Nightbreed: The Director's Cut (1990) (Limited Edition - SOLD OUT)

[DMRI2006]

It's months away from the actual release. You can cancel if you don't like it. That's most definitely NOT a "bait and switch."

A "bait and switch" would be if they released a single-disc BD for $80 that didn't have any special features on it at all when you opened up the package, expecting the 3-disc set they promised.

If you are hung up on the 5K number, and that's the main reason you bought the release to begin with, that's your own problem. Don't buy it. Cancel it. You're not losing any money...so why the outrage and bickering? Shout would be pissed on by some here if they HADN'T upped the 5K number. Can't win no matter what they do or don't do.

[Blu MacReady]

[quote=DMRI2006;9490063]It's months away from the actual release. You can cancel if you don't like it. That's most definitely NOT a "bait and switch."

A "bait and switch" would be if they released a single-disc BD for $80 that didn't have any special features on it at all when you opened up the package, expecting the 3-disc set they promised.

If you are hung up on the 5K number, and that's the main reason you bought the release to begin with, that's your own problem. Don't buy it. Cancel it. You're not losing any money...so why the outrage and bickering? Shout would be pissed on by some here if they HADN'T upped the 5K number. Can't win no matter what they do or don't do.[/

[RedIsNotBlue]

Ugh. This thread is turning into a broken record of nonsense. There are 10,000 copies...deal with it. Let it go.

[Cortiz]

I'll pre-order at a cheaper price if they become available again at Amazon. Otherwise, I'm quite happy with my regurlar edition pre-order.

[Blu MacReady]

Originally Posted by Cortiz

I'll pre-order at a cheaper price if they become available again at Amazon. Otherwise, I'm quite happy with my regurlar edition pre-order.

You have any idea the extras on each release yet?

[tommynorcal]

Originally Posted by biosquid2

bait-and-switch:

The action (generally illegal) of advertising goods that are an apparent bargain, with the intention of substituting inferior or more expensive goods.

I believe Blu MacReady was going by this (personally, I don't find the product inferior because it's no longer limited to 5,000). However, I don't consider Shout! Factory's move a bait-and-switch, since I don't feel substituting inferior product was their intention. The product is in early pre-order status. They increased the run to 10,000 and their site has been updated to reflect that. Though, Shout! Factory should have committed to their marketing; it's what consumers have to go by, and when they renege on that, trust is lost.

Sensible response, I appreciate it.

[Vandal Savage]

Originally Posted by dissention

If they're just used as deleted scenes, I couldn't care less if they have audio or not. The sole deleted scene for Near Dark didn't have audio and it was still a great sequence. If these scenes are going to be reintegrated in the film, they better have audio. We're not paying for a cheesy fan edit here.

That is my concern as well. This is being billed as a directors cut, so it is my hope that we will get something that resembles a completed film and not a workprint with missing dialog, a temp score that was cobbled together, and incomplete special effects.

I really don't know what the completed product will be like, but the scraps of information that have been doled out aren't inspiring a lot of confidence.

I'll wait and see what people who get their deluxe editions two weeks early have to say; I may end up canceling my order with Amazon if this thing is a mess.

[Vandal Savage]

Originally Posted by tommynorcal

Now can we all stop calling this a bait and switch?

It's just a bait without a switch.

[Thomas Irwin]

Originally Posted by Vandal Savage

That is my concern as well. This is being billed as a directors cut, so it is my hope that we will get something that resembles a completed film and not a workprint with missing dialog, a temp score that was cobbled together, and incomplete special effects.

I really don't know what the completed product will be like, but the scraps of information that have been doled out aren't inspiring a lot of confidence.

I'll wait and see what people who get their deluxe editions two weeks early have to say; I may end up canceling my order with Amazon if this thing is a mess.

At least we're getting the original film elements. They could have gone with a mime holding storyboards. Give them some credit, I'm sure they're doing the best they can within their abilities.

[Bad Brain]

***Fair warning. Potential spoilers***

I’ve been a fan of Clive Barker’s for about 25-26 years now. I can still remember how excited I was when I learned that one of my favorite author’s at the time was getting ready adapt his novella Cabal into a film. A project that was being hailed as the Star Wars of creature movies no less! I couldn’t wait for this thing to come out!

Several months had passed after reading the announcement of the film and then finally the horror magazines had full articles with pictures from the film…this looked incredible! Fangoria had a pic of a creature that had little arms coming out of both sides of its neck on the cover and the inside of the magazine had a plethora of other fantastic looking creatures too. I don't remember if Fangoria included the pic of a certain mask wearing serial killer that had someone’s head on one of his over-sized knives, but Toxic Horror did (another Starlog magazine.).

I was only 15 at the time and this film seemed like it was going to live up to all the hype that the horror community was putting into it. Clive Barker, check! Too many creatures to count, check! Wicked looking killer played by David Cronenberg, check! Danny Elfman score, check! Hot porcupine chick, check,check and check!!!

Opening day. I went to buy my ticket for whatever PG-13 film was playing at the time, snuck into Nightbreed and to my surprise…the theater was completely empty. Where the hell was everyone! This was a 7 o’clock showing in Las Vegas. How could this be?! Where were all of the horror fans over the age of 17?! Granted, I was about 30 minutes early, but I didn’t expect to be the only person there. Technically, no one had even bought a ticket for the showing at this point.

Someone else finally shows up. A middle-aged guy (think George Castanza from Seinfeld) whom decided to sit suspiciously close to me. This was one of the larger auditoriums, so it seemed a bit unnecessary. Turns out, he was real-life horror fan over the age of 17 and was just as excited to see Nightbreed as I was! He was also just as confused by the empty auditorium on opening night. We B.S.’d about horror movies until the trailers started, looked around and noticed maybe 5-10 more people managed to show up for this great and apparently secret show.

Credits role. What’s just happened? Wasn’t this supposed to be the Star Wars of all creature movies? It wasn’t that I thought the movie was bad (it wasn’t), but I was a little confused by several creature omissions from the film (front page of Fangoria!) and certain events (Breed-sicle)that were completely missing or changed. Then I started questioning myself . Did I miss some of the creatures because they were in the darkest of dark scenes? Did I blink too long?

Don’t get me wrong, I really enjoyed the movie and so did George Castanza's doppelgänger, but the whole experience felt very incomplete.

I can’t remember how long afterwards (months or years) that I read an article where Clive Barker confirmed all of my fears about the film…the studio butchered it. They cared so little about the film that they didn’t even create an original movie poster for it and just re-used the poster from Bad Dreams (distorted, but still the same poster from what I understand).

So, here we are, 24 years later if my math is correct and Shout Factory has done what had seemed to be an impossible feat. Clive once promised fans that there was another version of Nightbreed out there. Thank you Clive for sticking to your word (never doubted him) and thank you Shout Factory for making this upcoming release possible!

[returnofthemack]

I have my share of gripes about scream factory but with what we are getting from them this fall with Halloween 6 the producers cut and nightbreed the directors cut is basically a horror fans dream come true. I'm thrilled we are getting what appear to be very respectable releases for both films. I remember when scream factory first started my wish list for cliff always included Halloween 6 the producers cut and nightbreed the cabal cut and now in a few short months both releases will be in my hands and my blu ray player. For that I'm thankful.

[EvilResident]

Originally Posted by Bad Brain

***Fair warning. Potential spoilers***

I’ve been a fan of Clive Barker’s for about 25-26 years now. I can still remember how excited I was when I learned that one of my favorite author’s at the time was getting ready adapt his novella Cabal into a film. A project that was being hailed as the Star Wars of creature movies no less! I couldn’t wait for this thing to come out!

Several months had passed after reading the announcement of the film and then finally the horror magazines had full articles with pictures from the film…this looked incredible! Fangoria had a pic of a creature that had little arms coming out of both sides of its neck on the cover and the inside of the magazine had a plethora of other fantastic looking creatures too. I don't remember if Fangoria included the pic of a certain mask wearing serial killer that had someone’s head on one of his over-sized knives, but Toxic Horror did (another Starlog magazine.).

I was only 15 at the time and this film seemed like it was going to live up to all the hype that the horror community was putting into it. Clive Barker, check! Too many creatures to count, check! Wicked looking killer played by David Cronenberg, check! Danny Elfman score, check! Hot porcupine chick, check,check and check!!!

Opening day. I went to buy my ticket for whatever PG-13 film was playing at the time, snuck into Nightbreed and to my surprise…the theater was completely empty. Where the hell was everyone! This was a 7 o’clock showing in Las Vegas. How could this be?! Where were all of the horror fans over the age of 17?! Granted, I was about 30 minutes early, but I didn’t expect to be the only person there. Technically, no one had even bought a ticket for the showing at this point.

Someone else finally shows up. A middle-aged guy (think George Castanza from Seinfeld) whom decided to sit suspiciously close to me. This was one of the larger auditoriums, so it seemed a bit unnecessary. Turns out, he was real-life horror fan over the age of 17 and was just as excited to see Nightbreed as I was! He was also just as confused by the empty auditorium on opening night. We B.S.’d about horror movies until the trailers started, looked around and noticed maybe 5-10 more people managed to show up for this great and apparently secret show.

Credits role. What’s just happened? Wasn’t this supposed to be the Star Wars of all creature movies? It wasn’t that I thought the movie was bad (it wasn’t), but I was a little confused by several creature omissions from the film (front page of Fangoria!) and certain events (Breed-sicle)that were completely missing or changed. Then I started questioning myself . Did I miss some of the creatures because they were in the darkest of dark scenes? Did I blink too long?

Don’t get me wrong, I really enjoyed the movie and so did George Castanza's doppelgänger, but the whole experience felt very incomplete.

I can’t remember how long afterwards (months or years) that I read an article where Clive Barker confirmed all of my fears about the film…the studio butchered it. They cared so little about the film that they didn’t even create an original movie poster for it and just re-used the poster from Bad Dreams (distorted, but still the same poster from what I understand).

So, here we are, 24 years later if my math is correct and Shout Factory has done what had seemed to be an impossible feat. Clive once promised fans that there was another version of Nightbreed out there. Thank you Clive for sticking to your word (never doubted him) and thank you Shout Factory for making this upcoming release possible!

And this right here is why I had absolutely no qualms about spending $80 on this. It's all about the love.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Vandal Savage

This is being billed as a directors cut, so it is my hope that we will get something that resembles a completed film and not a workprint with missing dialog, a temp score that was cobbled together, and incomplete special effects.

This is my concern as well. I've been saying from the beginning that this could end up being another Superman II: The Donnor Cut, which was a rough cut-and-paste job, not a finished film.

I definitely hope this turns out better.

[shamus]

Originally Posted by Bad Brain

***Fair warning. Potential spoilers***

I’ve been a fan of Clive Barker’s for about 25-26 years now. I can still remember how excited I was when I learned that one of my favorite author’s at the time was getting ready adapt his novella Cabal into a film. A project that was being hailed as the Star Wars of creature movies no less! I couldn’t wait for this thing to come out!

Several months had passed after reading the announcement of the film and then finally the horror magazines had full articles with pictures from the film…this looked incredible! Fangoria had a pic of a creature that had little arms coming out of both sides of its neck on the cover and the inside of the magazine had a plethora of other fantastic looking creatures too. I don't remember if Fangoria included the pic of a certain mask wearing serial killer that had someone’s head on one of his over-sized knives, but Toxic Horror did (another Starlog magazine.).

I was only 15 at the time and this film seemed like it was going to live up to all the hype that the horror community was putting into it. Clive Barker, check! Too many creatures to count, check! Wicked looking killer played by David Cronenberg, check! Danny Elfman score, check! Hot porcupine chick, check,check and check!!!

Opening day. I went to buy my ticket for whatever PG-13 film was playing at the time, snuck into Nightbreed and to my surprise…the theater was completely empty. Where the hell was everyone! This was a 7 o’clock showing in Las Vegas. How could this be?! Where were all of the horror fans over the age of 17?! Granted, I was about 30 minutes early, but I didn’t expect to be the only person there. Technically, no one had even bought a ticket for the showing at this point.

Someone else finally shows up. A middle-aged guy (think George Castanza from Seinfeld) whom decided to sit suspiciously close to me. This was one of the larger auditoriums, so it seemed a bit unnecessary. Turns out, he was real-life horror fan over the age of 17 and was just as excited to see Nightbreed as I was! He was also just as confused by the empty auditorium on opening night. We B.S.’d about horror movies until the trailers started, looked around and noticed maybe 5-10 more people managed to show up for this great and apparently secret show.

Credits role. What’s just happened? Wasn’t this supposed to be the Star Wars of all creature movies? It wasn’t that I thought the movie was bad (it wasn’t), but I was a little confused by several creature omissions from the film (front page of Fangoria!) and certain events (Breed-sicle)that were completely missing or changed. Then I started questioning myself . Did I miss some of the creatures because they were in the darkest of dark scenes? Did I blink too long?

Don’t get me wrong, I really enjoyed the movie and so did George Castanza's doppelgänger, but the whole experience felt very incomplete.

I can’t remember how long afterwards (months or years) that I read an article where Clive Barker confirmed all of my fears about the film…the studio butchered it. They cared so little about the film that they didn’t even create an original movie poster for it and just re-used the poster from Bad Dreams (distorted, but still the same poster from what I understand).

So, here we are, 24 years later if my math is correct and Shout Factory has done what had seemed to be an impossible feat. Clive once promised fans that there was another version of Nightbreed out there. Thank you Clive for sticking to your word (never doubted him) and thank you Shout Factory for making this upcoming release possible!

I really hope this lives up to the hype!

[RedIsNotBlue]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

This is my concern as well. I've been saying from the beginning that this could end up being another Superman II: The Donnor Cut, which was a rough cut-and-paste job, not a finished film.

I definitely hope this turns out better.

I hope they leave out the scene where Cabal throws a giant cellophane C to mildly annoy Dr. Decker.

[EvilResident]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

This is my concern as well. I've been saying from the beginning that this could end up being another Superman II: The Donnor Cut, which was a rough cut-and-paste job, not a finished film.

I definitely hope this turns out better.

You just can not please some people. Wow. The fact that we have a completely watchable version of that cut should be more than enough after so much time. Jesus.

[uncledougie]

Often restorations cannot live up to what the original finished and polished film would have looked like simply because the elements are damaged or lost, and sometimes if unlike this release the director is no longer with us, such as Orson Welles with Touch of Evil, dedicated technicians who love the film in question go by their best guesses on the reconstruction. Even if the director is alive and supervising, he can only work with whatever remaining film and audio as can be found. In the case of Nightbreed, it is fortunate indeed that evidently most of the lost footage somehow survived and can be put back in. Even if some of the scenes are arguably better excised in some critics' opinions, whatever the filmmaker's vision was or is (or as close to it as can be approximated) should be the ultimate goal.

[Cactus]

People are talking about the quality here... It's been clear from the beginning that parts of this is VHS sourced. That's what you should be expecting, and nothing else.

Also regarding the 5k vs 10k thing, all I hear is "waah wahh, I'm not special". If they had gone with 10k from the beginning at $80, then what? You wouldn't have your panties in a bunch, that's what.

[Randall Flagg]

Originally Posted by Cactus

People are talking about the quality here... It's been clear from the beginning that parts of this is VHS sourced. That's what you should be expecting, and nothing else.

Also regarding the 5k vs 10k thing, all I hear is "waah wahh, I'm not special". If they had gone with 10k from the beginning at $80, then what? You wouldn't have your panties in a bunch, that's what.

I thought they found better elements than the VHS sources?

[cash_black]

Originally Posted by Randall Flagg

I thought they found better elements than the VHS sources?

they have, they found film elements to replace the vhs elements used i the cabal cut.