4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I know what he is talking about Anthony. I'm talking about the same thing. Let's say you have a Internet connection but it is a temperamental one. You can download a movie when the connection seems fine and have the peace of mind that you can then enjoy that movie on movie night. Streaming, on the other hand is reliant on the connection for that two hours or whatever. If you suffer a dropout or problem the movie is ruined and you maybe have to try again a different night.

Not really your post was assuming that streaming is the only option, he never said such a thing, he was saying it might be the only virtual option.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by KRW1

That's pretty much where we're heading I think, digitally at least. For the physical collectors there will be 4k bluray et al.

agree

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

Not really your post was assuming that streaming is the only option, he never said such a thing, he was saying it might be the only virtual option.

He was obviously talking the future as digital downloads are not going to disappear overnight. That same future may mean no more optical media. Movie fanatic that I am, I like to know I have a option in the worst case scenario.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Even then, people won't pay £4.99 for a rental. It's a potentially very depressing future for movies and means we are pretty much completely dependant on optical disc to keep going and going.

agree, it is short sighted, but the issue is the movie business has always been that way. It is the fast buck instead of the smart one.

Look at UMD, When Sony launched the PSP it had no other studio support, when they announced some great sales on the very few released titles, all the other studios jumped in to get their share and flooded the market, but people were not willing to spend 20$ for a mediocre copy that only plays on one device (one or two films in a collection was enough in case it is needed), and the support dropped off just as fast as it was gained.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

He was obviously talking the future as digital downloads are not going to disappear overnight. That same future may mean no more optical media. Movie fanatic that I am, I like to know I have a option in the worst case scenario.

They won't be dropping physical media anytime soon, if ever. They want to sell their product worldwide, not just parts of the country with solid internet connections and some places are decades away from having an infrastructure. My Dad, for example, can only get dial up and I'm pretty sure he's not the only one.

Looking at music again, there's never been a better time to collect vinyl records. You get gorgeous editions, with 180g vinyl and all sorts of little extras - The last David Lynch album came with a 7" one sided single with artwork by Lynch etched into one side of it. It's lovely. You do have to pay a premium for it - one album might cost 2 months Spotify sub or something but it's there and available.

I'm kinda hoping 4k will be a similar sort of thing - there won't be as many of us buying it, and it'll be expensive, but we'll be looked after. I'm optimistic anyway.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by KRW1

They won't be dropping physical media anytime soon, if ever. They want to sell their product worldwide, not just parts of the country with solid internet connections and some places are decades away from having an infrastructure. My Dad, for example, can only get dial up and I'm pretty sure he's not the only one.

Looking at music again, there's never been a better time to collect vinyl records. You get gorgeous editions, with 180g vinyl and all sorts of little extras - The last David Lynch album came with a 7" one sided single with artwork by Lynch etched into one side of it. It's lovely. You do have to pay a premium for it - one album might cost 2 months Spotify sub or something but it's there and available.

I'm kinda hoping 4k will be a similar sort of thing - there won't be as many of us buying it, and it'll be expensive, but we'll be looked after. I'm optimistic anyway.

Hope so.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Hope so.

You can rest easy. Noway studios is gonna drop something they earn billions of dollars on and that alone in the US There is also many hollywood directors that love Blu Ray they said so themselves because they love to put audio commetaries on, Extras, deleted scenes so people can see their versions ect.. Its the perfect medium for them

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

He was obviously talking the future as digital downloads are not going to disappear overnight.

over night? probably not , but it could be, like I pointed out before Vudu has already gone from a DL only option to mostly streaming since most players don't have a DL option. It all depends on what people are willing to accept.

That same future may mean no more optical media. Movie fanatic that I am, I like to know I have a option in the worst case scenario.

but that is not a realistic future and even if one day that does happen that will be far, far, far into the future and most likely much farther then the demise of DL (if that happens).

Apple launched iTunes and the ipod in 2001, and people can still buy CDs and even LPs and physical media for music is no where near dead (actually internationally in 2013 physical was still bigger) while now iTunes music sales (and other DL) are on the decline are losing ground to streaming http://www.billboard.com/biz/article...t-time-in-2013

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

over night? probably not , but it could be, like I pointed out before Vudu has already gone from a DL only option to mostly streaming since most players don't have a DL option. It all depends on what people are willing to accept.


but that is not a realistic future and even if one day that does happen that will be far, far, far into the future and most likely much farther then the demise of DL (if that happens).

Apple launched iTunes and the ipod in 2001, and people can still buy CDs and even LPs and physical media for music is no where near dead (actually internationally in 2013 physical was still bigger) while now iTunes music sales (and other DL) are on the decline are losing ground to streaming http://www.billboard.com/biz/article...t-time-in-2013

It's a very real future if some companies continue ignoring bluray for some releases. I am then forced to buy on iTunes, Amazon etc..

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It's a very real future

For you maybe

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

For you maybe

For most of us surely? It's a very real problem if we are not catered to. Titles on Digital HD but not on bluray is only going to piss me off. Many will feel the same way.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

For most of us surely? It's a very real problem if we are not catered to. Titles on Digital HD but not on bluray is only going to piss me off. Many will feel the same way.

Just rest easy That only happens to titles nobody is gonna buy anyway like cancelled shows and such with no ending and some C movies

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by mredman

Just rest easy That only happens to titles nobody is gonna buy anyway like cancelled shows and such with no ending and some C movies

As I said earlier: unpopular titles. But unpopular doesn't mean bad. Everyone should have control over the titles they care about, whether or not many others care about them.

[GenPion]

Originally Posted by KRW1

I'm kinda hoping 4k will be a similar sort of thing - there won't be as many of us buying it, and it'll be expensive, but we'll be looked after. I'm optimistic anyway.

Wait, your actually hoping it will be expensive and not as many people will be buying it?

I hope it becomes a big success so prices go down and we can get more 4K Blu-ray releases and better deals on them.

However, I am worried it will more likely be just a 'niche within a niche' and exist around the lines of what you are suggesting. I know I will want 4K Blu-ray's but let's actually hope it picks up with wide consumer adoption. At least from the same market of people who currently buy Blu-ray releases.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by mredman

Just rest easy That only happens to titles nobody is gonna buy anyway like cancelled shows and such with no ending and some C movies

Really? Let me give you examples.

Borgman DVD but no Bluray in UK
Inside No 9 stream/download no bluray
Miss violence stream/download no bluray
Borderlands stream/download no bluray
The Sacrament stream/download no bluray
We are what we are (remake) stream/download no Bluray
Big bad wolves stream/download no bluray.

All films I wanted on bluray this year. All available in HD in digital storefronts here in the UK.

[Cbeck]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

To me such arguments don't make any sense. I don't know what you use, but do you assume that your device will automatically play and output the 4k content? why is buying an other BD player a bigger deal than buying an other streaming player? And do you assume that the SD or HD copy of a movie you bought on a streaming or DL service will be automatically upgraded to 4K if they have it or would you need to upgrade it just as much as moving from 1080p BD to 4K BD?

What I saying is simply if I am upgrading to a 4K television ( which I would only be doing if there is 4K content available I want to watch. I dont watch television broadcasts, I watch movies.) I find downloading the 4k content and storing it more appealing than adding a new 4k bluray player and yet more discs. I am not ruling it out. It depends on what is available that interests me. I have my doubts 4k bluray would be very popular, but we will see what happens.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Cbeck

What I saying is simply if I am upgrading to a 4K television ( which I would only be doing if there is 4K content available I want to watch. I dont watch television broadcasts, I watch movies.) I find downloading the 4k content and storing it more appealing than adding a new 4k bluray player and yet more discs. I am not ruling it out. It depends on what is available that interests me. I have my doubts 4k bluray would be very popular, but we will see what happens.

A new 4K Blu-ray player will replace your current Blu-ray player. Adding more 4K discs will be no different than adding more regular Blu-ray discs. I don't see why anything would change just because you are switching to 4K.

It just sounds like you are saying you would rather get things digitally, 4K is irrelevant.

[Spike M.]

Unless you have a Thunderbolt or HDMI 2.0 ready computer, you can't display 4K images anyway. Not to put you too off from it, as MiniDisplay can get you to 2.5K, which is still double the resolution of 1080p, so you'd still benefit from a 4K source.

[hajiketobu]

Originally Posted by Spike M.

Unless you have a Thunderbolt or HDMI 2.0 ready computer, you can't display 4K images anyway. Not to put you too off from it, as MiniDisplay can get you to 2.5K, which is still double the resolution of 1080p, so you'd still benefit from a 4K source.

But HDMI 1.4 can display 4K at 24 and 30Hz.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by hajiketobu

But HDMI 1.4 can display 4K at 24 and 30Hz.

But the problem there is that all you are getting is more pixels. HDMI 1.4 can only handle 8 bit colour and Rec. 709 colour space. I don't think it can do 3D at all at 4K. Even HDMI 2.0 has similar problems, there definitely needs to be a new iteration of HDMI in time for the new formats release.