As much as I'd love to see this, the fact that they're doing an HD transfer incorporating VHS footage dampens my enthusiasm greatly. I have the German Mediabook edition of Hellraiser III with the unrated cut and the VHS sourced footage sticks out like a massive sore thumb.
Nothing is dampening my enthusiasm for this. If you don't like the added footage just watch the regular version. I love everything Clive Barker so I want every extra second of footage no matter what the condition is.
Just the fact that the extra footage is being released at all is wonderful news, and I couldn't possibly care less if it came from VHS or not. If you really care that much about the quality of the extra rare footage you're getting on this release, don't watch that version. Jeez people it's pretty simple.
Nothing is dampening my enthusiasm for this. If you don't like the added footage just watch the regular version. I love everything Clive Barker so I want every extra second of footage no matter what the condition is.
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Originally Posted by MarsupialRebellion
Just the fact that the extra footage is being released at all is wonderful news, and I couldn't possibly care less if it came from VHS or not. If you really care that much about the quality of the extra rare footage you're getting on this release, don't watch that version. Jeez people it's pretty simple.
if you guys don't think it will dampen sales, all you have to do is look at Ravenous.
Okay, from what I understand the only footage coming from VHS is footage that hasn't been seen before, therefore the entire film wont necessarily look as bad being as its not all coming from a VHS source. Now apparently Ravenous came from a bad source to begin with is what some are saying, and that is the reason for it looking shoddy (by the way I saw that film in theaters, and it never looked very great, just as many movies from this time period were looking) so I'm trying to understand if you're saying sales will be affected because of the average quality of recent SF titles or that sales will be affected because optional additional footage is being taken from a VHS source. Either way, I'm buying Ravenous because I never owned it and would love to hear the commentaries/see the deleted scenes, and the same goes for Nightbreed. And I'm pretty sure I'm not alone there.
Having watched the cabal cut in a cinema I hope they clean the transfer up as to watch it with VHS footage appearing was a very jaded experience.
I know that the cabal cut screened at festivals won't be the version on the disc but I hope they clean up the footage as a priority to make it watchable.
Scream have had quite a bit of time since announcing this title coming and I hope it's time spent getting this in the right shape to release this properly as I would of thought that this is pretty much the best we are all going to get in watching this in HD
Okay, from what I understand the only footage coming from VHS is footage that hasn't been seen before, therefore the entire film wont necessarily look as bad being as its not all coming from a VHS source. Now apparently Ravenous came from a bad source to begin with is what some are saying, and that is the reason for it looking shoddy (by the way I saw that film in theaters, and it never looked very great, just as many movies from this time period were looking) so I'm trying to understand if you're saying sales will be affected because of the average quality of recent SF titles or that sales will be affected because optional additional footage is being taken from a VHS source. Either way, I'm buying Ravenous because I never owned it and would love to hear the commentaries/see the deleted scenes, and the same goes for Nightbreed. And I'm pretty sure I'm not alone there.
I'm sure a die hard fan will over look any warts, but they can't rely on die hard fans alone, what I mean by my comment about ravenous is that it is making some people gun shy about quality when it comes to Scream titles, and saying that this new release will contain VHS footage is not helping, I too saw the cabal cut, and I was not impressed, so unless they do a fantastic job, a lot of people may take a wait and see position, or wait for a substantial price drop. I'm not a rabid horror fan, so I may be in the minority, and could be totally wrong.
I don't understand why they don't just i include the Cabal cut AND the director's cut, instead of splitting the audience on the issue. Sure the directors cut sounds definitive, but some of you guys who saw the Cabal ought to appreciate that many of us who couldn't still want to see *everything* that was discovered just like you guys got to.
I don't understand why they don't just i include the Cabal cut AND the director's cut, instead of splitting the audience on the issue. Sure the directors cut sounds definitive, but some of you guys who saw the Cabal ought to appreciate that many of us who couldn't still want to see *everything* that was discovered just like you guys got to.
I'd like one with all three cuts. If the other two cuts were going to have VHS bits, and I had to settle for just one version on blu ray, I'd honestly settle for the theatrical. I'd only really want the other cuts if they were just there as a lower quality extra.
They can't do the theatrical cut because they don't have the rights (which is weird that different companies can hold the rights to different cuts of a film but if that's how the cookie crumbles, then so be it).
I'm glad that Barker gets to release his version, and if tape elements are the only way to see most of that footage, then cool. It's better than nothing.
I was just thinking the same thing. September is already incredibly bloated. I can't handle any more!
That being said, I can't wait to own this on Blu. As others have said, the Theatrical and Director's cut would be nice together, if the VHS source is going to be a rough watch.
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We have big (and extensive) news to report today regarding a film that we announced almost over a year ago in July. In collaboration with Morgan Creek Productions and Clive Barker’s Seraphim, Inc., the long-awaited NIGHTBREED: THE DIRECTOR’S CUT is scheduled for a release of October 28th and will be available in two retail versions: A 5,000 Unit Limited-Edition 3-Disc Blu-ray™ set and a Special Edition DVD & Blu-ray™ Combo.
In 1990, the film was released theatrically nationwide. However, the movie studio edited the film extensively and several scenes were excised or rearranged – much to Director Clive Barker’s disappointment. Since then, a fan-driven movement was created (http://www.OccupyMidian.com
) to see the full version of the film restored and re-released. Now, after 25 years, fans and horror enthusiasts can finally experience NIGHTBREED like never before! Scream Factory, in conjunction with Warner Bros., was able to find the long-thought-missing original film elements and combed through over 600 boxes to locate not only the lost scenes but a treasure trove of never-before-seen footage as well. With nearly an hour of lost footage meticulously restored, the result is not only a more faithful adaptation of Clive Barker’s book Cabal, but also what he originally intended NIGHTBREED to be.
Official statement from Clive Barker: "This is film history and beyond my wildest dreams of realization. When Scream Factory told me that they found the NIGHTBREED film footage I was gob-smacked! This is the ultimate validation of choices made by myself and Mark Miller [of Seraphim Films] all the way back in 2008. As we embarked down the road of attempting to track down the lost footage, we looked at each other and said, 'Maybe one day they'll find it.' It's my pleasure to announce that the day has come. Speaking personally, I didn't allow myself to believe that it would. Even if we did find some footage (which we did in 2009 in the form of heavily degraded VHS tapes) and even if we did find a company willing to release the film (which we did in 2013 with Scream Factory, God bless them) the prospect of finding the actual lost film materials was remoter than I'd wanted to admit out loud. If the footage could not be found by those who had worked closest on it the same year it had been released, then what were the odds we'd be able to find anything 20 years on? But Scream Factory, in their commendable determination, kept up the search and thanks to them total reconstruction has been made a possibility. There's never been a reconstruction that's had as little chance of succeeding and yet has succeeded on as many fronts as this film has. It's unprecedented. To now have a movie that we can put together in the way that I fully intended it to be seen when I first set out to make this film in 1989 is extraordinary. The project has moved inexorably to this conclusion. Fate and the hard work of individuals such as Mark Miller, Russell Cherrington, Phil and Sarah Stokes, Occupy Midian, Morgan Creek, and ultimately, Scream Factory have made this a possibility and I could not be happier."
Details on the two retail sets are as follows:
LIMITED EDITION SET (ONLY 5,000 NUMBERED SETS MADE):
- Disc 1: Unrated Director’s Cut of the film on Blu-ray
- Disc 2: The 1990 R-Rated theatrical version of the film on Blu-ray (through a special licensing agreement through Warner Bros.)
- Disc 3: EXCLUSIVE-TO-THIS-SET Bonus Blu-ray disc packed with extras (details forthcoming)
- Includes Collector’s Book with an essay and rare photos
- Slipcase includes newly-designed artwork by Joel Robinson approved by Clive Barker
will also receive an exclusive 18”x24” poster of the newly designed artwork (available while supplies last)! The Scream Factory site will also receive the first 1,000 numbered copies and ship 2 weeks earlier than Oct 28th.**
SPECIAL EDITION SET:
- Disc 1: Unrated Director’s Cut of the film on Blu-ray plus bonus features (details forthcoming)
- Disc 2: Unrated Director’s Cut of the film on DVD (details forthcoming)
- Slipcase includes artwork designed by Ralph McQuarrie approved by Clive Barker
We will keep you guys posted about extras and more in the upcoming months.
***NIGHTBREED: THE DIRECTOR’S CUT Update!!*** We have big (and extensive) news to report today regarding a film that we announced almost over a year ago in July. In collaboration with Morgan Creek Productions and Clive Barker’s Seraphim, Inc., the long-awaited NIGHTBREED: THE DIRECTOR’S CUT is scheduled for a release of October 28th and will be available in two retail versions: A 5,000 Unit Limited-Edition 3-Disc Blu-ray™ set and a Special Edition DVD & Blu-ray™ Combo. In 1990, the film was released theatrically nationwide. However, the movie studio edited the film extensively and several scenes were excised or rearranged – much to Director Clive Barker’s disappointment. Since then, a fan-driven movement was created (http://www.OccupyMidian.com) to see the full version of the film restored and re-released. Now, after 25 years, fans and horror enthusiasts can finally experience NIGHTBREED like never before! Scream Factory, in conjunction with Warner Bros., was able to find the long-thought-missing original film elements and combed through over 600 boxes to locate not only the lost scenes but a treasure trove of never-before-seen footage as well. With nearly an hour of lost footage meticulously restored, the result is not only a more faithful adaptation of Clive Barker’s book Cabal, but also what he originally intended NIGHTBREED to be. Official statement from Clive Barker: "This is film history and beyond my wildest dreams of realization. When Scream Factory told me that they found the NIGHTBREED film footage I was gob-smacked! This is the ultimate validation of choices made by myself and Mark Miller [of Seraphim Films] all the way back in 2008. As we embarked down the road of attempting to track down the lost footage, we looked at each other and said, 'Maybe one day they'll find it.' It's my pleasure to announce that the day has come. Speaking personally, I didn't allow myself to believe that it would. Even if we did find some footage (which we did in 2009 in the form of heavily degraded VHS tapes) and even if we did find a company willing to release the film (which we did in 2013 with Scream Factory, God bless them) the prospect of finding the actual lost film materials was remoter than I'd wanted to admit out loud. If the footage could not be found by those who had worked closest on it the same year it had been released, then what were the odds we'd be able to find anything 20 years on? But Scream Factory, in their commendable determination, kept up the search and thanks to them total reconstruction has been made a possibility. There's never been a reconstruction that's had as little chance of succeeding and yet has succeeded on as many fronts as this film has. It's unprecedented. To now have a movie that we can put together in the way that I fully intended it to be seen when I first set out to make this film in 1989 is extraordinary. The project has moved inexorably to this conclusion. Fate and the hard work of individuals such as Mark Miller, Russell Cherrington, Phil and Sarah Stokes, Occupy Midian, Morgan Creek, and ultimately, Scream Factory have made this a possibility and I could not be happier." Details on the two retail sets are as follows: LIMITED EDITION SET (ONLY 5,000 NUMBERED SETS MADE): - Disc 1: Unrated Director’s Cut of the film on Blu-ray - Disc 2: The 1990 R-Rated theatrical version of the film on Blu-ray (through a special licensing agreement through Warner Bros.) - Disc 3: EXCLUSIVE-TO-THIS-SET Bonus Blu-ray disc packed with extras (details forthcoming) - Includes Collector’s Book with an essay and rare photos - Slipcase includes newly-designed artwork by Joel Robinson approved by Clive Barker **NOTE: Those who order the Limited Edition set directly from http://www.shoutfactory.com/screamfactory will also receive an exclusive 18”x24” poster of the newly designed artwork (available while supplies last)! The Scream Factory site will also receive the first 1,000 numbered copies and ship 2 weeks earlier than Oct 28th.** Order at: http://www.shoutfactory.com/product/...deluxe-edition SPECIAL EDITION SET: - Disc 1: Unrated Director’s Cut of the film on Blu-ray plus bonus features (details forthcoming) - Disc 2: Unrated Director’s Cut of the film on DVD (details forthcoming) - Slipcase includes artwork designed by Ralph McQuarrie approved by Clive Barker Order at: http://www.shoutfactory.com/product/...-directors-cut We will keep you guys posted about extras and more in the upcoming months.
I've never seen this, but I have listened to the snippits of the Danny Elfman score on his Music for a Darkened Theatre CD. I guess I'll have to get it now!
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