Evil Dead 2 4K UHD (1987) - Page 10 - Blu-ray Forum

Rusty100 · 10-28-2018, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JekYL

Is it just me or does the 4K not look just ****ED here:?

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...9&l=0&i=6&go=1

Like specifically where the blood is impacting him. Looks to me like it it has tons of digital noise, like they turned the contrast way up and it came out splotchy like that?

I'm sure most of you will say that it's just because I'm not looking at it in motion on an actual 4K TV. But really, is that actually the case?

I just want to chime in here - I've just paused it on my actual 4k HDR tv, and the blood isn't nearly as crushed at is looks here. You can actually make out all the detail rather than the crushed red blob that appears in this screenshot. Same as you can in the BD version.

Though the transfer no doubt has some compression issues. I just think this particular shot, and maybe a few others, didn't really survive the SDR conversion intact. It looks fine on an HDR tv.

mzupeman · 10-28-2018, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty100

I just want to chime in here - I've just paused it on my actual 4k HDR tv, and the blood isn't nearly as crushed at is looks here. You can actually make out all the detail rather than the crushed red blob that appears in this screenshot. Same as you can in the BD version.

Though the transfer no doubt has some compression issues. I just think this particular shot, and maybe a few others, didn't really survive the SDR conversion intact. It looks fine on an HDR tv.

Capsaholic’s SDR conversions are routinely terrible.

Amano · 10-28-2018, 02:50 PM

Hmm, I wonder if the UHD is actually based on a 4K scan at all. If this is 35 mm the UHD should feature a finer grain structure than the german disc (same master) and I am not sure if this is what I am seeing.

Did they expicitely tell if this is based on a 4K scan? Because for the Fog and They live they did? Can we think that StudioCanal would surprise us with an an upscale?

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=3&x...0&l=0&i=0&go=1

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=3&x...2&l=0&i=2&go=1

It's not that StudioCanal were the first to ship HD or 2K material on an UHD disc. I am looking at you Bourne movies...

StingingVelvet · 10-28-2018, 03:00 PM

Basing all this stuff off SDR converted caps is a but hyperbolic IMO.

Amano · 10-28-2018, 03:02 PM

I think that the grain structure is the only thing that can be compared which wouldn't be impacted by the color space conversion.

Other 35mm titles from the same scan show significantly finer grain: https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=2&x...9&l=0&i=1&go=1

(to be fair, Spielberg probably had the much better film stock)

StingingVelvet · 10-28-2018, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Amano

I think that the grain structure is the only thing that can be compared which wouldn't be impacted by the color space conversion.

Color space no, dynamic range yes. How bright/dark a section of the image is certainly impacts grain. Most of caps-a-holic's UHD images suck for seeing grain in skies and whatnot.

Amano · 10-28-2018, 03:11 PM

So you suggest that the grain is actually finer than shown on Capsaholic?

Geoff D · 10-28-2018, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Basing all this stuff off SDR converted caps is a but hyperbolic IMO.

It's not that so much as the mediocre StudioCanal compression robbing the UHD of some of that grainy texture seen on the BD. Give them fine grain, like on They Live, and their encoder's pretty good, but give them anything with coarser, chunkier grain and it just can't handle it.

StingingVelvet · 10-28-2018, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Amano

So you suggest that the grain is actually finer than shown on Capsaholic?

I'm saying I don't know, because I don't trust the caps to make conclusions.

Rusty100 · 10-29-2018, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mzupeman

Capsaholic’s SDR conversions are routinely terrible.

I took my own screenshot with MadVR and got even worse results than they did - so it's pretty clear MadVR's SDR conversion needs a lot of work or a lot of user tweaking to get right. Is there a better way to do the SDR conversion?

Lt_Cobretti · 10-29-2018, 02:59 AM

It's also very important not to confuse grain structure with edge enhancement.

Additionally both of those caps are scenes with optical effects (the castle) and speed ramping (the reversed smoke) which I believe could also impact the quality of final image.

Shand754 · 10-29-2018, 06:59 AM

Starting to wonder about the lack of an amazon preorder for this.

Shand754 · 11-03-2018, 12:55 PM

Still wondering....

slimdude · 11-03-2018, 01:00 PM

Why is it two threads for the same movie title and format.

ROSS.T.G. · 11-03-2018, 01:50 PM

One is for the international release by SC and the other NA by LG.

Agent Kay · 11-03-2018, 03:24 PM

ROSS.T.G. · 11-03-2018, 03:55 PM

Oh baby. Don’t care for SB but ED is very nice. Going to be a long wait.

Agent Kay · 11-03-2018, 04:10 PM

I actually love the art and the finish on it

ROSS.T.G. · 11-03-2018, 04:23 PM

Yeah it looks amazing.

DJR662 · 11-03-2018, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Kay

So...when are you going to watch Evil Dead II?

10-28-2018, 02:50 PM	#183
Amano Active Member Member since:Dec 2015	Hmm, I wonder if the UHD is actually based on a 4K scan at all. If this is 35 mm the UHD should feature a finer grain structure than the german disc (same master) and I am not sure if this is what I am seeing. Did they expicitely tell if this is based on a 4K scan? Because for the Fog and They live they did? Can we think that StudioCanal would surprise us with an an upscale? https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=3&x...0&l=0&i=0&go=1 https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=3&x...2&l=0&i=2&go=1 It's not that StudioCanal were the first to ship HD or 2K material on an UHD disc. I am looking at you Bourne movies... Last edited by Amano; 10-28-2018 at 03:00 PM.

10-28-2018, 03:00 PM	#184
StingingVelvet Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Jan 2014 Location:Philadelphia, PA 4K collection:852 Blu-ray collection:2331 DVD collection:111 Digital collection:12 Trading Score:69	Basing all this stuff off SDR converted caps is a but hyperbolic IMO.

10-28-2018, 03:02 PM	#185
Amano Active Member Member since:Dec 2015	I think that the grain structure is the only thing that can be compared which wouldn't be impacted by the color space conversion. Other 35mm titles from the same scan show significantly finer grain: https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=2&x...9&l=0&i=1&go=1 (to be fair, Spielberg probably had the much better film stock)

10-28-2018, 03:11 PM	#187
Amano Active Member Member since:Dec 2015	So you suggest that the grain is actually finer than shown on Capsaholic?

10-29-2018, 02:59 AM	#191
Lt_Cobretti Expert Member Member since:Feb 2015 Location:Newy 4K collection:177 Blu-ray collection:178	It's also very important not to confuse grain structure with edge enhancement. Additionally both of those caps are scenes with optical effects (the castle) and speed ramping (the reversed smoke) which I believe could also impact the quality of final image.

10-29-2018, 06:59 AM	#192
Shand754 Active Member Member since:Jul 2008	Starting to wonder about the lack of an amazon preorder for this.

11-03-2018, 12:55 PM	#193
Shand754 Active Member Member since:Jul 2008	Still wondering....

11-03-2018, 01:00 PM	#194
slimdude Banned Member since:Apr 2009 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Blu-ray reviews:8	Why is it two threads for the same movie title and format.

11-03-2018, 01:50 PM	#195
ROSS.T.G. Blu-ray Champion Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Ontario, Canada 4K collection:393 Blu-ray collection:1549 Blu-ray reviews:16	One is for the international release by SC and the other NA by LG.

11-03-2018, 03:24 PM	#196
Agent Kay Banned Member since:May 2018 4K collection:57 Blu-ray collection:57

11-03-2018, 03:55 PM	#197
ROSS.T.G. Blu-ray Champion Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Ontario, Canada 4K collection:393 Blu-ray collection:1549 Blu-ray reviews:16	Oh baby. Don’t care for SB but ED is very nice. Going to be a long wait.

11-03-2018, 04:10 PM	#198
Agent Kay Banned Member since:May 2018 4K collection:57 Blu-ray collection:57	I actually love the art and the finish on it

11-03-2018, 04:23 PM	#199
ROSS.T.G. Blu-ray Champion Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Ontario, Canada 4K collection:393 Blu-ray collection:1549 Blu-ray reviews:16	Yeah it looks amazing.

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