Pro amps officially better than consumer amps!

[prerich]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Some amplifiers have knobs that control the amplifier’s input sensitivity. When the knob is turned clockwise, the sensitivity will increase. Turning the control counter-clockwise will decrease sensitivity. This control is not a volume control for the amplifier. The amplifier can be driven to full power with a wide range of signal levels. A low level signal will require increased sensitivity for full power. A high level signal will require decreased sensitivity.

If you don't understand what I said, it is because you haven't done your homework assignment. You need to be punished. Most probably, the punishment is to send me your pro amp.

My crazy twin brother wrote the sticky thread, A Guide to Amplifiers. It explains everything you always wanted to know about amplifiers. Unfortunately, nobody reads it and the ones who do, including myself, don't understand it.

Scroll to the bottom and read the section on Input Sensitivity of an Amplifier.

I will deal with Pentatonic and Nick the Slick later for not reading the sticky thread.

I remained silent.....for I knew that wrath was coming!!!!!

[avnut57]

I'm new hear guys! But I hope to add something to the conversation.
I've been listening to my Acarian "Alon 1's" for 15+ yrs, I've used many amps=Meitner mono-blocks, Cyrus Integrated, 1 Denon & 1 Sony reciever,
& have the Soundstreemerll Dac, A little single tube pre &
have the emotiva amp & pre on order. I think I'm dialed in on this setup &
I'm fascinated by the possibility & probability of the Crowns being the new
Best bang for the buck! Thank you I will report back when I recieve either,
& put in my 2cents. Thank you all for the info!

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by avnut57

I'm new hear guys! But I hope to add something to the conversation.
I've been listening to my Acarian "Alon 1's" for 15+ yrs, I've used many amps=Meitner mono-blocks, Cyrus Integrated, 1 Denon & 1 Sony reciever,
& have the Soundstreemerll Dac, A little single tube pre &
have the emotiva amp & pre on order. I think I'm dialed in on this setup &
I'm fascinated by the possibility & probability of the Crowns being the new
Best bang for the buck! Thank you I will report back when I recieve either,
& put in my 2cents. Thank you all for the info!

I haven't heard the Acarian, Meitner, or Cyrus gear. The move to Crown, Behringer, and QSC amps would really be for the muscle they provide.

They sound nice, play flat, and are fast. But you may not need that much juice. My own gear that I've used with QSC includes some real power hogs - Sonus Faber Domus speakers, and Definitive Technologies ST's - and they do very well with them. But you may not need that much power, and the Emotiva will probably fit the bill quite nicely. Their base 5 channel amp puts out 80 watts for a 4 ohm load, and that will certainly feed the bulldog for most normal speakers.

Where these amps really shine is with passive subwoofers. For builders, these amps are a dream. If you have a passive amplifier, or are replacing an dead amp in a powered subwoofer, they are a real option if your speaker driver is a real power gulper.

If you're running in stereo mode for large mains, they're ideal. The advantage is cost - they're less expensive. The drawback is noise.

Big Daddy has foud inexpensive, quiet fans to replace stock fans that are fairly noisy (for Behringer units). I've found on my QSC's that it's not the fan being loud - it's the vibration on the chassis that generates sound. I have to figure out how to isolate the fan from the chassis - either through some tube setup (I don't really want to do that) or some way of padding the fan without losing airflow. But it's not really bad, at least on the QSC, and I've been using them for three years now.

Think it over, see if you need that much muscle. It's an option...and it's not too expensive.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by prerich

I remained silent.....for I knew that wrath was coming!!!!!

I'd lend you my helmet, but it wouldn't do much good - it's already dented up pretty bad...

[Nick The Slick]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

I haven't heard the Acarian, Meitner, or Cyrus gear. The move to Crown, Behringer, and QSC amps would really be for the muscle they provide.

They sound nice, play flat, and are fast. But you may not need that much juice. My own gear that I've used with QSC includes some real power hogs - Sonus Faber Domus speakers, and Definitive Technologies ST's - and they do very well with them. But you may not need that much power, and the Emotiva will probably fit the bill quite nicely. Their base 5 channel amp puts out 80 watts for a 4 ohm load, and that will certainly feed the bulldog for most normal speakers.

Where these amps really shine is with passive subwoofers. For builders, these amps are a dream. If you have a passive amplifier, or are replacing an dead amp in a powered subwoofer, they are a real option if your speaker driver is a real power gulper.

If you're running in stereo mode for large mains, they're ideal. The advantage is cost - they're less expensive. The drawback is noise.

Big Daddy has foud inexpensive, quiet fans to replace stock fans that are fairly noisy (for Behringer units). I've found on my QSC's that it's not the fan being loud - it's the vibration on the chassis that generates sound. I have to figure out how to isolate the fan from the chassis - either through some tube setup (I don't really want to do that) or some way of padding the fan without losing airflow. But it's not really bad, at least on the QSC, and I've been using them for three years now.

Think it over, see if you need that much muscle. It's an option...and it's not too expensive.

That's the beauty of the Crown's, 0 noise, at all. It has a fan but if it's ever kicked on, I have no clue it did.

[v_squared123]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

Actually what I would recommend to use as speaker cables for you is something like this



They are not expensive and would ensure a solid and safe connection.

Speakon to Banana at Amazon

Anyone own this cable? I'm very curious if it can perform as well as a fully balanced cable. I could get these and save myself from getting a prepro with balanced outs for a cheaper receiver

[cembros]

Originally Posted by Nick The Slick

That's the beauty of the Crown's, 0 noise, at all. It has a fan but if it's ever kicked on, I have no clue it did.

Seriously, this amp stays cold as ice, no exaggeration. I have yet to hear the fan come one and I've been pushing it pretty good the last few days. I will touch it at the end of a movie and it's like it was never even on. It's wild, I'm so blown away by the amp. I'm used to amps that break my back every time I move them all while they act as a central heating unit. Oh and did I mention they sound amazing!

[cembros]

Originally Posted by cembros

Seriously, this amp stays cold as ice, no exaggeration. I have yet to hear the fan come one and I've been pushing it pretty good the last few days. I will touch it at the end of a movie and it's like it was never even on. It's wild, I'm so blown away by the amp. I'm used to amps that break my back every time I move them all while they act as a central heating unit. Oh and did I mention they sound amazing!

To add. I've been into this hobby since I was a young teenager when I purchased my first set of sony speakers from a friend and played them off an old pioneer amp that came with my parents house and they is the most exciting piece of equipment I have come across. It's so out of left field and against the grain, almost to good to be true. But it's not, these amps rock and I am officially hooked. They are an innovative solution to the pseudoscience filled audiophile industry.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by cembros

To add. I've been into this hobby since I was a young teenager when I purchased my first set of sony speakers from a friend and played them off an old pioneer amp that came with my parents house and they is the most exciting piece of equipment I have come across. It's so out of left field and against the grain, almost to good to be true. But it's not, these amps rock and I am officially hooked. They are an innovative solution to the pseudoscience filled audiophile industry.

Gentlemen.....he has officially taken the Red Pill!!!!

[v_squared123]

[QUOTE=cembros;7092169]Seriously, this amp stays cold as ice, no exaggeration. I have yet to hear the fan come one and I've been pushing it pretty good the last few days. I will touch it at the end of a movie and it's like it was never even on. It's wild, I'm so blown away by the amp. I'm used to amps that break my back every time I move them all while they act as a central heating unit. Oh and did I mention they sound amazing![/QUOTE

I cant wait to get my own Crown XLS series amplifiers. It would be a hugeeeee upgrade from my current amplifier.

[v_squared123]

Originally Posted by cembros

Oh and did I mention they sound amazing!

Glad you are enjoying the crowns! And happy to see you have not broken your back lifting heavy amplifiers

[cembros]

Originally Posted by prerich

Gentlemen.....he has officially taken the Red Pill!!!!

Haha, you sold me. There were some growing pains but now that I have everything figured out there is no going back.

[Nick The Slick]

Originally Posted by v_squared123

Anyone own this cable? I'm very curious if it can perform as well as a fully balanced cable. I could get these and save myself from getting a prepro with balanced outs for a cheaper receiver

This cable is for the connection between amp and speaker, not pre-amp and amp.

[v_squared123]

Originally Posted by nick the slick

that's the beauty of the crown's, 0 noise, at all. It has a fan but if it's ever kicked on, i have no clue it did.

+1

[v_squared123]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

I haven't heard the Acarian, Meitner, or Cyrus gear. The move to Crown, Behringer, and QSC amps would really be for the muscle they provide.

They sound nice, play flat, and are fast. But you may not need that much juice. My own gear that I've used with QSC includes some real power hogs - Sonus Faber Domus speakers, and Definitive Technologies ST's - and they do very well with them. But you may not need that much power, and the Emotiva will probably fit the bill quite nicely. Their base 5 channel amp puts out 80 watts for a 4 ohm load, and that will certainly feed the bulldog for most normal speakers.

Where these amps really shine is with passive subwoofers. For builders, these amps are a dream. If you have a passive amplifier, or are replacing an dead amp in a powered subwoofer, they are a real option if your speaker driver is a real power gulper.

If you're running in stereo mode for large mains, they're ideal. The advantage is cost - they're less expensive. The drawback is noise.

Big Daddy has foud inexpensive, quiet fans to replace stock fans that are fairly noisy (for Behringer units). I've found on my QSC's that it's not the fan being loud - it's the vibration on the chassis that generates sound. I have to figure out how to isolate the fan from the chassis - either through some tube setup (I don't really want to do that) or some way of padding the fan without losing airflow. But it's not really bad, at least on the QSC, and I've been using them for three years now.

Think it over, see if you need that much muscle. It's an option...and it's not too expensive.

Bludog that isn't entirely correct....80 watts into 4 ohms would not suffice transient peaks in music or movies. Some songs have peak that are 3-24 dbs high which means wattage requirement of over 2000 watts with a 89 dbl/1 watt speaker. That's an extreme example but what I'm getting at is you can never have enough power and considering the price you are paying per watt compared to an emotiva/outlaw/axiom/X-labs, etc amplifiers it's one hell of a value. More wattage means your music will not sound strained or flat with those peaks at loud volumes. Just imagine what an efficient speaker like a klipsch or Pendragon speaker with a 98 db/watt rating would do with a crown amp. It would be crazy. Also take a look at these signal to noise ratings for the crown xls 1500 2000 2500 series amps

Signal-to-Noise Ratio Rated as dBr to full rated 8 ohm power output (A-Weighted):
XLS1000 > 97 dB
XLS1500, XLS2000, XLS2500 > 103dB

Anything over 100 dB I believe is acceptable for music playback. So these amps make the cut!

[v_squared123]

Originally Posted by Nick The Slick

This cable is for the connection between amp and speaker, not pre-amp and amp.

What I meant was I would not need to get a prepro that had balanced outs like the marantz 7005 which is arnd $1500 so I could use fully balanced cables from the prepro to the amp instead I could get a lower priced receiver Witout the balanced Pre outs and use that cable with the banana ends going from the receiver and the balanced outs or speakon outs going to the amp and still get a clean signal

[v_squared123]

I'm totally into the crown amps as the best bang for buck amplifiers. Discovering these amps to be as good as any thousand dollar amplifier was like hitting gold. Amazing value, great performance and they don't look as bad as the other pro audio amplifiers like the behringers which look too bland and unattractive. I want to keep spreading the word about pro audio amps being as good as higher end amps and the feedback that ppl are giving after trying these amps out just keeps me at it

[Nick The Slick]

Originally Posted by v_squared123

What I meant was I would not need to get a prepro that had balanced outs like the marantz 7005 which is arnd $1500 so I could use fully balanced cables from the prepro to the amp instead I could get a lower priced receiver Witout the balanced Pre outs and use that cable with the banana ends going from the receiver and the balanced outs or speakon outs going to the amp and still get a clean signal

I'm not sure I understand the question here.... If you want a balanced signal you'd have to get a pre-pro with balanced outs. You'd use an XLR cable to go from the pre-amp to the pro amp. Then you can use either banana's or bare wire from the binding posts to the speaker, or you can use that speakon cable with bananas on the other end to go from the pro amps speakon out to the speaker. The part I bolded suggests you think these speakon cables can go from the receiver to the amp, but they are only for going from the amp to the speakers.

[v_squared123]

Originally Posted by Nick The Slick

I'm not sure I understand the question here.... If you want a balanced signal you'd have to get a pre-pro with balanced outs. You'd use an XLR cable to go from the pre-amp to the pro amp. Then you can use either banana's or bare wire from the binding posts to the speaker, or you can use that speakon cable with bananas on the other end to go from the pro amps speakon out to the speaker. The part I bolded suggests you think these speakon cables can go from the receiver to the amp, but they are only for going from the amp to the speakers.

You are right I thought speakon goes from the prepro to the amp! My bad! But the speakon confusion aside, the balanced to banana from a prepro OR receiver to the amp could work right? I wouldn't need to look for a prepro specifically for the balanced outs?

[cembros]

Originally Posted by v_squared123

You are right I thought speakon goes from the prepro to the amp! My bad! But the speakon confusion aside, the balanced to banana from a prepro OR receiver to the amp could work right? I wouldn't need to look for a prepro specifically for the balanced outs?

Balanced refers to the connection between the amp and the processor. Bananas are used for speaker connections, amp to speaker. You can use this amp with a processer that is either balanced (xlr) or unbalanced (rca).