Fantasia / Fantasia 2000 (1940-1999) (Special Edition)

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by that1guypictures

As Ernest said above Fantasia World is likely the bonus materials
for both films featuring a collection of short subjects and behind the scenes info.
In the previous DVD box set the third disc was called Fantasia Legacy.
It also might include the short "One by One." It had an African feel to it, and was based on an abandoned Fantasia 2000 concept if memory serves me correctly. Lion King producers worked on it, with music by Lebo M.

No, I didn't say that Fantasia World was a bonus disc - I think it is a disc that contains Destino and other "Fantasia-esque" shorts like Lorenzo and Little Match Girl. Unlike the Fantasia Legacy, which contained additional bonus features for Fantasia and Fantasia 2000, I think it is going to be its own animal. I expect to see stand-alone 2-disc Blu-Ray releases for Fantasia and Fantasia 2000, or possibly even a three-disc blu set with both films and a third disc for the bonus content, but Fantasia World - that's not the bonus features. That's Destino, the Destino documentary prepared for the aborted "Destino" release two or three years ago, and other short films -- at least, that's my hunch

Not crazy about the title, "Fantasia World", by the way.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Sir Platypus

You people are forgetting a major factor in why it will probably stay censored.

This is DISNEY. Attacking Disney is a great way to get your name out there...It kind of reminds me of Kevin Smith describing Dogma's protesters. As controversy surrounding Dogma started to heat up, Disney dropped it. In a video (I believe it was one of the "An Evening With Kevin Smith" DVDs, but I'm not sure) he mentions how a large percentage of the hate mail and outrage vanished the moment that Disney wasn't distributing.

Exactly.

Disney also made numerous changes to The Princess and the Frog that were ridiculous. They changed the title from The Frog Princess (that would imply that the first black princess was ugly, or something), changed the lead character's name from Maddy (sounds like mammy to someone), and dropped a subplot of her being a maid ( someone was offended by a black woman being a maid).

I actually agree with those changes. 1) The title of The Frog Princess gave away a plot point. 2) Tiana is a more interesting name than Maddy. 3) Tiana works multiple jobs, which establishes her character and endears her to the audience. If she was just a harried maid (heaven forbid in the house of Big Daddy, I shudder at what that would have done to the story), that story point wouldn't have the same impact

Please note that I am completely for restoring the film, simply because I want to see the feature as it was originally intended. I am just presenting the idea in line with decisions the company has faced in the past.

I don't, because Walt was known to have altered his films out of concerns for other people's sensibilities. I don't think Walt would release Fantasia with the Beethoven in the same manner as 1940. He'd probably have the scenes reanimated, like The Three Little Pigs.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by miniroll32

Its only offensive if you go 'looking' for these things.

Hmmm - no, I'm going to have to go with "embarassing display of culturally accepted ethnic stereotypes from the 30's".

Sort of the same way DuckTales: The Movie and Short Circuit contains an embarassing display of a culturally accepted ethnic stereotype from the 80's.

Both are offensive. We pretend we're so "advanced" along these lines, and that the people behind us were primitives, but we're really not so advanced and the people behind us not so primitive. We just shift the ethnicitiy generation to generation and pat ourselves on the back for doing so, not realizing we're trading one ethnic stereotype for another. Watch Apu in the 1st season of The Simpsons. Anyone bat an eye when that show premiered? Apu "evolved" throughout the series, but watch that 1st Season. Enough ethnic jokes that would have made Joe Biden blush.

Who knows - maybe in 20 years, people will look back on Princess and the Frog and the film's depiction of Cajun culture and dialects and view these as an offensive ethnic stereotype. Nobody complaining now...we're so advanced, right?

[Sir Platypus]

RE: The Princess and the Frog changes: I wasn't saying that the story suffered for it, I'm just showing that the reasons behind the changes were silly. As for the maid bit, I assume that it would be in addition to other jobs, as her jobs fit what she aspires to, in a way. (Trying not to accidently spoil anything for those who haven't seen it)

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I actually agree with those changes. 1) The title of The Frog Princess gave away a plot point. 2) Tiana is a more interesting name than Maddy. 3) Tiana works multiple jobs, which establishes her character and endears her to the audience. If she was just a harried maid (heaven forbid in the house of Big Daddy, I shudder at what that would have done to the story), that story point wouldn't have the same impact

And 4) keeping the title of E. Baker's book, as credited (no, it wasn't "based on the fairytale") would've hinted at more restrictions about adaptation and rights--
The title change may still have been about not giving away plot points (and imagined "What about the French?" ), but "distancing" themselves from their source material may have been a factor too.

[drtre81]

Originally Posted by miniroll32

Its only offensive if you go 'looking' for these things. Racism is a product of itself - by highlighting how a persons colour is used, you only segregate those people from the rest of society anyway.

Umm no. But since you do not even live in the u.s. I will give you a pass since you obviously don't know what you're taking about.

[miniroll32]

Whatever, can we not just keep on topic... Anyone heard anything from CES/

[Eidolon]

So is this Fantasia World going to be made avialable as a stand alone release?
I'm happy wiht the DVDs of the two films, and although I love them, dont watch them enough to want to upgrade.
The toher issue is relating to Disney's persistence in region coding, and different content releasing in different countries. They always short-change us here in the UK. I dont buy UK releases of Disney classics as they never include the original mono or stereo tracks, which I'd always rather listen to. This has proven a problem on BD due to the region lock being uncrackable short of my buying a new player in the £300 mark that's chipped.
I can live with buying a regionA release of Fantasia World and waiting until I can get a machine to play it on, but not the expense for a full box set that I'm not going to be able to play for a long time. Disney are highly unlikely to release this title over here, and if they do, a fair bit of content from the rA version will be missing.

[PGW]

Originally Posted by Chiyo_chichi

Seriously thought, censoring history to make it seem nicer. Anyone else find that incredibly disturbing?

Yes.

It's like airbrushing out the cigarette in Paul's hand on The Beatles' "I Want To Hold Your Hand" picture sleeve, or replacing the agents' guns in "E.T." with radios.

The fact that Disney himself would have engaged in such nonsense is no excuse for it happening. Those films are part of history. History shouldn't be changed.

That said, I fully expect Disney to censor "Fantasia." And Disney, in turn, can count on one less sale because of it.

[horseflesh]

Originally Posted by Eidolon

So is this Fantasia World going to be made avialable as a stand alone release?
I'm happy wiht the DVDs of the two films, and although I love them, dont watch them enough to want to upgrade.
The toher issue is relating to Disney's persistence in region coding, and different content releasing in different countries. They always short-change us here in the UK. I dont buy UK releases of Disney classics as they never include the original mono or stereo tracks, which I'd always rather listen to. This has proven a problem on BD due to the region lock being uncrackable short of my buying a new player in the £300 mark that's chipped.
I can live with buying a regionA release of Fantasia World and waiting until I can get a machine to play it on, but not the expense for a full box set that I'm not going to be able to play for a long time. Disney are highly unlikely to release this title over here, and if they do, a fair bit of content from the rA version will be missing.

I read that HMV are selling a region-free BD player for £49.99

[Eidolon]

not a good one.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by PGW

That said, I fully expect Disney to censor "Fantasia." And Disney, in turn, can count on one less sale because of it.

One more copy on the shelves for me...

[PowellPressburger]

I've made my peace for years and years that Fantasia would never be restored to an uncut version. It would be cool to get the footage reinstated etc... and would be a great bonus but I am all for purchasing the set when it comes out.

I think the coolest thing for the release is if they could also let you choose the Irwin Kostal recording also for Fantasia

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

I think the coolest thing for the release is if they could also let you choose the Irwin Kostal recording also for Fantasia

I agree.

[Arkadin]

I also don't understand why anyone cares one bit what "label" these releases are given.
Does anybody really think that the video of say "Dumbo" will be redone when it gets released as a "diamond" title?
I don't think so.
what about "Sleeping Beauty"?
is disney going to re-restore it in 5 years?
uhh highly doubtful.

[that1guystudios]

Originally Posted by Arkadin

I also don't understand why anyone cares one bit what "label" these releases are given.
Does anybody really think that the video of say "Dumbo" will be redone when it gets released as a "diamond" title?
I don't think so.
what about "Sleeping Beauty"?
is disney going to re-restore it in 5 years?
uhh highly doubtful.

I don't care about the labels either. However, with the exception of the fully digital-to-digital titles, the upgrade from standard to platinum to diamond has made for vast improvements on Snow White. Pinocchio and all the other Platinum editions were upgraded, and it stands to reason that all the other titles released as Platinums will be re-restored for the Blu-ray Diamond editions. Dumbo though never in the Platinum line when released in March will be the newest restoration that was only recently completed by DTS/Lowry images. Disney in it's quest for quality will be restoring all films released to Blu-ray to the best of their financial abilities. Disney takes care of it's past films, something I am very thankful for.

As for Sleeping Beauty and Pinocchio, these were done at high resolutions, but they could probably do even better 3-4 years from now with advances in restoration technology. Or perhaps they will just be re-issues with new features. Who knows.

I would also venture a guess that when Sleeping Beauty and Pinocchio are re-released later on Blu-ray, 3-D releases might possibly be created, and that the entire restoration process would be done at a higher resolution (Scanned and restored at 4k, 6k or 8k for example.) Either way,

[that1guystudios]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I agree.

+1 Also.

[that1guystudios]

Originally Posted by Eidolon

So is this Fantasia World going to be made avialable as a stand alone release?
I'm happy wiht the DVDs of the two films, and although I love them, dont watch them enough to want to upgrade.
The toher issue is relating to Disney's persistence in region coding, and different content releasing in different countries. They always short-change us here in the UK. I dont buy UK releases of Disney classics as they never include the original mono or stereo tracks, which I'd always rather listen to. This has proven a problem on BD due to the region lock being uncrackable short of my buying a new player in the £300 mark that's chipped.
I can live with buying a regionA release of Fantasia World and waiting until I can get a machine to play it on, but not the expense for a full box set that I'm not going to be able to play for a long time. Disney are highly unlikely to release this title over here, and if they do, a fair bit of content from the rA version will be missing.

It is unknown when and how Fantasia, Fantasia 2000 and Fantasia world will be released. It could be a box set that includes all three, or possibly, Fantasia will come with Fantasia World, and Fantasia 2000 will be sold seperately. It could be that Fantasia World is a fancy name for the 2 bonus discs that would accompany each title....it's not officially announced yet. We should find out shortly though!

[that1guystudios]

Originally Posted by miniroll32

Whatever, can we not just keep on topic... Anyone heard anything from CES/

Unfortunately no CES announcement. My understanding is that Disney wants to really milk each individual release with it's own press release, and that a LOT of shifting of major titles have been done within the last few months.
With that said we should see a brief announcement here in the next week or so that outlines most of the titles we have heard about before (no major surprises if you read the rumors that go around) in addition to a few strong catalog titles from Buena Vista/Disney like Armageddon.

Disney wants to release a lot of titles but not oversaturate the Blu-ray market at the same time. If you release too many titles at once, they don't sell as well as they do if each one is given it's own marketing campain. I don't like it, but it's how they do things. Disney's stance is that the Blu-ray format is going to be around for a WHILE, so they aren't going to push out all the titles at once.

[Ernest Rister]

Dumbo though never in the Platinum line when released in March will be the newest restoration that was only recently completed by DTS/Lowry images. Disney in it's quest for quality will be restoring all films released to Blu-ray to the best of their financial abilities.

The downside is that they've replaced the incredible John Canemaker (NYU Animation film prfoessor) commentary track with a new Pete Docter track - not saying the Docter track is bad (because I obviously haven't heard it), but the Canemaker track was like sitting in on an NYU animation history class. It was a joy. Don't throw away your old 60th anniversary discs just yet...