Ancient Aliens Season 1

[Mavrick]

This has always been one of the most intresting to me. I guess because it is relitively modern.

History Channel: Mystery of CORAL CASTLE (Ancient Aliens) - YouTube

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

Exactly, the government is either really good at making people think it's stupid, or they are actually really stupid.

Both of my sons work for the government, after graduating from the United States Military Academy at West Point. This school is widely considered to be in the top four schools in the United States.

They've both done tours in Iraq, Kuwait, and now the oldest is in Afghanistan; his younger brother will join him later this year.

They're not stupid. They've also worked with every intelligence agency and Special Forces team that's worked in these areas, and those folks aren't stupid, either.

It takes a deep lack of judgement to conclude that thousands of men and women, just like them, went to all this effort to kill thousands of innocent Americans.

Like everyone, I've seen branches of government do things they should not have done, for reasons that were distinct from logic. Generally, these decisions were made by a relatively small group, and never is it successfully kept secret.

For a HUGE group of people to hide the truth for a decade defies reason, logic, and and well-known facts.

There are people out there, right now, and every day, by the hundreds of thousands, who are willing to give their lives for you, and they don't even know your name or anything about you.

It does not honor them to say what you're saying. Perhaps, for you, it's fun. What they do is not fun.

They believe in your innate goodness, far more than you believe in theirs.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

Both of my sons work for the government, after graduating from the United States Military Academy at West Point. This school is widely considered to be in the top four schools in the United States.

They've both done tours in Iraq, Kuwait, and now the oldest is in Afghanistan; his younger brother will join him later this year.

They're not stupid. They've also worked with every intelligence agency and Special Forces team that's worked in these areas, and those folks aren't stupid, either.

It takes a deep lack of judgement to conclude that thousands of men and women, just like them, went to all this effort to kill thousands of innocent Americans.

Like everyone, I've seen branches of government do things they should not have done, for reasons that were distinct from logic. Generally, these decisions were made by a relatively small group, and never is it successfully kept secret.

For a HUGE group of people to hide the truth for a decade defies reason, logic, and and well-known facts.

There are people out there, right now, and every day, by the hundreds of thousands, who are willing to give their lives for you, and they don't even know your name or anything about you.

It does not honor them to say what you're saying. Perhaps, for you, it's fun. What they do is not fun.

They believe in your innate goodness, far more than you believe in theirs.

Let me clarify that my statement about governments being incompetant was directed towards useless buracrats not our troops. I honor your sons service

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Well supported

No conspiracy at all just an accurate representation of many statements. Ironically Al Queda told Imanutjob to cut it out cause they want credit

So is my FBI list error http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1559151.stm

I don't just pull this stuff out of my arse

I am not a "truther" I just read a lot. I don't stand by either side as both are as extreme as the other. And I don't like extremists.

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

Both of my sons work for the government, after graduating from the United States Military Academy at West Point. This school is widely considered to be in the top four schools in the United States.

They've both done tours in Iraq, Kuwait, and now the oldest is in Afghanistan; his younger brother will join him later this year.

They're not stupid. They've also worked with every intelligence agency and Special Forces team that's worked in these areas, and those folks aren't stupid, either.

It takes a deep lack of judgement to conclude that thousands of men and women, just like them, went to all this effort to kill thousands of innocent Americans.

Like everyone, I've seen branches of government do things they should not have done, for reasons that were distinct from logic. Generally, these decisions were made by a relatively small group, and never is it successfully kept secret.

For a HUGE group of people to hide the truth for a decade defies reason, logic, and and well-known facts.

There are people out there, right now, and every day, by the hundreds of thousands, who are willing to give their lives for you, and they don't even know your name or anything about you.

It does not honor them to say what you're saying. Perhaps, for you, it's fun. What they do is not fun.

They believe in your innate goodness, far more than you believe in theirs.

I'm sorry if my comment came across the wrong way. But I was replying to Jimmy Smith about Governments being incompetant. It was meant in a sarcastic way. As such I stand by Governments as being quite competant.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by AdotTwizzle

I'm not saying that our ancient civilizations didn't build them, but with no indication that they had machinery or technology to accomplish this, it is not illogical to suggest that there was assistance by someone more advanced. Whether that be someone not of this earth or someone extremely advanced on earth that just happened to vanish without a trace.

It's intensely illogical to suggest that some non-humans, more advanced than they, assisted in this. It fails the logic test because their is zero evidence that this happened. There is plenty of evidence how people moved huge stones, cut them accurately, and raised them into position at various sites; this evidence is carefully excised from gee-whiz "they couldn't have been that bright" shows like the Von Daniken sideshows.

There is a huge audience for armchair extrapolation, replacing "gods" with "aliens", and there always will be. It's a sad thing - that today's audience for this garbage will use technology they don't understand - televisions, telephones, microwave ovens, automobile automatic transmissions, lasers in Blu-Ray players - and state how someone who figured it out, did the work, and passed on that knowledge since time immemorial simply couldn't have been that intelligent.

Take a trip to Europe. Go see a castle, a thousand years old. Then talk to anyone from the area about how it was done, and he or she will explain it.

It's old news.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by happydood

The real threat being Muslims' ability to practice their religion in a country whose constitution protects it?! I jumped into this thread because I think the subject is a hoot and nothing more. But willful ignorance on the other side of the coin makes my heart and my belief in America hurt.

Not what I said. Im no fan of any religon but I fully endorse your constitutional right to worship anything you want.

I do however am a strong opponent of Islamic attempts at special treatment (such as taxpayer paid footbaths and requiring private employers to accept headscarfs) and Islamic attempts to censor programing that offend them like what happened to South Park

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

I'm sorry if my comment came across the wrong way. But I was replying to Jimmy Smith about Governments being incompetant. It was meant in a sarcastic way. As such I stand by Governments as being quite competant.

No problem, it's just that "the government is stupid, evil, whatever" is so common now, it's just become an oft-repeated lie that has no connection to the truth.

In thirty seconds, we could all come up with something that a government entity, or someone who works for government, did that made no sense.

In the same amount of time, we could come up with things government people did, and still do, that is absolutely going to generate applause.

The haters and conspiracy theorists are counting on that hatred to make up incredibly baseless theories about the limitless evil of government. I'm basically fed up with it. Find the bad tooth and fill it or yank it, but saying that several thousand people intentionally murdered everyone in those towers, blew up the Pentagon, and killed all the people in the plane at Shanksville, is vicious and evil.

Stop giving the attention-getters the attention. We have murderers to catch, and they don't work for government. It's gone beyond bizarre.

This environment is set up by losers like Von Daniken. Cut him loose, too.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Personally I think many conspiracy wackjobs know this full well and are simply spreading these lies in order to help the spread of Islam into the west. Numerous Islamic governments have been spreading 9/11 conspiracy theroys and such things are very popular in the Islamic world. All in an attempt to have us take our eye off the real threat

This lunacy has nothing to do with Islam. It never did. It has everything to do with bad people using religion, a terrible situation as old as religion itself.

[Mavrick]

But when these megalithic stones can weigh upto 8000tons It's hard for the mind to imagine how a society that long ago could have moved such structures.

Our biggest crane today only has a lift weight capacity of 1200tons. And that thing is a beast!

Castles, sure. We have one not even ten minutes from our house, and another 30mins away, but they are made up of stone way, way smaller and lighter than some of the structures that were made 1000s of years before them.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

But when these megalithic stones can weigh upto 8000tons It's hard for the mind to imagine how a society that long ago could have moved such structures.

Our biggest crane today only has a lift weight capacity of 1200tons. And that thing is a beast!

Castles, sure. We have one not even ten minutes from our house, and another 30mins away, but they are made up of stone way, way smaller and lighter than some of the structures that were made 1000s of years before them.

This should explain it

Here is how construction went on in the ancient world. No it was not a pretty picture. Sheer manpower moved these structures.

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

No problem, it's just that "the government is stupid, evil, whatever" is so common now, it's just become an oft-repeated lie that has no connection to the truth.

In thirty seconds, we could all come up with something that a government entity, or someone who works for government, did that made no sense.

In the same amount of time, we could come up with things government people did, and still do, that is absolutely going to generate applause.

The haters and conspiracy theorists are counting on that hatred to make up incredibly baseless theories about the limitless evil of government. I'm basically fed up with it. Find the bad tooth and fill it or yank it, but saying that several thousand people intentionally murdered everyone in those towers, blew up the Pentagon, and killed all the people in the plane at Shanksville, is vicious and evil.

Stop giving the attention-getters the attention. We have murderers to catch, and they don't work for government. It's gone beyond bizarre.

This environment is set up by losers like Von Daniken. Cut him loose, too.

The only people I have an issue with are the big cats behind the global banking system. Maybe I should change that to the only thing I have an issue with is greed. The way money works is just crazy. I've read books about the banking system, and I've seen documentries about the banking system. And they have caused some of the worst depressions we've seen. And we seem to be heading in thesame direction.

It happend in the 30's and I can see it coming again. What's been happening the last few years is just the begining. The real depression is still to come. But I really do hope it's not.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

The only people I have an issue with are the big cats behind the global banking system. Maybe I should change that to the only thing I have an issue with is greed. The way money works is just crazy. I've read books about the banking system, and I've seen documentries about the banking system. And they have caused some of the worst depressions we've seen. And we seem to be heading in thesame direction.

It happend in the 30's and I can see it coming again. What's been happening the last few years is just the begining. The real depression is still to come. But I really do hope it's not.

One bank The Federal Reserve is responsible for all depressions. Market Crashes happen when the Fed manipulates the money supply. Artificially creating credit out of thin air and lowering interest rates to unrealistic levels encourages foolish investment

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

One bank The Federal Reserve is responsible for all depressions. Market Crashes happen when the Fed manipulates the money supply. Artificially creating credit out of thin air and lowering interest rates to unrealistic levels encourages foolish investment

Yes. Thats exactly what I've read. If all debt was paid off then there would not be a single $ left in the world. It's quite scary how much control one group has over the world.

[Nielsb90]

Originally Posted by neoz

Wow I guess the smiley face didn't do it for people...Jesus everyone is so serious on the internet...lol

Anyway dear A&E....waiting for season Two on blu ray please.....Thanks.

And I agree with you Mavrick some of the stuff that has been carved with fine detail amazes me. I mean something is up...

Lol I had no idea you were joking Sorry bout that..

Anyway - a lot of you say that ancient Egyptians wouldn't be able to build the pyramids as precisely as they did.. How do you explain the rough looking, no-where near perfect pyramids, centuries older than the most popular ones? Noone has refered to my earlier post, but I'll repeat myself and once again ask why it wouldn't be a result of thousands of years of practice? If aliens were involved then they should all look perfect, no

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

This lunacy has nothing to do with Islam. It never did. It has everything to do with bad people using religion, a terrible situation as old as religion itself.

+1,000! People need to seperate religion and extremism... No religion is evil, but people sure do abuse it..

[happydood]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Not what I said. Im no fan of any religon but I fully endorse your constitutional right to worship anything you want.

I do however am a strong opponent of Islamic attempts at special treatment (such as taxpayer paid footbaths and requiring private employers to accept headscarfs) and Islamic attempts to censor programing that offend them like what happened to South Park

Apologies, then, if I misunderstood, but you've got to remember when referring to the 'spread of Islam' in blanket terms as an agenda that treats Muslims as if they are one MUSLIM, regardless of its context in the conspiracy theory debate, it leads to generalizations.

And I'm not a fan of being politically correct, necessarily. Just want to point out that it's easy to forget how much Christianity has dominated American culture since mass media began grossly misrepresenting what the Constitution intended.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

This lunacy has nothing to do with Islam. It never did. It has everything to do with bad people using religion, a terrible situation as old as religion itself.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them"

Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Religon

[Mavrick]

Ok, I dunno about Aliens helping, but if they did I'm sure they would have only provided the tools and knowledge how to use them, of course human error comes in to play

But on a serious note. All these pyramids popped up around the world in similar design and layout all pretty much at the same time.

It would be pretty cool to know how all these cultures came up with the same ideas at around the same time as each other even though they couldnt have been in contact with each other.

We have the well known Mayan Pyramids in Mexico


Egypt of course


Underwater pyramid in Japan


Mound pyramids of NA


China










Italy: They are the first pyramids ever discovered in Italy and the dimensions are quite impressive; the highest pyramid is 150 meters tall. They are stone buildings, as recent excavations have proved. However, they are now completely covered by ground and vegetation, so that they now look like hills.

The inclination degree of all the three pyramids is 42/43¡ and there is a perfect alignment with the Orion constellation. There are a lot of similarities to the Egyptian pyramids.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Nielsb90

+1,000! People need to seperate religion and extremism... No religion is evil, but people sure do abuse it..

Extremism is only a problem if the fundementals of the faith are violent. If a religon is truely peaceful then the more "extreme" someone is for that faith the less we have to worry about you. For example Jainists are a religon that forbids taking any life even that of insects. The more extreme of a Jainist you are the less we have to worry about you. Needless to say Extreme Jainists don't fly planes into buildings. Extreme fundementalism is only a problem when the fundementals themselves are violent

[Mavrick]

I think I read another post in this thread I can't seem to find it. About if there were Alien life forms out there then they would be so far away they wouldn't be able to travel to Earth in their lifetime.

But I have to dssagree. We still don't understand the way physics work. There are still pieces to the puzzle that are missing. One being the Higgs Boson. Tey have almost exhausted the spectrums where the Higgs Boson could be and still haven't seen any sign of it.

And there was the discovery last week of a faster than light Neutrino. Now fair play to the scientists at CERN for not coming straight out and saying they have a discovery that completely changes the worls as we know it. But intead they have invited scientists around the world to try and find an error in their findings.

The team measured the travel times of neutrino bunches some 16,000 times, and have reached a level of statistical significance that in scientific circles would count as a formal discovery.

Even though they have enough consistant data they know how big a discovery this would be.

Now if we are still only just finding these things out, imagine all the stuff we have still yet to discover.

Is it really impossible for a more advanced race to have mastered faster than light travel? When we ourselves have only just discovered a faster than light particle?

The likely explanation is that the neutrinos are taking a short-cut through one of the extra dimensions which string theory postulates are hidden among the familiar four of length, breadth, height and time. Measured along this five-dimensional route, Einstein might still be right. (It would not so much be that he made a mistake as that he did not know the whole story.) Indeed, moving beyond four dimensions in this way would also allow physicists to try to integrate Einstein’s work with quantum theory, the other great breakthrough of 20th-century physics, but one which simply refuses to overlap with relativity. A unified theory of everything, including perhaps as many as 11 dimensions, would then beckon.

That is a lot to hang on a single, unconfirmed observation. But then, in 1887, no one could have foreseen the consequences of the Michelson-Morley experiment. If a glitch is found in CERN’s result, the whole thing will rapidly be swept under the carpet and forgotten. If there is no glitch, an astonishing future of understanding beckons.