Batman Begins (2005)

[lgans316]

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=760714
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=3338

[TauHeel05]

Can we dedicate a new thread pleading with WB not to use DNR on "The Dark Knight" blu-ray release?

[WickyWoo]

Can we dedicate a new thread pleading with WB not to use DNR on "The Dark Knight" blu-ray release?

You'd be wasting your time, so no

[Pellaeon]

Just the regular for me.

[neo_reloaded]

Originally Posted by lgans316

10,000 B.C BD Info - 16.43 Mbps20,400,127,760 16.43 Dolby TrueHD 5.1 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps[/code]

WB should learn a lot from other Studios.

1) Refrain from filtering the image
2) Make lossless audio mandatory
3) Feature 24-bit lossless audio whenever possible or at least refrain from heavy DIALNORM.

Agree with most of those points, but DIALNORM is not in any way a bad thing. With dialnorm, no dynamic range is lost and the actual master audio is completely unchanged. It's just a setting of how loud the baseline volume is, and it accomplishes this by changing the decoder gain in your audio equipment - no changes in the audio data stored on the disc are made, and even the baseline volume setting can be completely undone by just turning your volume up a few knotches.

There's no such thing as "heavy DIALNORM" as DIALNORM is just setting the volume to a certain baseline. This baseline is consistent across all DIALNORMed titles, so there's no way to "heavily apply it."

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by lgans316

10,000 B.C, Bucket List, Fool's Gold, The Enforcer, Sudden Impact and The Dead Pool are on BD-25. Only Dirty Harry peaks 32+ Mbps. The bit rates on the rest don't peak beyond HD DVD's threshold.

I realize the PS3's bitrate meter is considered somewhat un-reliable... but:

"The Bucket List" showed peaks of 38.8 on mine at the WB logo in the beginning of the film. The opening scene of the mountain showed peaks ABOVE 32+ as well. Grubert posted this thread about "The Bucket List" as well: Did Warner just increase video bitrates? (photo inside).

"Fool's Gold" showed at least SEVERAL peaks into the 40s, multiple peaks into the mid to upper 30s, and average anywhere from the low teens to upper 20s.

A quick look at "10,000 B.C." however showed no signs of BD bitrates in the time it took me to find MULTIPLE peaks on the other two films. However, I don't care what people say about "10,000 B.C.", it looks FAR more detailed than MOST of my WB Blu-ray titles. Heck, if only "Batman Begins" looked as detailed, I'd be MUCH happier with my re-purchase of that title.

Likewise, "The Bucket List" and "Fool's Gold" are some of the BETTER WB titles I have in my collection... so if the PS3 bitrate meter is wrong, WB must have gotten their hands on a MUCH better VC-1 encoder...

~Alan

[GoBlu08]

Whatever they do with the Dark Knight I'm going to purchase it anyway. I do have a question though. Did Heath Ledger finish filming all of his parts before he passed away. I think it would really look cheesey if they dubbed his parts.

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

My god...is the Dark Knight prologue not DNR'd?

I mean, it was shot 65mm for IMAX, so it should be fine grained to begin with and not require it

Perhaps Nolan supervised it?

~Alan

[RedIsNotBlue]

Originally Posted by GoBlu08

Whatever they do with the Dark Knight I'm going to purchase it anyway. I do have a question though. Did Heath Ledger finish filming all of his parts before he passed away. I think it would really look cheesey if they dubbed his parts.

Yes it was his last finished movie role. He was already into filming another film when he passed. And that movie I believe they said they are going to used other Hollywood A-lister's to finish the film by filling in for him which should be interesting to see.

[zor]

Originally Posted by TauHeel05

Can we dedicate a new thread pleading with WB not to use DNR on "The Dark Knight" blu-ray release?

I like DNR or any other tech that removes grain. Grain should be eliminated in as much as possible without significantly reducing the level of detail in the final product. Ever seen movies like Ultraviolet? That's where the future of motion pictures are headed, my friend.

[zor]

PS, IMAX is currently negotiating with TI to get ... I think it was some kind of DLP tech that would allow for grain-less IMAX productions. Initially they were going to do something with some Sony product IIRC, but they went with TI (for now at least) instead.

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

BB was made in the transition period, so until you know whether or not they have one, it's not reasonable to make accusations.

Sorry Wicky but I completely disagree with you. I think it is a reasonable assumption that most big budget movies these days have 24 bit resolution available. If I am wrong, and Batman Begins is an exception, then please let me know.

As far as Batman Begins being made in a transition period, I'm sorry that's just an excuse. We need to stop letting WB off the hook. Universal went back and re-mastered The Mummy series and added lossless audio (in a matter of what, 10 months? For the record, I believe Universal started "working on/strategizing for" Blu last September). Why couldn't WB do the same thing? The Batman Begins HD DVD was released in October 2006. WB also knew the BD would be "delayed" and opted to wait for Profile 1.1 and the tie in to the theatrical release of The Dark Knight. They've known The Dark Knight was "Summer 2008" for a while, they've had over 1.5 yrs to change the eventual BD release of Batman Begins. They simply opted not to (do so).

I thank WB for ending the life of HD DVD. However, they are by far the worst studio when it comes to quality of BD releases. They owe me nothing, I owe them nothing. As the other 5 studios ramp up BD production later in 2008 and into 2009, it is quite likely I'll simply "pass" on a lot of the marginal quality Warner has to offer, knowing that I'm not getting "the best it could be" (and wait for the double dip or for them to get their act together on the first release).

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by zor

Ever seen movies like Ultraviolet? That's where the future of motion pictures are headed, my friend.

Joan Rivers will be pleased...

~Alan

[TauHeel05]

Originally Posted by zor

I like DNR or any other tech that removes grain. Grain should be eliminated in as much as possible without significantly reducing the level of detail in the final product. Ever seen movies like Ultraviolet? That's where the future of motion pictures are headed, my friend.

Ultraviolet??? Are you sure? I don't think most motion pictures want to mimic that one.

[WickyWoo]

orry Wicky but I completely disagree with you. I think it is a reasonable assumption that most big budget movies these days have 24 bit resolution available. If I am wrong, and Batman Begins is an exception, then please let me know.

2005 is not "these days". Mid-late 2005-2006 is when standard mastering movied from 16-24 bit

Narnia for example is 16 bit, and that came out for Christmas 2005

[zor]

Originally Posted by TauHeel05

Ultraviolet??? Are you sure? I don't think most motion pictures want to mimic that one.

I haven't seen the BD, only the DVD, but I was just using it as an example of grainless filming ... filmed not on film but video:

"The movie was shot digitally on high-definition video using a Sony HDW-F900."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet_%28film%29

I thought the movie itself was just OK. Didn't you think visually it was pretty good (haven't seen the BD)?

Film will be obsolete and be replaced by video in the future and that means bye bye to grain. There wouldn't be any need to do DNR to remove grain since there wouldn't be any to begin with (that's my understanding at least)

[DarklyDreaming]

I have a very simple question, as i'm not sure if the source of this information is reliable. Can anyone confirm that all Warner Bros releases are in fact region free? I want to pick up the Gift Set of Batman Begins on Blu-Ray, but it's not being sold here (England). Can anyone confirm that it will play on my Blu-Ray player (PS3).

[RedIsNotBlue]

Originally Posted by TauHeel05

Does the Prologue have Dolby TrueHD?

Interested in knowing this myself.

[WickyWoo]

Film will be obsolete and be replaced by video in the future and that means bye bye to grain. There wouldn't be any need to do DNR to remove grain since there wouldn't be any to begin with (that's my understanding at least)

Unlikely anywhere in the near future, and grain is simply replaced by CCD noise

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

My god...is the Dark Knight prologue not DNR'd?

I mean, it was shot 65mm for IMAX, so it should be fine grained to begin with and not require it

Well, only certain action sequences.

The rest of the film was shot 35MM anamorphic Panavision.

So will Warner "tinker" with the rest of the film to achive a seamless look???

Unlikely anywhere in the near future, and grain is simply replaced by CCD noise

True. Dark areas can have "digital grain" (aka noise)