The Official Dynaudio Speakers Thread

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by Twm1988

Thanks BigAl, I'm pretty excited to hear it next.

By the way, do you know if there is there much difference in the internal components between the avr380 and the 450/750? I know the amp in the 750 is class G rail switching, but is there anything else different in them over the 380, besides the power supply and wattage?

This would be a good question to ask Arcam, I have not not enough knowledge of the AVR450 and AVR750 to tell you the truth, I am more familiar with their predecessors, the 360, 400, 500 and 600.

From what I can recall the both are AB class amps, the 450 is a little more powerful and includes a few more features, not sure it worth going for the Digital Audio Broadcasting which is not even used in the US and Canada.

[rded]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

This would be a good question to ask Arcam, I have not not enough knowledge of the AVR450 and AVR750 to tell you the truth, I am more familiar with their predecessors, the 360, 400, 500 and 600.

Olivia-When are you buying an SN2 with HC2?

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by rded

Olivia-When are you buying an SN2 with HC2?

Hold on there the HC2 might never Happen, I am also considering the Sugden Masterclass IA4 as an option to the SN2

[rded]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Hold on there the HC2 might never Happen, I am also considering the Sugden Masterclass IA4 as an option to the SN2

Not familiar with the sugden. If ever, you gotta get the HC2 with the SN2. They go together like peanut butter and jelly!

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by rded

Not familiar with the sugden. If ever, you gotta get the HC2 with the SN2. They go together like peanut butter and jelly!

Yeah but how much is the HI-cap 2 running for? You know my original plan was XS with flatcap. I said why not just go strait for the SN 2?

I am not driving 40K speaker

This is 33wpc pure class A Amp. This was driving the Forest Signatures at the show in Montreal.

MVI_1185 - YouTube

[rded]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Yeah but how much is the HI-cap 2 running for? You know my original plan was XS with flatcap. I said why not just go strait for the SN 2?

I am not driving 40K speaker

This is 33wpc pure class A Amp. This was driving the Forest Signatures at the show in Montreal.

Not sure about the price of the HC, really. But it's probably around 3k.

With your analogy, I should be driving 40k speakers with higher priced IAs or even separates. IDK why I've always been a fan of IAs but just to spite you, I might just get the Soulution 530 IA.

Class A amps are always good. Not sure how loud you really listen but if those sugdens paired adequately with the forest sigs, then go for it!

Will be going to RMAF next week and will be looking out for the sugdens amo g others.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by rded

Not sure about the price of the HC, really. But it's probably around 3k.

With your analogy, I should be driving 40k speakers with higher priced IAs or even separates. IDK why I've always been a fan of IAs but just to spite you, I might just get the Soulution 530 IA.

Class A amps are always good. Not sure how loud you really listen but if those sugdens paired adequately with the forest sigs, then go for it!

Will be going to RMAF next week and will be looking out for the sugdens amo g others.

Look at their website to see if sugden is represented. Lucky you I have to wait until April for Montreal. That amp gets plenty loud for the Sigs and my room size, it would be hard to drive Mani-2 or Winds with that amp.

What I am saying is basically I don't need to spend even more money on a Hi-CAP as I am not driving Raidhos, since I would like my amp to be future upgrade proof then I might go the SN-2, would give we some latitude on future speaker upgrade if ever I upgrade plus I will be able to upgrade the PSU.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Yeah but how much is the HI-cap 2 running for? You know my original plan was XS with flatcap. I said why not just go strait for the SN 2?

I am not driving 40K speaker

This is 33wpc pure class A Amp. This was driving the Forest Signatures at the show in Montreal.

MVI_1185 - YouTube

Nice sample video Olivier. Sounds like a really wonderful pairing.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by Johnny Vinyl

Nice sample video Olivier. Sounds like a really wonderful pairing.

Look this is a vid I took back at SSI nearly 2 years ago and this combo sold me the idea of upgrading to the Signatures.

[rded]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Look at their website to see if sugden is represented. Lucky you I have to wait until April for Montreal. That amp gets plenty loud for the Sigs and my room size, it would be hard to drive Mani-2 or Winds with that amp.

What I am saying is basically I don't need to spend even more money on a Hi-CAP as I am not driving Raidhos, since I would like my amp to be future upgrade proof then I might go the SN-2, would give we some latitude on future speaker upgrade if ever I upgrade plus I will be able to upgrade the PSU.

Thanks. RMAF has been a long time coming.

Having the option to upgrade the PS has got nothing to do with driving Raidhos or even Magicos for that matter. The point being is that, to get the most out of the SN2, adding the HC2 is the logical choice. If you don't want the temptation of spending more money on a PS, then just get an IA that has a closed design without upgradability option like the Sugden or even Simaudio so you can splurge on speakers down the road.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by rded

Thanks. RMAF has been a long time coming.

Having the option to upgrade the PS has got nothing to do with driving Raidhos or even Magicos for that matter. The point being is that, to get the most out of the SN2, adding the HC2 is the logical choice. If you don't want the temptation of spending more money on a PS, then just get an IA that has a closed design without upgradability option like the Sugden or even Simaudio so you can splurge on speakers down the road.

I know but it is my point, it exactly what you are saying, if you drive a speaker this expensive you want to make sure you squeeze the lemon to it's max with your amp to get the best possible performance as a whole, I am sure my Sigs are not as revealing as your Raidhos, I even saw a vid where the Raidho rep was saying dome tweeters are crap. I know you don't need the hi cap to drive Raindhos but for god sakes for me to spend 10K on my amp while I spend 6K on speakers is complete non sense, hell just getting a SN 2 alone is overkill but I want one

Look if I don't have that flexibility, of upgrading I will still be tempted to change sooner or later. might as well get an SN2 without the hi-cap for now and see where that leads me.

BTW I have not seen Sugden on RMAF website. You can contact Sugden directly by email if you would like to find the nearest dealer.

[rded]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

I know but it is my point, it exactly what you are saying, if you drive a speaker this expensive you want to make sure you squeeze the lemon to it's max with your amp to get the best possible performance as a whole, I am sure my Sigs are not as revealing as your Raidhos, I even saw a vid where the Raidho rep was saying dome tweeters are crap. I know you don't need the hi cap to drive Raindhos but for god sakes for me to spend 10K on my amp while I spend 6K on speakers is complete non sense, hell just getting a SN 2 alone is overkill but I want one

Look if I don't have that flexibility, of upgrading I will still be tempted to change sooner or later. might as well get an SN2 without the hi-cap for now and see where that leads me.

BTW I have not seen Sugden on RMAF website. You can contact Sugden directly by email if you would like to find the nearest dealer.

Nah!! I don't buy that at all. I know somebody that paired his Dynaudio Sapphires with Burmester 911 amp and CDP(which has a preamp section) and it was marvelous. He has Raidho D3s now with the Burmesters and it just simply ridiculous sounding!

The RMAF site is tough to navigate esp with an iphone. I have enough time there to actually look and really listen to the exhibits as I am there for 3 days so I'll keep an eye out for that Sugden.


Whenever you're ready to pull the trigger on the SN2, just let me know.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by rded

Nah!! I don't buy that at all. I know somebody that paired his Dynaudio Sapphires with Burmester 911 amp and CDP(which has a preamp section) and it was marvelous. He has Raidho D3s now with the Burmesters and it just simply ridiculous sounding!

The RMAF site is tough to navigate esp with an iphone. I have enough time there to actually look and really listen to the exhibits as I am there for 3 days so I'll keep an eye out for that Sugden.


Whenever you're ready to pull the trigger on the SN2, just let me know.

we'll see if can pull a rabbit out of your hat

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by rded

Nah!! I don't buy that at all. I know somebody that paired his Dynaudio Sapphires with Burmester 911 amp and CDP(which has a preamp section) and it was marvelous. He has Raidho D3s now with the Burmesters and it just simply ridiculous sounding!

The RMAF site is tough to navigate esp with an iphone. I have enough time there to actually look and really listen to the exhibits as I am there for 3 days so I'll keep an eye out for that Sugden.


Whenever you're ready to pull the trigger on the SN2, just let me know.

Then why did you get a hi-cap if you don't need to pull the maximum out of your SN 2 if it does not do anything in the end?

[rded]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Then why did you get a hi-cap if you don't need to pull the maximum out of your SN 2 if it does not do anything in the end?

You must have pulled that statement out of Steve's ass during one if your kinky orgies since I NEVER said that the HC2 did not make a difference. What I was referring to is that I don't buy was your statement about having a 10k IA and PS powering your 6k speakers! Hence, I gave the example of 60k Burmester stack being paired with a 16k speaker.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by rded

You must have pulled that statement out of Steve's ass during one if your kinky orgies since I NEVER said that the HC2 did not make a difference. What I was referring to is that I don't buy was your statement about having a 10k IA and PS powering your 6k speakers! Hence, I gave the example of 60k Burmester stack being paired with a 16k speaker.

ok nevermind you are really not following my point and not understanding.

If that combo sounds so great then why aren't you driving your Raidhos with 100K stack. I'll get the SN2 and I will have some flexibility later. I'll get the hi-cap if I feel I want one. There is just no rush for me in getting an hi-cap.

Now listen to Raidhos C 1

Raidho Ayra C1 + Electrocompaniet AW180 monoblock - YouTube

[Twm1988]

So late yesterday I finally got in to audition the Arcam 380 to compare with the Anthem. Thankfully they had Paradigm Studio speakers setup and ready to go.

I must say I was honestly surprised by how much I enjoyed the Arcam. It was a nice big soundstage with a basically perfect midrange (beautifully natural and detailed without any coloration) and sweet and airy high frequencies. It's a very natural sound to the whole frequency spectrum and quite precise and quick I guess you could say. Music was amazing, I don't think I've ever heard an AVR produce such a pure musical sound before this. Movies were also excellent, but not quite as amazing as music was. I found it maybe lacked a little bit of punch and authority for the bigger action movies, but subtler details and textures come through much more. The Anthem also has great detail and texture, but not quite the level that the Arcam has. However the Anthem was a bit better with the punch and attack with the big action scenes.

So there are trade-offs with each receiver I guess. For music it's Arcam #1 with Anthem a noticeable bit behind, but not huge. For movies I guess you have to choose between the Arcam's more refined, subtle detail and texture, or the Anthems attack and punch, but loose a little subtlety and refinement.

That said they were both not too far off from one another, but still a noticeable difference in those area's. Its up to each individuals sonic preference I guess to go from there as neither one was a bad choice, just different. I think I may be able to live with a little less punch and attack to get the detail and texture that the Arcam has over the Anthem. I found the Arcam is more true to life sound and the Anthem, while still neutral, had an added punch to it.

The Arcam 380 is $2300 and the MRX 710 is $2100, but the MRX 310 is $1200 and has basically the exact same performance as the MRX 710 with the Energy speakers I will be using for the next while. So I could get away with the 310 from Anthem, but Arcam's entry level AVR380 is still $2300. I just don't know if its worth almost double the price. If the Arcam was around $1500 I would not hesitate, but I think the Anthem is better for the price. I do prefer Arcam soundwise, but pricewise I think the Anthem is a better bang for buck.

I may go back for one more audition yet to make sure, unless I can get an insane deal on the Arcam, I think I will go with the MRX 310 and use the money I save to add a power amp later for more demanding speakers in the future.

[aces high]

Originally Posted by Twm1988

So late yesterday I finally got in to audition the Arcam 380 to compare with the Anthem. Thankfully they had Paradigm Studio speakers setup and ready to go.

I must say I was honestly surprised by how much I enjoyed the Arcam. It was a nice big soundstage with a basically perfect midrange (beautifully natural and detailed without any coloration) and sweet and airy high frequencies. It's a very natural sound to the whole frequency spectrum and quite precise and quick I guess you could say. Music was amazing, I don't think I've ever heard an AVR produce such a pure musical sound before this. Movies were also excellent, but not quite as amazing as music was. I found it maybe lacked a little bit of punch and authority for the bigger action movies, but subtler details and textures come through much more. The Anthem also has great detail and texture, but not quite the level that the Arcam has. However the Anthem was a bit better with the punch and attack with the big action scenes.

So there are trade-offs with each receiver I guess. For music it's Arcam #1 with Anthem a noticeable bit behind, but not huge. For movies I guess you have to choose between the Arcam's more refined, subtle detail and texture, or the Anthems attack and punch, but loose a little subtlety and refinement.

That said they were both not too far off from one another, but still a noticeable difference in those area's. Its up to each individuals sonic preference I guess to go from there as neither one was a bad choice, just different. I think I may be able to live with a little less punch and attack to get the detail and texture that the Arcam has over the Anthem. I found the Arcam is more true to life sound and the Anthem, while still neutral, had an added punch to it.

The Arcam 380 is $2300 and the MRX 710 is $2100, but the MRX 310 is $1200 and has basically the exact same performance as the MRX 710 with the Energy speakers I will be using for the next while. So I could get away with the 310 from Anthem, but Arcam's entry level AVR380 is still $2300. I just don't know if its worth almost double the price. If the Arcam was around $1500 I would not hesitate, but I think the Anthem is better for the price. I do prefer Arcam soundwise, but pricewise I think the Anthem is a better bang for buck.

I may go back for one more audition yet to make sure, unless I can get an insane deal on the Arcam, I think I will go with the MRX 310 and use the money I save to add a power amp later for more demanding speakers in the future.

IIRC Anthem dropped the pre out feature on the entry level avr. ( MRX 310 ) If you want to add an external amp at a later date you'll have to step up to the MRX 510.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by aces high

IIRC Anthem dropped the pre out feature on the entry level avr. ( MRX 310 ) If you want to add an external amp at a later date you'll have to step up to the MRX 510.

It does have pre-outs, 5.1. but they dropped the zone 2 pre-outs, which I think used to be assignable to SBR/SBL... IIRC.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Twm1988

So late yesterday I finally got in to audition the Arcam 380 to compare with the Anthem. Thankfully they had Paradigm Studio speakers setup and ready to go.

I must say I was honestly surprised by how much I enjoyed the Arcam. It was a nice big soundstage with a basically perfect midrange (beautifully natural and detailed without any coloration) and sweet and airy high frequencies. It's a very natural sound to the whole frequency spectrum and quite precise and quick I guess you could say. Music was amazing, I don't think I've ever heard an AVR produce such a pure musical sound before this. Movies were also excellent, but not quite as amazing as music was. I found it maybe lacked a little bit of punch and authority for the bigger action movies, but subtler details and textures come through much more. The Anthem also has great detail and texture, but not quite the level that the Arcam has. However the Anthem was a bit better with the punch and attack with the big action scenes.

So there are trade-offs with each receiver I guess. For music it's Arcam #1 with Anthem a noticeable bit behind, but not huge. For movies I guess you have to choose between the Arcam's more refined, subtle detail and texture, or the Anthems attack and punch, but loose a little subtlety and refinement.

That said they were both not too far off from one another, but still a noticeable difference in those area's. Its up to each individuals sonic preference I guess to go from there as neither one was a bad choice, just different. I think I may be able to live with a little less punch and attack to get the detail and texture that the Arcam has over the Anthem. I found the Arcam is more true to life sound and the Anthem, while still neutral, had an added punch to it.

The Arcam 380 is $2300 and the MRX 710 is $2100, but the MRX 310 is $1200 and has basically the exact same performance as the MRX 710 with the Energy speakers I will be using for the next while. So I could get away with the 310 from Anthem, but Arcam's entry level AVR380 is still $2300. I just don't know if its worth almost double the price. If the Arcam was around $1500 I would not hesitate, but I think the Anthem is better for the price. I do prefer Arcam soundwise, but pricewise I think the Anthem is a better bang for buck.

I may go back for one more audition yet to make sure, unless I can get an insane deal on the Arcam, I think I will go with the MRX 310 and use the money I save to add a power amp later for more demanding speakers in the future.

the question, did you hear the 310? Id make sure they sound the same to you... power wise, I thought the 700 had a Toroidal transformer and the others didn't... ???

did that change?