Nightbreed: The Director's Cut (1990) (Limited Edition - SOLD OUT)

[EvilResident]

Originally Posted by Blu MacReady

I'm not ordering from shout? You're able to read AND digest what's written, right?

I don't have to worry about money so yeah I'm happy to buy it from amazon.

Pointing out the facts and not being blinded by a love for a company just because they release films I like doesn't make me a sucker. The title which was advertised as $80 to own one of 5000, is no longer. To point out the bait and switch scam is totally justified.

Choosing not to buy a title I want, just because some scam company have overpriced it, is pointless. What stand does that make? They going to not produce it cause I won't buy it? They'll still produce and sell it cause there are plenty of fools who'll happily pay them $80 direct, as they've managed to convince some weak minded, that it supports them and helps them to give their fans what they want.... They listen lol. Who misses out? Me for not picking up a cheaper copy elsewhere, how fruitless is that idea chump? Oh no wait, I should wait a year or so for an international release, smart idea. Thanks for that.

I'm pointing out facts. They justified the $80 cause of all the hard work and time blah blah blah (same version also released $24.99) they limited it to 5k. That is what you are buying - own one of 5k ltd edition $80. Wasn't $80 to own one of 10k, more once that's sold. Maybe they'll listen again and run out another 5k but cause it's want their loyal fans want it's ok - they're not really your friends. It's a scam.

It's only suckers who can't see that or believe they are doing this for their fans. If I had ordered direct and paid $80 you'd be right I'd be a sucker, they also take the money up front from what others have posted (another scam, why hold someone else money for 3 months?)

If they had reduced the $80 price, which was justified for a 5k run, once they announced they were devaluing the limitedness. Fine. Maybe not numbered the next set of 5k. Or if they had started of with 10k, again no problem. But they haven't although they do care, very caring and listening. It's a scam

The money is only held by Shout up front if you use Paypal. I ordered mine with my VISA and there was a temporary charge to make sure the funds were there but it disappears after a few days. Most companies that aren't Amazon do this.

Also, this thread has become absolutely terrible. I used to get excited to read but now it's just sad.

[David A.]

Originally Posted by Blu MacReady

I'm pointing out facts. They justified the $80 cause of all the hard work and time blah blah blah (same version also released $24.99) they limited it to 5k. That is what you are buying - own one of 5k ltd edition $80. Wasn't $80 to own one of 10k, more once that's sold. Maybe they'll listen again and run out another 5k but cause it's want their loyal fans want it's ok - they're not really your friends. It's a scam.

It's only suckers who can't see that or believe they are doing this for their fans. If I had ordered direct and paid $80 you'd be right I'd be a sucker, they also take the money up front from what others have posted (another scam, why hold someone else money for 3 months?)

If they had reduced the $80 price, which was justified for a 5k run, once they announced they were devaluing the limitedness. Fine. Maybe not numbered the next set of 5k. Or if they had started of with 10k, again no problem. But they haven't although they do care, very caring and listening. It's a scam

I certainly didn't buy it because only 5000 were made, which is already a hefty number. I bought the expensive set because it includes a new HD transfer of the director’s cut, and a good portion of that expense goes to WB for licensing them the theatrical cut. I bought it from Shout because I want the poster and the opportunity to see it sooner. The vast majority of fans at Occupy Midian did the same thing.

I really don't understand the so called 5000 vs. 10,000 number controversy because the title hasn’t shipped yet. Anyone who really bought it because the number was 5000 can cancel the pre-order, right? The only people hurt by this are the few die-hard fans who panicked and bought one of those $150 copies from eBay. I guess it also hurts people who bought it only to sell later at inflated prices, but who cares about them?

[Ray O. Blu]

Originally Posted by David A.

I certainly didn't buy it because only 5000 were made, which is already a hefty number. I bought the expensive set because it includes a new HD transfer of the director’s cut, and a good portion of that expense goes to WB for licensing them the theatrical cut. I bought it from Shout because I want the poster and the opportunity to see it sooner. The vast majority of fans at Occupy Midian did the same thing.

I really don't understand the so called 5000 vs. 10,000 number controversy because the title hasn’t shipped yet. Anyone who really bought it because the number was 5000 can cancel the pre-order, right? The only people hurt by this are the few die-hard fans who panicked and bought one of those $150 copies from eBay. I guess it also hurts people who bought it only to sell later at inflated prices, but who cares about them?

Great post.

The price and the quantity are both very high.
In the realm of "Limited Edition" Blu-rays, 5,000 is a very high number.
Twilight Time does 3,000 print runs and I have many "Limited Edition" Blu-rays that are 2,000, 1,000, & several hundred print runs.

I just don't see anything about this set that justifies an $80 price. It should be $35 or $40 max for what is included.

[Blu MacReady]

Originally Posted by EvilResident

The money is only held by Shout up front if you use Paypal. I ordered mine with my VISA and there was a temporary charge to make sure the funds were there but it disappears after a few days. Most companies that aren't Amazon do this.

Also, this thread has become absolutely terrible. I used to get excited to read but now it's just sad.

Well that's wrong. I mainly read and post on here for general info, chat about movies and releases. I did get drawn into a petty argument when someone called me out from their upon high throne.

I'm not here to stop anyone's enjoyment of this site. So I'm sorry for that. I'm no troll, I won't be continuing with the argument.

Let's just get excited we'll soon have both versions of Nightbreed in HD, one which no one has ever seen

[Blu MacReady]

Is there a date noted for confirmed info on the extras each release of this will get?

I'm right in thinking the 3 disc set has exclusive extras?

[cash_black]

Originally Posted by Hypnosifl

That's exactly what Cliff said they might have to do in the podcast, did you listen to it? Again it depends on whether Clive Barker wants to use any of the non-Cabal-Cut scenes in his director's cut or just put them in the deleted scenes section.

Yes , I heard, but am saying there won't be any

[tommynorcal]

I thought bait and switch only applied to items that are physically available and not incompleted pre-orders where your money is basically still in your wallets. It's got to be exhausting feeling persecuted every time you are given an option to purchase an item.

Keyword: option

[tommynorcal]

It's literally not a bait and switch

"Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud used in retail sales but also employed in other contexts. First, customers are "baited" by merchants' advertising products or services at a low price, but when customers visit the store, they discover that the advertised goods are not available, or the customers are pressured by sales people to consider similar, but higher priced items ("switching")."

The price is the same, nobody is advertising something that doesn't exist. Since the product isn't even being distributed yet, they are well within a period to subject change. They simply amended the amount distributed. Bait and switch would only apply if they said they only had 5000, sold them and took money without the option to cancel, and then pressed 5000 more at $100 a pop while still advertising 5000 as the total they have. Even that scenario is loose, but it's obvious that it's not realistic.

Now can we all stop calling this a bait and switch?

[Bumblefeet]

Originally Posted by Blu MacReady

Well that's wrong. I mainly read and post on here for general info, chat about movies and releases. I did get drawn into a petty argument when someone called me out from their upon high throne.

I'm not here to stop anyone's enjoyment of this site. So I'm sorry for that. I'm no troll, I won't be continuing with the argument.

Let's just get excited we'll soon have both versions of Nightbreed in HD, one which no one has ever seen

I also look forward to both versions and let's leave it at that.

[EvilResident]

Originally Posted by David A.

I certainly didn't buy it because only 5000 were made, which is already a hefty number. I bought the expensive set because it includes a new HD transfer of the director’s cut, and a good portion of that expense goes to WB for licensing them the theatrical cut. I bought it from Shout because I want the poster and the opportunity to see it sooner. The vast majority of fans at Occupy Midian did the same thing.

I really don't understand the so called 5000 vs. 10,000 number controversy because the title hasn’t shipped yet. Anyone who really bought it because the number was 5000 can cancel the pre-order, right? The only people hurt by this are the few die-hard fans who panicked and bought one of those $150 copies from eBay. I guess it also hurts people who bought it only to sell later at inflated prices, but who cares about them?

Post of the day. I'm just so happy to be able to have both cuts and the bonuses. I'm glad to have ordered from Shout because I get it two weeks early. The fact that it'll be in the first 1000 is a fun side bonus that I can smugly enjoy on my own.

[Blu MacReady]

Originally Posted by tommynorcal

It's literally not a bait and switch

"Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud used in retail sales but also employed in other contexts. First, customers are "baited" by merchants' advertising products or services at a low price, but when customers visit the store, they discover that the advertised goods are not available, or the customers are pressured by sales people to consider similar, but higher priced items ("switching")."

The price is the same, nobody is advertising something that doesn't exist. Since the product isn't even being distributed yet, they are well within a period to subject change. They simply amended the amount distributed. Bait and switch would only apply if they said they only had 5000, sold them and took money without the option to cancel, and then pressed 5000 more at $100 a pop while still advertising 5000 as the total they have. Even that scenario is loose, but it's obvious that it's not realistic.

Now can we all stop calling this a bait and switch?

Taken from first post, the advertisement.
LIMITED EDITION SET:

Only 5,000 numbered sets produced

This above to own one of these 5k is $80. A high price for a single movie, although two versions. But it's a limited number set.


It's now 10000, but that less limited, less rare item will cost....$80

I see a bait and then a switch. Call it what you like. I mean it was obvious the amount of fans and this midian group pushing for this release was only a ceiling of 5000 people right, it must have been a huge shock for Scream that more wanted it..

I'm no longer interested in arguing. I'm more than happy with the price I've preordered at through amazon and have zero interest in numbered sets. I'm glad I'll own a copy of this movie I like and enjoy, plus a new unseen version at a price I'm ok with.

[PuppetMasterBlu]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

After expanding the limit number from 5,000 to 10,000, you would think Amazon would have relisted this as being available again by now, especially considering how fast the first 5,000 sold out. Wouldn't it be better to strike while the fire is hot?

But not only is it still unavailable, but they removed the cover image from the original listing. I'm starting to wonder if there have been a significant number of cancellations for this after the limit number expanded, and now this is causing concerns with Amazon.

Or Shout wants everyone to buy directly from them. Not only is it 80 bucks but they get to keep it all.

[Blu MacReady]

Originally Posted by Bumblefeet

I also look forward to both versions and let's leave it at that.

Cool. We're all fans of this movie, blu ray, horror etc. no need to argue and ruin up a thread.

Glad you've got your copy reserved and are happy. Have a top evening

[biosquid2]

Originally Posted by cash_black

Yes , I heard, but am saying there won't be any

I admire your confidence.

[tommynorcal]

Originally Posted by Blu MacReady

Taken from first post, the advertisement.
LIMITED EDITION SET:

Only 5,000 numbered sets produced

This above to own one of these 5k is $80. A high price for a single movie, although two versions. But it's a limited number set.


It's now 10000, but that less limited, less rare item will cost....$80

I see a bait and then a switch. Call it what you like. I mean it was obvious the amount of fans and this midian group pushing for this release was only a ceiling of 5000 people right, it must have been a huge shock for Scream that more wanted it..

I'm no longer interested in arguing. I'm more than happy with the price I've preordered at through amazon and have zero interest in numbered sets. I'm glad I'll own a copy of this movie I like and enjoy, plus a new unseen version at a price I'm ok with.

So you're done listening to the actual definition and still want to call it that. You do you, whatever makes you feel better. I mean the circumstances behind the only reason it was limited changed before the final product is even pressed. How dare they adjust the product that isn't physically being sold yet.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by PuppetMasterBlu

Or Shout wants everyone to buy directly from them. Not only is it 80 bucks but they get to keep it all.

Which is just another of their silly miscalculations on this title, as the only reason folks flocked to them at the end was because it was the last reputable site to have it offered. I doubt many folks decided to pay the extra $25 with them just for a little poster when other choices were available.

Even if it takes awhile, they will eventually have to release more copies to Amazon, as between the cancellations and the new edition size I don't see how they can't unless they want to be stuck with a ton of copies of this now.

[RedIsNotBlue]

That's the only thing that confuses me right now is to why Amazon isn't even taking more pre-orders at this point? It's been over a week since they upped it to 10,000 units.

[Blu MacReady]

Originally Posted by tommynorcal

So you're done listening to the actual definition and still want to call it that. You do you, whatever makes you feel better. I mean the circumstances behind the only reason it was limited changed before the final product is even pressed. How dare they adjust the product that isn't physically being sold yet.

what? It's factual in black and white. Are you suggesting they could change it back to 5k as it's not yet released and turn the set back to its original marketing press release of being limited to 5000?

Released or not, goalposts have been moved from the initial lure. That's a fact. There is no reduction in the price although it will be doubled in circulation, at the moment.

Rather talk about the film and the extra content, the difference between the two releases

[biosquid2]

Originally Posted by tommynorcal

It's literally not a bait and switch

"Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud used in retail sales but also employed in other contexts. First, customers are "baited" by merchants' advertising products or services at a low price, but when customers visit the store, they discover that the advertised goods are not available, or the customers are pressured by sales people to consider similar, but higher priced items ("switching")."

The price is the same, nobody is advertising something that doesn't exist. Since the product isn't even being distributed yet, they are well within a period to subject change. They simply amended the amount distributed. Bait and switch would only apply if they said they only had 5000, sold them and took money without the option to cancel, and then pressed 5000 more at $100 a pop while still advertising 5000 as the total they have. Even that scenario is loose, but it's obvious that it's not realistic.

Now can we all stop calling this a bait and switch?

bait-and-switch:

The action (generally illegal) of advertising goods that are an apparent bargain, with the intention of substituting inferior or more expensive goods.

I believe Blu MacReady was going by this (personally, I don't find the product inferior because it's no longer limited to 5,000). However, I don't consider Shout! Factory's move a bait-and-switch, since I don't feel substituting inferior product was their intention. The product is in early pre-order status. They increased the run to 10,000 and their site has been updated to reflect that. Though, Shout! Factory should have committed to their marketing; it's what consumers have to go by, and when they renege on that, trust is lost.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

That's the only thing that confuses me right now is to why Amazon isn't even taking more pre-orders at this point? It's been over a week since they upped it to 10,000 units.

It could be any number of things. My wager would be on Amazon may not have been offered any more copies yet, as of course Shout wants folks to order directly from them since they stand to make double on each one, between not having to share the profit with Amazon and getting full retail price of $80.