Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

With CGI there just isn't emotional investment because you know it's not real.

This again?


There is so many CG objects in films these days you have no idea what's real and what's not. Stuff as mundane as a bus stop or an object on a table.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

Right. I still don't think I've looked at an obvious CGI shot like a spaceship and though oh, that looks real. Maybe Gravity.

With CGI there just isn't emotional investment because you know it's not real.

Well I certainly don't look at animatonics and think "real". If anything CGI, when done properly, can make the visual experience seamless. I can never get that from robotics/models/practical effects.
Not saying they are bad, just more prone to taking me out of the visual experience than CGI.
Maybe Episode VII will change that for me?

[mrr1]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Everything not real tends to look very fake...at least to me.

Everything in a movie looks fake to me. The sets, the makeup, the costumes, everything.

But that's what a movie is. It's all fake.

In most cases I appreciate the effort more than effects themselves.

[MechaGodzilla]

I generally agree with the "it's not the tool, it's how you use it" thinking. There are examples of practical effects that look stunning and very believable, and likewise there are examples of CGI you would never suspect were CGI if you didn't know.

I think both the OT and PT have their moments of "this looks obviously fake", like any movie that relies heavily on special effects will have, but when I watch them I don't think about that stuff, I'm just sucked into the story and, like mrr1 said, I respect and appreciate the effort that went into it all even when it isn't 100% convincing.

On this subject, I think the sequel trilogy has the potential to look the best of all of them so far. It seems like they're going for a perfect balance between the techniques used in the OT and PT which, combined with them having the latest in technology at their disposal, should provide stunning results.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

Right. I still don't think I've looked at an obvious CGI shot like a spaceship and though oh, that looks real.

But I guarantee that you've looked at TONS of not-so-obvious CGI shots and never even noticed they were CGI.

It's obvious when it's a spaceship or an alien because you know those things don't exist. But when it's buildings, trees, lakes, street signs or anything that you can see everyday and just assume they shot it with a camera, you're seeing but not noticing a lot of CGI. Check out Argo, or better yet Gone Baby Gone, if you don't believe me.

[Dreamliner330]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

But I guarantee that you've looked at TONS of not-so-obvious CGI shots and never even noticed they were CGI.



It's obvious when it's a spaceship or an alien because you know those things don't exist. But when it's buildings, trees, lakes, street signs or anything that you can see everyday and just assume they shot it with a camera, you're seeing but not noticing a lot of CGI. Check out Argo, or better yet Gone Baby Gone, if you don't believe me.

I agree with that. Sherlock Holmes too (RDJ).

[Ryan0503]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

But I guarantee that you've looked at TONS of not-so-obvious CGI shots and never even noticed they were CGI.

It's obvious when it's a spaceship or an alien because you know those things don't exist. But when it's buildings, trees, lakes, street signs or anything that you can see everyday and just assume they shot it with a camera, you're seeing but not noticing a lot of CGI. Check out Argo, or better yet Gone Baby Gone, if you don't believe me.

I think Dark Knight Rises is a great example of that. Watching the special features, the things you expect to be CGI are actually practical effects and the CGI is just to add the detail.

[Himmel]

Warwick Davis, who played Wicket in "Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi" and also appeared in "Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace," will show up in "Star Wars: Episode VII." The official "Star Wars" YouTube page released a cute video of Davis to announce his return to the franchise, though what role he'll play remains undisclosed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=us0MWzVBnxM

[CinemaBlu]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

That's not a "fake scene," though. That's just changing dialogue.

If it was "just changing dialogue" I would agree with you, but they intentionally shot it with misleading dialogue to keep spoilers from leaking. They shot the scene as Darth Vader revealing that Obi Wan killed Luke's father. That's a fake scene until the dialogue was replaced.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by CinemaBlu

If it was "just changing dialogue" I would agree with you, but they intentionally shot it with misleading dialogue to keep spoilers from leaking. They shot the scene as Darth Vader revealing that Obi Wan killed Luke's father. That's a fake scene until the dialogue was replaced.

Not really. The key personnel knew what the scene was about, but they fed the alternate line to Prowse and had Hamill react like they wanted him to react to the proper line. That way they could keep the secret from Mr Blabbermouth and still play the scene exactly as they wanted - you really think that Luke would've reacted like that had he been told that Obi-Wan had killed his father? Err........nope.

[CinemaBlu]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

you really think that Luke would've reacted like that had he been told that Obi-Wan had killed his father? Err........nope.

If you go back to my earlier post about this scene you'll see that I mentioned that Hamill was in on it. But back to the original point, it's not unheard of that they'd shoot scenes in a misleading way to keep spoilers from leaking.

[djakrse]

Originally Posted by Terminated

Warwick Davis, who played Wicket in "Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi" and also appeared in "Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace," will show up in "Star Wars: Episode VII." The official "Star Wars" YouTube page released a cute video of Davis to announce his return to the franchise, though what role he'll play remains undisclosed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=us0MWzVBnxM

Yay, I've been a fan of his since I saw Willow at the theater. Not so much of Wicket maybe

[NYorker]

I really hope this movie bombs. Probably not, but I hope...

[Optimus]

Originally Posted by NYorker

I really hope this movie bombs. Probably not, but I hope...

Why?

[NYorker]

a) because it shouldn't have been made to begin with (make a movie first - we'll come up with an idea later)
b) because of the director (I just don't trust his filmmaking decisions)
c) from the bits of rumours we've heard so far, they're bringing back way too many characters.
d) I do not want to see Palpatine back; I do not want to see Luke turning to the dark side, which is one of the stupidest ideas out there (the floating hand is another one).
e) The original story has finished. Couldn't they find something else? start with something fresh? it's a large galaxy, you know..
f) because of the other movies that'll follow: Obi-Wan trilogy? a Han Solo movie...really? who cares?? I was perfectly fine not knowing what they did for 20+ years. It was all part of the mystique of the OT. Next thing you know, they'll be making a C3P0/R2D2 'road trip' movie.

[djakrse]

Originally Posted by NYorker

a) because it shouldn't have been made to begin with (make a movie first - we'll come up with an idea later)
b) because of the director (I just don't trust his filmmaking decisions)
c) from the bits of rumours we've heard so far, they're bringing back way too many characters.
d) I do not want to see Palpatine back; I do not want to see Luke turning to the dark side, which is one of the stupidest ideas out there (the floating hand is another one).
e) The original story has finished. Couldn't they find something else? start with something fresh? it's a large galaxy, you know..
f) because of the other movies that'll follow: Obi-Wan trilogy? a Han Solo movie...really? who cares?? I was perfectly fine not knowing what they did for 20+ years. It was all part of the mystique of the OT. Next thing you know, they'll be making a C3P0/R2D2 'road trip' movie.

Why don't you instead hope the movie excels beyond your wildest imagination? Maybe use the force to impart suggestions on those weak-minded fools? Think positive... it's our only hope. And didn't they say Lucas had more story all along, that there actually was a sequel trilogy all along? How can you live not knowing what that story was?

Besides, it's not like if the movie flops, they'll decide not to make anymore and the rights will return to their rightful owner, where things will improve. It would only make the SWU worse.

[chris_sc77]

Very thrilled Warwick is back

[camper]

Originally Posted by chris_sc77

Very thrilled Warwick is back

Hopefully in a real role, and not a "look, we got Warwick!" role.

[klauswhereareyou]

Originally Posted by camper

Hopefully in a real role, and not a "look, we got Warwick!" role.

But I want a "look, we got Warwick!" role. Maybe Han Solo can have the Falcon door slam shut on his leg and Warwick can yell, "You are great" while dressed like an ewok holding a 4 leaf clover.

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by Terminated

Warwick Davis, who played Wicket in "Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi" and also appeared in "Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace," will show up in "Star Wars: Episode VII." The official "Star Wars" YouTube page released a cute video of Davis to announce his return to the franchise, though what role he'll play remains undisclosed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=us0MWzVBnxM

Gotta love him

Great news!