Blues Brothers on Blu-ray, finally!

[davcole]

Originally Posted by retablo

I still want to hear from all the people up in arms about the fact tat the video is ALWAYS compressed, yet people have no problems with the PQ. Would uncompressed video look better? Probably! So its sorta funny when people complain about the audio being compressed. Just sayin.

When there is a format that can release lossless video (not available on the consumer market), then lossless video would become the standard and nothing less would be acceptable. However since it theoretically doesn't exist in the consumer market, we have to accept lossy video, but compressed at the highest quality level.

We do however have capability for lossless audio on the consumer level. That is the standard and for some studio in 2011 to come out with a major catalog release in lossy audio is not only given the consumer a half-assed product, but a major fail!

[notops]

Originally Posted by stevezissou

I didn't attack anyone.

We are discussing audio, his argument about video was totally irrelevant and I pointed that out and gave my reasoning.

How was my post not INFORMED? Please point out how my post was wrong.

Otherwise you are wasting everyone's time without adding anything to the discussion losing your credibility.

Never said your post wasn't informed. I capitalized that word because retablo has a history of knowing what he/she is talking about. That had nothing to do with you.

You attacked retablo ("troll") even though he/she wasn't even talking to or about you. Earlier in the day, retablo posted a similar statement and was giving a follow-up thought. Like it or not, you don't get to control the discussion.

My point was and still is that you called someone a troll for no good reason, seemingly because you don't like their views on people's reaction to Universal's decision to go lossy on this title. But, hey, keep up the name calling...

[davcole]

I'm sorry, but I am so majorly disappointed in the news of a lossy-DTS track!

Fact is I've been in this hobby since 2008 and remember the days when lossless audio was hit or miss. In fact, it seemed Warner and Paramount were the last of the majors to start using lossless audio on their BD releases. After they converted, you would see lossless releases on every title and you didn't have to worry when you pre-ordered you were going to get a lossless track.

This move by Universal is all the more disappointing, as they launched DTSMA out of the BD gate on ALL their titles. In fact, the studio had become my favorite BD release studio as their titles would normally feature not only lossless audio, but alternate cuts of films, pip, U-Control features and a host of extras the other studios normally would not do. While their output was never on the same level of the other studios, there were some things you could count on a Universal release.

That's why this move with BLUES BROTHERS is so bitterly disappointing!! Why would you chose a musical (yes, it's a musical) film to go lossy? Is this lossy a new trend for Universal given this and UNCLE BUCK?? If so, this is extremely disappointing for not only these releases, but for any future Universal releases. I mean even Warner got the message?

As much as I love this film and have been awaiting it coming to Bluray, I'll pass till it's in the $10 discount bin.

[stevezissou]

Originally Posted by notops

Never said your post wasn't informed. I capitalized that word because retablo has a history of knowing what he/she is talking about. That had nothing to do with you.

You attacked retablo ("troll") even though he/she wasn't even talking to or about you. Earlier in the day, retablo posted a similar statement and was giving a follow-up thought. Like it or not, you don't get to control the discussion.

My point was and still is that you called someone a troll for no good reason, seemingly because you don't like their views on people's reaction to Universal's decision to go lossy on this title. But, hey, keep up the name calling...

Said it was a troll post not calling the poster a troll.

We are discussing audio he comes in and tries to change the discussion to a totally irrelevant and pointless topic.

I called it a troll post what would you call it? A distraction or dodge post? Fine it was a distraction/dodge/off topic post now lets get back to the discussion and all be friends.

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by retablo

I still want to hear from all the people up in arms about the fact tat the video is ALWAYS compressed, yet people have no problems with the PQ. Would uncompressed video look better? Probably! So its sorta funny when people complain about the audio being compressed. Just sayin.

It's not funny at all. Some people have better eyes and or ears then others. So for those who have really good hearing, like myself, I can understand the issue. Considering there's a lot of great music in the movie, it makes sense. Universal's descision certainly isn't the best. As much as I enjoy lossless movie audio, personally I find it far less sonic then DVD-A'a or SACD's, which still sound worlds better to me.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by stevezissou

Subtle troll dodge post.

1080p is the best in video we can get right now. I think maybe 1 or 2 sets if any have 4K resolution, few receivers can process it and can blu-ray players even support video output of greater than 1080p?

Long story short 1080p is not cinema resolution but it is the best available right now on the consumer market.

Lossless audio codecs ARE the best available to the consumer market right now.

We expect the BEST available to the consumer market, so your argument that the video is compressed is invalid and totally irrelevant.

LOL TROLL.

My point is that the video COULD be better... but people still but COMPRESSED video. If you only buy lossless, then you shouldn't buy anything at all.

Now I'm not condoning lossy soundtracks, but I'll take the reviewers stance that it sounded good for lossy, and even he couldn't tell until he checked the specs. Perhaps there was a reason for including it that way. Who knows.

People should step back before inciting riots without even sampling the discs, because it might just be really good after all.

Originally Posted by stevezissou

Said it was a troll post not calling the poster a troll.

We are discussing audio he comes in and tries to change the discussion to a totally irrelevant and pointless topic.

I called it a troll post what would you call it? A distraction or dodge post? Fine it was a distraction/dodge/off topic post now lets get back to the discussion and all be friends.

And whats wrong with asking a simple question? Maybe you are upset because you really have NO answer for it, and can't really defend accepting lossy video but not audio.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by retablo

LOL TROLL.

My point is that the video COULD be better... but people still but COMPRESSED video. If you only buy lossless, then you shouldn't buy anything at all.

Now I'm not condoning lossy soundtracks, but I'll take the reviewers stance that it sounded good for lossy, and even he couldn't tell until he checked the specs. Perhaps there was a reason for including it that way. Who knows.

People should step back before inciting riots without even sampling the discs, because it might just be really good after all.



And whats wrong with asking a simple question? Maybe you are upset because you really have NO answer for it, and can't really defend accepting lossy video but not audio.

So I should stick to my PCM Laserdiscs is what you are saying?

[stevezissou]

Originally Posted by retablo

LOL TROLL.

My point is that the video COULD be better... but people still but COMPRESSED video. If you only buy lossless, then you shouldn't buy anything at all.

Now I'm not condoning lossy soundtracks, but I'll take the reviewers stance that it sounded good for lossy, and even he couldn't tell until he checked the specs. Perhaps there was a reason for including it that way. Who knows.

People should step back before inciting riots without even sampling the discs, because it might just be really good after all.



And whats wrong with asking a simple question? Maybe you are upset because you really have NO answer for it, and can't really defend accepting lossy video but not audio.

I can defend it pretty simple.

1080p is the best available on the consumer market.

That is why people have no problem with compressed video. Why complain about something that you can't change?

Lossless audio is the best available and when studios give us lossy audio we have every right to complain because it is NOT the best on the consumer market.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by stevezissou

I can defend it pretty simple.

1080p is the best available on the consumer market.

That is why people have no problem with compressed video. Why complain about something that you can't change?

Lossless audio is the best available and when studios give us lossy audio we have every right to complain because it is NOT the best on the consumer market.

Laserdiscs were uncompressed (and I know they aren't HD), so I'm sure there's a way (on a larger format) to do an uncompressed HD image. Just because they don't have it out doesn't mean it CAN'T be done.

Point is, you're fine with it as long as its the best "available"? That sounds like a compromise to me. Why not fight for more, if its such a crusade?

Maybe buy actual 35mm prints?

[stevezissou]

Originally Posted by retablo

Laserdiscs were uncompressed (and I know they aren't HD), so I'm sure there's a way (on a larger format) to do an uncompressed HD image. Just because they don't have it out doesn't mean it CAN'T be done.

Point is, you're fine with it as long as its the best "available"? That sounds like a compromise to me. Why not fight for more, if its such a crusade?

Maybe buy actual 35mm prints?

Yea because 35mm prints and 100,000 grand plus projectors are available in the consumer market.

[madlost1]

Originally Posted by stevezissou

Yea because 35mm prints and 100,000 grand plus projectors are available in the consumer market.

It was a joke and a slight crack at people that want perfection. It apparently went way over your head.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by retablo

And whats wrong with asking a simple question? Maybe you are upset because you really have NO answer for it, and can't really defend accepting lossy video but not audio.

Of course there's an answer: lossless video is completely impractical given currrent technology. Not only is lossless audio practical, there's rarely a clear reason to not use it.

I'm hardly an audio purist but it really is hard to understand some of the decisions studios make regarding audio.

[The Duke]

Originally Posted by stevezissou

I can defend it pretty simple.

1080p is the best available on the consumer market.

That is why people have no problem with compressed video. Why complain about something that you can't change?

Lossless audio is the best available and when studios give us lossy audio we have every right to complain because it is NOT the best on the consumer market.

Well, at least it doesn't have a green tint to it.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by retablo

Laserdiscs were uncompressed (and I know they aren't HD), so I'm sure there's a way (on a larger format) to do an uncompressed HD image. Just because they don't have it out doesn't mean it CAN'T be done.

Point is, you're fine with it as long as its the best "available"? That sounds like a compromise to me. Why not fight for more, if its such a crusade?

Maybe buy actual 35mm prints?

Yeah, a 4K physical format. I've been wanting that for a few years.

[rickah88]

How about this: The people that like this movie enough to buy it with lossy, go ahead and be happy(I will be one of those)
Then all those who think it should be lossless(and I DO agree), just hold off for a discounted price or ignore it all together.
Also all in the latter group could wait and see if Universal issues some sort of explanation before slamming this release too harshly. Perhaps they had a good reason...although I can't imagine what.

Did I do a good enough job straddling the fence?

[madlost1]

Originally Posted by rickah88

How about this: The people that like this movie enough to buy it with lossy, go ahead and be happy(I will be one of those)
Then all those who think it should be lossless(and I DO agree), just hold off for a discounted price or ignore it all together.
Also all in the latter group could wait and see if Universal issues some sort of explanation before slamming this release too harshly. Perhaps they had a good reason...although I can't imagine what.

Did I do a good enough job straddling the fence?

Looks good to me.

[Grand Bob]

I just read Ken's excellent review and was glad to hear that Universal gave this title a good treatment. It is one of my five favorite movies.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by rickah88

How about this: The people that like this movie enough to buy it with lossy, go ahead and be happy(I will be one of those)
Then all those who think it should be lossless(and I DO agree), just hold off for a discounted price or ignore it all together.
Also all in the latter group could wait and see if Universal issues some sort of explanation before slamming this release too harshly. Perhaps they had a good reason...although I can't imagine what.

Did I do a good enough job straddling the fence?

Well said.

[KilloWertz]

Originally Posted by 42041

And I'm happy that people complain. There is no good reason to not have a lossless audio track on any blu-ray. It's unfortunate that studios have conditioned people to expect gross incompetence and laziness so much that even a merely average quality disc like this one from Universal is miraculous.

That's a major issue right there. This isn't merely an average disc based on what was said in the review, which is likely pretty accurate. The PQ is really good and even though the audio is lossy, it is still solid as well. How does that equal an average disc? It blows away every other release of this movie as far as PQ goes, and even in lossy form, the audio would likely beat every other release of this too.

I can understand some people waiting for it to go on sale if that is what they choose, but to act like a disc that blows every other release of this movie out of the water isn't worth owning just because it doesn't have lossy audio is just silly. I'm sorry, but it is.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by killowertz

That's a major issue right there. This isn't merely an average disc based on what was said in the review, which is likely pretty accurate. The PQ is really good and even though the audio is lossy, it is still solid as well. How does that equal an average disc? It blows away every other release of this movie as far as PQ goes, and even in lossy form, the audio would likely beat every other release of this too.

I can understand some people waiting for it to go on sale if that is what they choose, but to act like a disc that blows every other release of this movie out of the water isn't worth owning just because it doesn't have lossy audio is just silly. I'm sorry, but it is.

It's not going to stop me from buying it. This is Ackroyd's best film after Ghostbusters IMHO.