1050.
The new Dac will be connected directly to my Naim xs2.

Still but man the speaker is discontinued, and it was 1600 USD in the US I believe Callas could correct me, at that price I would go for the Focus. If you look at saving money anyways the DM 2/7 will make you happy I am sure, I only heard the 3/7 from the DM line but they sound pretty good. Price to performance ration you can't go wrong with the DMs.
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Old 10-02-2014, 07:10 PM   #1018
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Hey guys, just wanted to update you.

Had a listen to Anthem Mrx 310 and Marantz 6008. Liked the Anthem more. Marantz was nice but a little too smooth and polite I guess you could say. Anthem had more punch and attack, but still refined and a nice rich midrange detail over the Marantz. Then I listened to NAD 748 and preferred it to Marantz, but still liked the Anthem a bit more, but it was close. NAD was smooth, still decent detail with a nice big soundstage and quite neutral like Anthem but again Anthem had more attack and I preferred it's midrange detail to Nad's.

Now to borrow an Anthem and take it to my Arcam dealer. All demos were on Paradigm Studio 20's and the Arcam dealer also carries Paradigm too!!
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Hey guys, just wanted to update you.

Had a listen to Anthem Mrx 310 and Marantz 6008. Liked the Anthem more. Marantz was nice but a little too smooth and polite I guess you could say. Anthem had more punch and attack, but still refined and a nice rich midrange detail over the Marantz. Then I listened to NAD 748 and preferred it to Marantz, but still liked the Anthem a bit more, but it was close. NAD was smooth, still decent detail with a nice big soundstage and quite neutral like Anthem but again Anthem had more attack and I preferred it's midrange detail to Nad's.

Now to borrow an Anthem and take it to my Arcam dealer. All demos were on Paradigm Studio 20's and the Arcam dealer also carries Paradigm too!!
Look I will say this, the Arcam should sound ballsy and should give you tremendous details and amazing musicality, I think you'll be in for a treat.
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Thanks BigAl, I'm pretty excited to hear it next.

By the way, do you know if there is there much difference in the internal components between the avr380 and the 450/750? I know the amp in the 750 is class G rail switching, but is there anything else different in them over the 380, besides the power supply and wattage?
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