Jurassic Park Collection 4K UHD (1993-2015)

[bradnoyes]

Originally Posted by spidervenom1992

[Show spoiler]Challenge accepted. JP is the reason you're a film critic, eh? It's the reason I exist. In all seriousness, though, the biggest fan I think I've ever seen is the guy who runs the Jurassic Collectables YouTube channel. He buys EVERYTHING Jurassic Park, even products that aren't a part of the line but have taken obvious inspiration from the franchise. He even somehow owns the original Samuel L. Jackson prop arm and leg from his "death" in the film.



Apologies, I think I was conflating your individual reviews of each movie's picture quality. It's not that I thought it was going to blow my eyes off, moreso that it just appeared very dim to me. These images from earlier in the thread are a good indication of what I mean.



Understand, I'm not claiming that the Blu-ray was more accurate (as is the common debate around here), but I think these frames speak for themselves. In the above image, the helicopter is fully visible and appears to be traveling at midday or in the afternoon. In the 4K image, much of the machine is in shadow and it appears to be traveling at dusk. This is a good indication of the majority of my experience with this transfer. Again, I'm aware that it's more accurate to the original negative and that the older transfer had too much contrast, but I was taken aback that so many details I was used to seeing clearly were obscured by shadow on this new disc. For the record I was watching on a Sony 900E with playback from a UBP-X700. I have almost every setting switched completely off to get the most accurate image, with the backlight at 100 (contrast is at 90 and brightness is at 50, as recommended by a few websites for this model).

Haven't had a chance to watch these yet but give me that bottom image all day long.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by spidervenom1992

, I'm not claiming that the Blu-ray was more accurate (as is the common debate around here), but I think these frames speak for themselves. In the above image, the helicopter is fully visible and appears to be traveling at midday or in the afternoon. In the 4K image, much of the machine is in shadow and it appears to be traveling at dusk. This is a good indication of the majority of my experience with this transfer. Again, I'm aware that it's more accurate to the original negative and that the older transfer had too much contrast, but I was taken aback that so many details I was used to seeing clearly were obscured by shadow on this new disc. For the record I was watching on a Sony 900E with playback from a UBP-X700. I have almost every setting switched completely off to get the most accurate image, with the backlight at 100 (contrast is at 90 and brightness is at 50, as recommended by a few websites for this model).

Most hdr movies are the same way. If you look at the screen shot thread, the BD usually appears brighter although the details are still visible in the hdr versions. I think too that the overall richness and more saturated picture makes it appear darker. The lightened colors of the BD makes it seem brighter. That's why I always advise people to get the brightest TV they can to help compensate this. The picture on my 1st hdr tv was very dark for hdr.

[jh901]

Originally Posted by solid12345

I've poured alot of money into my blu-ray collection over the years, and only now upgraded to a 4K TV.

Many of your 1080P Blu will remain relevant for years.

Originally Posted by solid12345

If you don't own the movies already then yeah this set is killer, but it's not enough to make me plop down 60 dollars and throw away my old movies.

It's $50 street and will go on sale periodically. That's 4 films.

Originally Posted by solid12345

The format is risking becoming another SACD.

SACD, hi-res PCM, and DSD are successful as niche options for audiophiles. I have a few hundred SACDs and add to that every year. I know the names of the top mastering engineers and I have a decent music collection, so I know what I'm doing. The format remains relevant for the passionate few.


That said, I get your point. I simply disagree. 4K physical isn't going anywhere. Hopefully, the next consumer format will be very similar to what commercial theaters get.


Finally, I believe DVD remains the biggest seller. And I'll bet you can find people who truly believe they are as passionate about image quality as anyone who stand by DVD as all anyone needs. 4K doesn't need to be King for everyone. Just us.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by Alfred E. Neumann

Old Blu-ray vs 4k UHD
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It's nice to see the sharpening and noise gone but this new transfer looks so disappointing.

Not gonna lie I was expecting better.

It sucks that they didn't go back to the original warmer colour timing of the theatrical prints.

Before anyone says anything...

Yes I have seen an original 35mm print and I can tell right now that the UHD isn't very accurate.

The colour timing is too "natural looking".

Colourwise the 3D BD is the closest to the original colour palette but it's not perfect either.

Also they've messed up the framing again. It's still too tight!

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by spidervenom1992

That's not how it looks on my TV AT ALL.

[Geoff D]

Mine neither, that's just the camera's exposure killing the side of da choppah and turning it into solid black. If that's what people are actually seeing on their own TVs then something's wrong somewhere.

[bradnoyes]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

That's not how it looks on my TV AT ALL.

Same. I won't have time to watch these until this weekend but out of curiosity I popped in JP to check out that scene and it didn't look like that at all. Again, I actually prefer the bottom pic to the top pic, but I vastly prefer what I saw on my TV to both of them.

[Legend293]

Damn. So they didnt bother to get rid of the grain for jurassic world.

[Geoff D]

No, thank God. We (well, most of us ) can enjoy all that grainy magnificence, and as that show was scanned directly from the negatives for the DI and also projected digitally we don't have to second guess how it would've looked when refracted through multiple print generations. Hurrah!

[The Fallen Deity]

Why is is there so much grain hate in these UHD threads?

What year is it... 2008?!



This is going to send the studios the wrong message guys.

[Geoff D]

The grain haters never went away, TFD. They just kinda laid low, bided their time and now they're back...with a vengeance.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The grain haters never went away, TFD. They just kinda laid low, bided their time and now they're back...with a vengeance.

[solid12345]

Originally Posted by jh901

Finally, I believe DVD remains the biggest seller. And I'll bet you can find people who truly believe they are as passionate about image quality as anyone who stand by DVD as all anyone needs. 4K doesn't need to be King for everyone. Just us.

I think you misunderstand me, i'm not knocking 4k as a format, I WANT to buy 4K. I work for a printing company so I have an eye for color and HDR is definitely the killer upgrade more than even resolution. I'm just saying though for me to go out and re-buy a movie I already own on 1080p, it better be a damn good transfer and not a half-assed one which is what this set looks like based on what i'm seeing in the thread. And it seems i'm already finding as a new customer alot of 4K titles on the market are also pretty half-assed with upscaled 2K transfers and the like. I can do math, 2K specs are only 128 pixels wider than 1080p but to an average consumer who doesn't read specifications, 2K sounds "twice" as good as 1080p so they blindly accept its banality. And when you buy a decent name-brand TV with a good upscaler, it makes it even harder to justify buying a 2k movie masquerading as 4k.

All I want is for the format to actually be about quality instead of more junk being pushed, it's like early DVD all over again with poor transfers that even laserdisc looked better in some cases. It's sad we literally have a site dedicated to "real" or "fake" 4k, I feel like i'm researching a receiver when buying a movie now!

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

That's not how it looks on my TV AT ALL.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Mine neither, that's just the camera's exposure killing the side of da choppah and turning it into solid black. If that's what people are actually seeing on their own TVs then something's wrong somewhere.

Don't worry, that's not how it looks on MY tv either lol that's why I specifically said when I posted them that they were camera crushed it was just an example to show that there IS a difference in saturation and 3 dimensionality helped out by HDR and WCG (the choppa has more separation from the background where it looks to be about the same on the SDR version).

SDR image:


original HDR shot from above:




heres the same shot from a different angle with the camera from the same distance, more details are picked up (hdr):




And heres a shot from about 3 feet further back, you can see more details here but it still cant capture the detail inside the choppa (hdr):

[Johnzilla2179]

Pardon me, folks, I misspoke a bit: it's not so much that those images are perfect representations of what I'm seeing, it's more that they're good examples of how much darker I feel the image is in regards to shadow. But I freely admit, as I have previously, that my perception might be due to a combination of the HDR and a different master than I've been watching for the last two decades, 4K or not. It just looks so different that it took me off guard. Maybe I need a few more viewings to adjust

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by spidervenom1992

Pardon me, folks, I misspoke a bit: it's not so much that those images are perfect representations of what I'm seeing, it's more that they're good examples of how much darker I feel the image is in regards to shadow. But I freely admit, as I have previously, that my perception might be due to a combination of the HDR and a different master than I've been watching for the last two decades, 4K or not. It just looks so different that it took me off guard. Maybe I need a few more viewings to adjust

what tv do you have? its possible that if your tv is very low nit, HDR will come off as crushed and you wont be able to see much into the shadows as you would for SDR. I had this problem on my 1st HDR tv.

[Mierzwiak]

Few quick notes:

Jurassic Park III looks FUGLY. It was never a good looking movie, with its lifeless colors and uneven cinematography, but yuck! It might be just a little bit better than the Blu-ray, but it doesn't look like Universal put any special effort into this.

Jurassic World on the other hand looks AMAZING. Gone is the ugly teal/blue tint from BD!

[Johnzilla2179]

Originally Posted by ray0414

what tv do you have? its possible that if your tv is very low nit, HDR will come off as crushed and you wont be able to see much into the shadows as you would for SDR. I had this problem on my 1st HDR tv.

Sony 900E with a UBP-X700 for discs.

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

Few quick notes:

Jurassic Park III looks FUGLY. It was never a good looking movie, with its lifeless colors and uneven cinematography, but yuck! It might be just a little bit better than the Blu-ray, but it doesn't look like Universal put any special effort into this.

Jurassic World on the other hand looks AMAZING. Gone is the ugly teal/blue tint from BD!

They probably didn't put any effort into it since the third film was kind of a mess, wasn't directed by Spielberg, and is the lowest grossing JP film to date. I get that it has its fans, though.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

Few quick notes:

Jurassic Park III looks FUGLY. It was never a good looking movie, with its lifeless colors and uneven cinematography, but yuck! It might be just a little bit better than the Blu-ray, but it doesn't look like Universal put any special effort into this.

Jurassic World on the other hand looks AMAZING. Gone is the ugly teal/blue tint from BD!

I thought 3 looked beautiful back when I saw it in the theater. It's always looked awful on home video though. Tsk tsk Universal!

[eChopper]

Universal should just licence their titles out to someone who actually gives a shit

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