(BOOK SPOILERS) Game of Thrones Series Discussion for Book Readers

[Hucksta G]

If book 6 comes out, next year I am pretty confident that the last book will be out before series' end.

[philzilla]

Originally Posted by Hucksta G

If book 6 comes out, next year I am pretty confident that the last book will be out before series' end.

It's not coming out next year, this is GRRM we're talking about

A Game of Thrones (1996)
A Clash of Kings (1998)
A Storm of Swords (2000)
A Feast for Crows (2005)
A Dance with Dragons (2011)

It's already 2013, two years after he published Dance and he has stated that he has approximately 400 manuscript pages complete of an estimated 1,500 pages, nearly half of which are left overs from Dance. I'll eat A Dance with Dragons if he finishes the next one by 2015, and gladly I might add.

The series has grown from a trilogy, to four, then six, now seven books. The fact that he only writes at his home and his always expanding convention schedule and the things he is interested in that is not ASOIAF (Dunk and Egg, Wild Cards anyone?), it seems unlikely that he will finish the series before the end of the show, not to mention he is old and fat. I'm personally more concerned that he won't finish the story at all, let alone finish before the series is over.

[Hucksta G]

Originally Posted by philzilla

It's not coming out next year, this is GRRM we're talking about

A Game of Thrones (1996)
A Clash of Kings (1998)
A Storm of Swords (2000)
A Feast for Crows (2005)
A Dance with Dragons (2011)

It's already 2013, two years after he published Dance and he has stated that he has approximately 400 manuscript pages complete of an estimated 1,500 pages, nearly half of which are left overs from Dance. I'll eat A Dance with Dragons if he finishes the next one by 2015, and gladly I might add.

The series has grown from a trilogy, to four, then six, now seven books. The fact that he only writes at his home and his always expanding convention schedule and the things he is interested in that is not ASOIAF (Dunk and Egg, Wild Cards anyone?), it seems unlikely that he will finish the series before the end of the show, not to mention he is old and fat. I'm personally more concerned that he won't finish the story at all, let alone finish before the series is over.

I did read that he said he has been writing faster with this one.

[philzilla]

Originally Posted by Hucksta G

I did read that he said he has been writing faster with this one.

Well he is currently at home as of today and he says he is writing so.....

[SpartanX]

Originally Posted by philzilla

It's not coming out next year, this is GRRM we're talking about

A Game of Thrones (1996)
A Clash of Kings (1998)
A Storm of Swords (2000)
A Feast for Crows (2005)
A Dance with Dragons (2011)

It's already 2013, two years after he published Dance and he has stated that he has approximately 400 manuscript pages complete of an estimated 1,500 pages, nearly half of which are left overs from Dance. I'll eat A Dance with Dragons if he finishes the next one by 2015, and gladly I might add.

The series has grown from a trilogy, to four, then six, now seven books. The fact that he only writes at his home and his always expanding convention schedule and the things he is interested in that is not ASOIAF (Dunk and Egg, Wild Cards anyone?), it seems unlikely that he will finish the series before the end of the show, not to mention he is old and fat. I'm personally more concerned that he won't finish the story at all, let alone finish before the series is over.

Hey at least he pumped out the first 3 books in 4 years. I think the reason AFFC and ADWD took so long is because GRRM encountered many problems while writing it. Like debating whether to do a time skip, etc.

Right now I'm hoping TWOW is coming in 2014 (maybe 2015).

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Interesting article....

http://social.entertainment.msn.com/...re-series-ends

Errr! I don't like that this was merged with this thread. This topic should be in a separate thread because it's not related to the story. I have never read the books, so I prefer not to visit threads such as these, especially when there are Spoiler warnings.

[kernel_thai]

OK, I havent read back to see if this came up but Im wondering if there has been a bit of a reverse spoiler here. Part of the book discussions always come around to Jeyne Westerling. Is she pregnant and did she somehow escape Riverrun with her younger sister filling in for her? As Jeyne wasnt in the show and Talisa definitely is dead, is this an indicator that Jeyne Westerling is just a red herring and her character has run her course in the books as well?

[philzilla]

Originally Posted by SpartanX

Hey at least he pumped out the first 3 books in 4 years. I think the reason AFFC and ADWD took so long is because GRRM encountered many problems while writing it. Like debating whether to do a time skip, etc.

Right now I'm hoping TWOW is coming in 2014 (maybe 2015).

Technically he didn't. He started writing the series in 1991, and because of the way he has constructed the series with the shifting POV he is able to write out of sequence and then stitch the books together into a cohesive narrative. He always has a good bit of completed chapters after he publishes a book. I believe this explains why he was able to complete the first three novels apparently in a rather expeditious manner. Of course who knows how much he actually had written in the 90s.

His writing difficulties (the five year jump) should have only impacted AFFC. The afterward in Feast he implied that Dance would follow the next year or he hoped it would. Clearly it didn't, in fact that was the longest gap we have had.

Here is his convention schedule for the rest of the year.

July 18-21, 2013
Comic Con International, San Diego, CA, USA
August 23-25, 2013
Bubonicon 45, Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
Aug. 29-Sept. 2, 2013
Lone Star Con 3, San Antonio, TX, USA
October 18-20, 2013
Guest of Honor at CapClave, Washington, D.C.
Nov. 9-10, 2013
Featured Guest at Supanova Festival, Brisbane, Australia
Nov. 16-17, 2013
Featured Guest at Supanova Festival, Adelaide, Australia

A lot of trips that he won't be writing ASOIAF. Throw in the other stuff he's committed to, new Wild Cards book, another Dunk and Egg story, Game of Thrones script, his editing gigs... oh and his love of football that always slows him down, yeah I often wonder if this series will ever get finished. After all he will be 64 years old in September. And to really crush my dreams he has stated before that he doesn't have any detailed notes for the series and instead "keeps it in his head". That's a real quote. No notes, it's in his head. Not very comforting from a fat old man.

I used to think that he was called by TIME Magazine (or whoever it was) "The American Tolkien" because of the depth and magic of his storytelling abilities. Now I think it is because he only manages to publish every twenty years or so. At least it seems like it.

[kernel_thai]

OK Read the whole thread.

Time frame- I see no way the show airs the conclusion before Martin publishes the book ... that's where he makes his money. What is possible is the show could run thru book six and then the conclusion could be revealed in a series of movies.

Next season should be great! After that things get dicey. The fourth and fifth books r an exercise in treading water. Tons of new characters slowly advancing the plot. Personally I think there is a ton of stuff they can cut completely or condense to make it manageable. Hopefully book six is about building to a crescendo. That's the way the series read for me. Book one as the setup, book two stirred the pot and book three paid it off. Four is almost a restart. If u consider four and five one book, it's like the first book in a second trilogy.

I dont care about Lady Stoneheart. I personally think it was an awful idea and was mostly a bridge to Jon Snow.

Flashbacks. One of things I did enjoy r historical flashbacks as retold to POV characters. Things like Promise me Ned, the Harenhal tourney and the battle of the Trident. Hopefully they start including these things as they have been very lax so far. After the third book most of my enjoyment has been from the mysteries of the series rather than the plodding story.

[Edword]

The thing with taking a break in production is mainly the child actors. They are all going to age rather quick if a year is taken off. Even the actor that currently plays Bran is looking older and like he's growing.

[MrHT]

Yeah, they really should have had some sort of plan when they started this show. Either Martin could commit to finishing the book in time or start the series later. But they obviously begun the series without considering that the books might not be finished in time. Not good. I guess worse comes to worse, they can end the series at the latest book and then finish off with a movie when the last book is finished.

[robertee]

I don't see the problem, D&D know where the story is going and (presumably) how it ends. Even if GRRM takes forever to release the last two books, they still have outlines to work from and can get more info from him as they go. For example, just before season 3 they met with GRRM to go over things:

David, Dan and I [Bryan Cogman] recently visited George at his home in Santa Fe for a few days to talk about GoT’s future and pick his brain about where all the storylines and characters are headed. We’re getting to the point now, as we map out future seasons, where that information is necessary. Mind you, George is still writing, so I imagine some of this stuff isn’t etched in stone, but he has a clear vision and he was kind enough to share.

http://winteriscoming.net/2013/04/as...-renlys-peach/

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Personally, I'm on board with them continuing on with the show past Martin's progress. I know that's not the ideal scenario for any of us, and most certainly not one Martin would be happy with. But he's had eons to pick up the pace, and I don't want the series held up. Who knows if he'll even finish, honestly. At least this way, we're sure to get an ending to this story, one way or another.

[mredman]

This scene has some pretty big forshadowing of LS someone just pointed me to

GoT 3x04 - Bran has another Green Dream - YouTube

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by mredman

This scene has some pretty big forshadowing of LS someone just pointed me to

GoT 3x04 - Bran has another Green Dream - YouTube

I know I shouldn't be feeding the fires of you're obsession with LS but I think this scene from the last episode has even more forshadowing:

Game of Thrones S03E10 - Bran tells the story of the Rat Cook - YouTube

The Rat Cook

The Freys violated the sacred laws of Guest Right, and Lady Stonheart is the gods retribution.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

LOL, I had a dream last night that the premiere episode of Season 4 was all the GoT actors spoofing HBO's other shows. I don't remember specifics, but Peter Dinklage was Nucky Thompson.

Looking forward to S4 news. Can't wait till we find out who plays the Red Viper!

I'm also looking forward to seeing how they handle Lady Stoneheart. I agree with those who say we'll probably hear about the Frey's getting knocked off throughout the season, and then they're reveal her ala ASOS epilogue.

[kernel_thai]

S4 should be excellent. My concerns start with S5 however. Nothing but a travel log and a ton of set up. There will be dragons tho.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

The actors playing Alliser Thorne, Janos Slynt, Lysa Arryn, and Rorge are returning next season!

http://winteriscoming.net/2013/06/ow...-for-season-4/

http://winteriscoming.net/2013/06/sl...return-for-s4/

[Javert]

Originally Posted by kernel_thai

S4 should be excellent. My concerns start with S5 however. Nothing but a travel log and a ton of set up. There will be dragons tho.

I think a lot of the slow parts in "Feast" will be cut. There's too much in Book 5 to cover, even when it will also be split across two seasons.

Book 5 Spoiler alert:
Actually, a scene I'm looking forward to from "Dance" is Barristan's fight with Hizdahr's bodyguard (Chapter: The Kingbreaker). It's when you finally see Barristan kick some real ass.

[kernel_thai]

Im looking forward to Dany and Drogon...that should be pretty awesome.