Schindler's List (1993) (20th Anniversary Limited Edition)

[Vikeologist]

$12.99 at Best Buy right now if you don't already have it!

[filmmusic]

I wanted to ask something:
I want to buy the German Bluray but it has a video bitrate of 23118 kbps.
The US one has 25064 kbps.
Do you think that is a considerable difference?
(the english audios are identical)

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

I wanted to ask something:
I want to buy the German Bluray but it has a video bitrate of 23118 kbps.
The US one has 25064 kbps.
Do you think that is a considerable difference?
(the english audios are identical)

If it matters to you, I believe all non-US BDs of this film have ugly player-generated subtitles, so the disc can be sold in multiple markets, not the original burned-in English ones that should be there.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

If it matters to you, I believe all non-US BDs of this film have ugly player-generated subtitles, so the disc can be sold in multiple markets, not the original burned-in English ones that should be there.

I'm sorry? I didn't understand.
I wanted the German one because it has subtitles in my native language (Greek).
Does the film have burned-in subtitles normally?
I didn't know that.
In what scenes?

edit: Oh, I saw an old post of yours and I understood..
Just checked my SL DVD too,and it is like this, without burned in subtitles. I hadn't realised that, but it's ugly!
Thanks for the warning!
Hmm.. Don't know what to do now. I prefer the film with no alteration whatsoever.
(the Terminator DVD was like this and I didn't like it at all. It was without the burned in text)

By the way, the US BLuray has only English for hearing impaired right? Not regular English too?

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

I'm sorry? I didn't understand.
I wanted the German one because it has subtitles in my native language (Greek).
Does the film have burned-in subtitles normally?
I didn't know that.
In what scenes?

edit: Oh, I saw an old post of yours and I understood..
Just checked my SL DVD too,and it is like this, without burned in subtitles. I hadn't realised that, but it's ugly!
Thanks for the warning!
Hmm.. Don't know what to do now. I prefer the film with no alteration whatsoever.
(the Terminator DVD was like this and I didn't like it at all. It was without the burned in text)

By the way, the US BLuray has only English for hearing impaired right? Not regular English too?

Ah, I assumed you were a native English speaker. It's a compliment to your English then I would only ever want a film as it was exhibited in theaters in whatever country it was made, with burned-in titles.

Universal similarly dropped the burned-in titles on the Bourne movies for the overseas releases - all the titles saying "New York" "Berlin" "Two Weeks Later", etc.

Schindler's List has on-screen text like this as well "Jewish Ghetto - Winter 1943", etc, and as I understand it, those titles are player generated on the overseas discs. That's not as Spielberg intended the film to look.

It's similar to how the American BD of Fritz Lang's METROPOLIS drops the original German intertitles for translated English ones. That's not how the film was made, and is the reason I plan to buy the UK BD of METROPOLIS instead, which maintains the original German intertitles, with English player-generated subtitles.

The American BD of ARGO also drops all the burned-in titles, replacing them with player-generated ones, which really disappointed me.

[Pieter V]

I have the European edition of Schindler's List. The Menu navigation are no icons all text. Only 'Jaws' was an exception in Europe which had the icons as you say.

Also the on-screen texts are on the European editions. Unless you change the subtitles. Subtitle '1' is by default enabled just for the on screen texts. Spoken parts are not subtitled when '1' is enabled. When other subtitles are selected: You will not get the on screen text. Instead you will the description via the subtitles.

It was the same situation with Inglourious Basterds.

In terms of PQ: Rest of the World vs USA. You will not notice a thing.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

I have the European edition of Schindler's List. The Menu navigation are no icons all text. Only 'Jaws' was an exception in Europe which had the icons as you say.

Also the on-screen texts are on the European editions. Unless you change the subtitles. Subtitle '1' is by default enabled just for the on screen texts. Spoken parts are not subtitled when '1' is enabled. When other subtitles are selected: You will not get the on screen text. Instead you will the description via the subtitles.

It was the same situation with Inglourious Basterds.

In terms of PQ: Rest of the World vs USA. You will not notice a thing.

I don't understand.
Those burned in subtitles, are burned on the image!
This is what James is talking about.
Even if you have subtitle 1 as you say, this is a subtitle. This is not a text on the image.

Here it is how it should look:
You can see the burned on the image English text.
(below there are Arabic subtitles. these are removable)


So, is it like this in your disc, with the english text burned on the image?
Or does it appear as a subtitle?

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

Ah, I assumed you were a native English speaker. It's a compliment to your English then I would only ever want a film as it was exhibited in theaters in whatever country it was made, with burned-in titles.

Thanks!
I'm with you here.
I don't want any alteration whatsoever on films!

[Atreyu]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

Thanks!
I'm with you here.
I don't want any alteration whatsoever on films!

Ditto!

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

I don't understand.
Those burned in subtitles, are burned on the image!
This is what James is talking about.
Even if you have subtitle 1 as you say, this is a subtitle. This is not a text on the image.

Here it is how it should look:
You can see the burned on the image English text.
(below there are Arabic subtitles. these are removable)

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So, is it like this in your disc, with the english text burned on the image?
Or does it appear as a subtitle?

Yep, thanks!! Those are the exact kind of burned-in titles I was referring to. As I understand it, the BDs of Schindler's List sold outside the US replace them with player-generated text.

I don't believe any dialogue in Schindler's List is subtitled. As I remember it, the entire film is in English, with only a few words of unsubtitled Polish.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

I don't believe any dialogue in Schindler's List is subtitled. As I remember it, the entire film is in English, with only a few words of unsubtitled Polish.

well, it does say it includes English for hearing impaired.
It's that I understand better reading English subtitles, than trying to catch by ear 100% of what they're saying.
I would prefer though if they were plain English and not hearing impaired, because that means that the audio effects etc. will be there too in parentheses.

So, I'm curious to hear Peter's response about the text/subtitles.
I believe he misunderstood..

[Pieter V]

Captured with Engish HOH subtitles.

[filmmusic]

Thank you.
yes, those seem to be subtitles, not burned on the image.
They are removed when you pick another subtitle option, don't they?

The original film is with the burned on the image text, like the photo I posted, with the specific font and specific formatting of the lines.

[Pieter V]

Yes they will be subtitles. Btw the first picture is with burned in image text.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Yes they will be subtitles. Btw the first picture is with burned in image text.

what do you mean?
that when you pick another subtitle (eg. Greek, Spanish, French etc.), this text remains there in the picture?
So, the only burned-in-text-converted-to-subtitles are the dates?

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

what do you mean?
that when you pick another subtitle (eg. Greek, Spanish, French etc.), this text remains there in the picture?
So, the only burned-in-text-converted-to-subtitles are the dates?

When I change the default subtitle, the burned in image is gone. And will become subtitles:

First picture = default subtitles (only shows description burned text, and will not subtitle any spoken parts)
Second picture = English HOH as example (Burned text will be removed from the screen and becomes subtitles) I tested every subtitles.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

When I change the default subtitle, the burned in image is gone. And will become subtitles:

First picture = default subtitles (only shows description burned text, and will not subtitle any spoken parts)
Second picture = English HOH as example (Burned text will be removed from the screen and becomes subtitles) I tested every subtitles.

Ok, I'm confused now..
If it is like you say,then that means that the film goes back and forth via seamless branching in the scenes where there is a burned-in text.
because burned-in text means this: that it can never be removed! It's one together with the image.

James I would be curious about your US Bluray too.
When you choose the English for Hearing Impaired subtitles, the burned in text disappears?

[filmmusic]

I'm sorry Pieter, but if you could bear with me, could you possibly take a screenshot of that first image you posted, but with a foreign subtitle, to see how it is?

[Pieter V]

It seems to be an Universal Pictures Europe/Rest of World thing. Like I said Inglorious Basterds (2009) also has this.

I have both discs the US disc and the Germany disc (For Extended Scene)

US plays fine with different subtitles
DE doesn't. Removes the text and replaces it by subtitles.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

I have both discs the US disc and the Germany disc (For Extended Scene)

Ok, that's a new one I hear!
The German Bluray has an extended scene?